Topic: Legendary Manager roycilik and his scam bounties Smart World Global Token (SWGT) - page 2. (Read 885 times)

The team should be covering fees as well. There should be no cost from your pocket. They escrow the funds for the campaign including your fees and token fees and you lose 0.

No matter what solution we talk about in the thread I created about this subject, it won't be perfect. There does need to be some sort of security though and I just don't think every Tom, Dick, and Harry should be managing.

@yahoo62278, dear Manager,
It is normal that, not everyone can afford to escrow the bounty fund. Even Not team is going to give their fund anyone except some reputable managers. So it's okey if the bounty isn't escrow. It can be scammed later where I don't blame any manager or will cry as a hunter.

But what the f*** keep posting scam project for months after months, bringing 4-5 rounds with 1-2 months long campaign and keep promoting for 6-7 months without ensuring previous round payment?? Just because you received your fees & so support them with their crime? Is that seems fair to you???

@Igebotz thanks sir. That's what I'm trying to point out.

@icopress Thanks sir for supporting the truth. Bounty project can scam anytime where Managers might be innocent. I don't want them to tag with flag. I just want that,
Managers will have to refuse posting/promotion the bounty project more than 1-2 Rounds without clearing the previous round payment. TGE may need some time but not 6-7 months. Thus we hunters won't need to keep working harder months after months for rewards and won't waste our 6-7 months time for scam bounty project due to manager like roycilik irresponsibly. That's all

You're correct, but that wouldn't be easy to escrow the tokens

If the manager has to cover all token payments, then being a bounty manager should be rich, we know that bounty campaigns always allocate quite a lot of their tokens, let's say $50k in tokens. Of course, it would be crazy if you had to risk that much money just to get the weekly fee.

That's a good point
We can't do much with the bounty that has passed, in the future I would agree that there should be additional rules in the bounty section, if the rules have been added there should be no more cases like this, both bounty hunters and managers can take their own risks.

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In the end, I did not run away from the Bounty Campaign, I'm still responsible for pursuing the payment to the project marketing.

Opening a discussion on the subject and will invite some of the reputable managers and forum users to give their opinions. I don't want to make a declaration between just 2 or 3 people and start going ham on managers without having a discussion and input from a decent number of people. Opinions will vary, but I think overall everyone will agree that a change is needed.

My question is, why didn't you secure payment after the first two rounds before proceeding to the next rounds? If this isn't for your own self-interest, I'm not sure what is.

Prioritising your own service fees over hunters' rewards is enough to keep you from future management. Those disclaimer things are BS! It's merely a method to avoid accountability and get away with incompetence.

icopress made fair point, reputation CM needs to start cutting out the cheap, selfish managers on the bounty board and put them out of job.

The manager gets a fee for the work. Right? So why should users be left without payment if the project does not pay the funds? I do not think it is normal for the manager to say something like "Sorry guys, the project team has disappeared and you are all left without payments"

This irresponsible practice should not exist in its current form. This kind of disclaimer is a fiction that is aimed only at getting a fee and covering their ass (so that they can continue to receive fees).

We can go the other way and stop this right now. A temporary red tag warning that there is no guarantee you will get paid.. Users received payments? Great! The red tag is removed (and of course the tag remains if payments were not made). I am ready to start if you support me. A few tags like this are enough to make any manager think twice before taking a fee from a dubious project in the future.

It was a response to this statement of yours ;
My assumption is that you want DT members to red-tag him even before this scam accusation of yours. I guess that’s not possible since they might not have been aware of it, but by creating this thread, you’ve brought it to their attention. Now, they can evaluate the situation.

If a manager runs a bounty and has a disclaimer stating they do not have tokens escrowed and the team will distribute the tokens or whatever payment, then the project owner is 100% responsible. Might make sense to make the owner post in a bounty thread if that's the case and make sure they let people know the team is responsible for distribution.

The whole point is if nothing is escrowed and no manager accepts to run the bounty, then the team cannot scam unless they run their own bounty. If that's the case NO bounty hunters should join.

If you join a bounty that has nothing escrowed, no matter who the manager is, you take responsibility for your actions. Don't make a post here crying.

I expect you to sort out the payments as soon as possible.

I agree with this.

The project owner is not responsible to the campaign participants. The manager acts as a guarantor and the participants completely rely on his reputation and his word. Therefore, any costs that arise must be covered from the manager's own funds. Any new or old manager who tries to take on the responsibility of management without taking responsibility for payments should not manage campaigns. We have a lot of pseudo-managers here who try to pass off shit as candy .. I will probably go first and as soon as I have a little more time I will start taking measures.

It's a never-ending loop as far as bounties go. Managers with a brain can and likely decline a job offer if it looks/is a scam, but companies just find someone else that's willing. The someone else that is willing is normally some dude using a newbie account that they can easily abandon if a scam or other issue happens. Meanwhile, the bounty hunters join the bounty no matter who the manager is because the work takes seconds in most cases and they decide to gamble. When the gamble doesn't work out, then we see a thread like this 1.

Who is at fault? Every single person from the top to the bottom. What will fix it?
1. No more newbie managers period!!! Escrowing something to hold teams accountable. I get it, not all teams are willing to escrow something, and I know managers are eager to start earning something. If a company won't escrow some funds, don't take the job!!! If the bounty is managed by a newbie, DON'T join.
2. If nothing is escrowed, DON'T join!!! Being a manager should be an earned position IMO. Not just anyone should be able to start trying to manage a campaign. Build a reputation and then start trying to do some extra tasks. Even though this particular manager isn't a newbie, he still should have passed on the job or got funds escrowed.

Bounty hunters need to have some pride or brains. Don't just take your chances and gamble joining every bounty and pray you get paid.

I'm not perfect and have been burned a few times by teams. Just gotta learn from past mistakes and not let the same shit happen over and over.

this is the point I'm looking for. Very Valueable lines. Actually any Project can turns into scam. Hunters and managers have nothing to do with it. So for you or other managers like roycilik.
 But it's very redicuous when a Reputable DT2 Manager Bringing a project and Keep promoting that For 6months like SWGT, bringing rounds after Rounds Without confirming previous round payment. But Keep promoting the project due to he is getting his service fee, that's wrong in my opinion. A manager should be sincere, should think about Hunters as well as investors instead of promoting scam projects months after months for money without checking or remain silent after knowing the truth, that's bad. That's the point



Wah then you are legally right. According to your statements, Now managers can freely taking fees by promoting any kind Scam project ever months after months. Just need to Put such Disclaimer to hide their ass. That's all. Really appreciate this scamming idea

You expect nothing? Then why even bother posting here?  

Give an example, or you are just an annoying lying chap.

Hey, I looked through the different thread but saw no such update. if there's something going on, then I think it would have been better if the participants knew. You should have posted such screenshots in those 4 threads.

Secondly, If I were you, I would have opened a scam accusation against those chaps after the deadline passed to protect the advertising brand.

Thirdly, What is the point of not arranging to escrow tokens that are to be distributed to the bounty participants regardless of the outcomes? I mean, they are not yet worth any value anyway. If they don't trust the work of the campaign Manager, then they should do all the work themselves instead of wasting people's time.

I endorse this now and will be doing it going forward.

There's so much uncertainty when the team has made no commitment and there's no guarantee they would, so the manager and the bounty participants bear all of the risk.

Escrowing a fraction of the bounty valuation will be a good step to attract trust.

Reminds me of a bounty I ran awhile back where the team was supposed to pay after the TGE but severed all connection with me a month before the TGE. Might be the same team running the same scam. All the bounty hunters were never made whole.

Honestly, if a team approaches you with this sort of proposal and says they'll pay after the TGE, ALL managers should refuse the job. ALL bounty hunters should not participate either. Make the team escrow a large amount of money if they want to run a bounty, then take the chance.

Oh WOW
@holydarkness, thanks for noticing me

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Guess who this guy is? Without telling your real account, I can already guess it, if you ask when the bounty payment will be, I have answered many times in the telegram, that they haven't given any certainty, If you ask in their Telegram group, the regular admins won't know, I deal with the marketing team, not the admin.

If I haven't received an update about the payment yet, should I be required to buy the token and distribute to you? Give me your account that joined the campaign, and I'll check how many tokens you got, and I will pay you,
If it's just to pay for one account, I think I can still afford it, but it's difficult if you have more than one

Here is my conversation with the marketing team,
I'm still trying to get the bounty payment, but unfortunately, they are still silent until now.






Do with your own risk

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I am summoned and at the forum's service.


The exact question that crossed my mind when I read this thread, the four threads being referenced, as well as all 50 messages with "bounty" keyword on SWGT TG channel.

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Exposer one, is there any claim that the BM already secured the payment? Be it escrowed or in his own wallet? I can't find any of this statement anywhere. Nor can I find the bounty channel by Roycilik. Is there any? Kindly point me out to the channel if there is one, I might be able to learn and get answers on one or two things that I currently have in my mind.

From the very lack supporting information that I can gather so far, though, there is a chance that roycilik, as the BM himself, has not secured the payment and was promised that the payment will be done by SWGT team. And, regarding the answer to ask for questions regarding payment to "bitcointalk management" I well noticed that these answers are given by people labelled "chat volunteer", which I assume means they're not part of the team and quite likely are clueless of what transpires between roycilik and the marketing team, as well as whatever marketing strategy they've deployed.

And, has roycilik been notified about this thread? Granted, his name is being mentioned several times and there is a chance that he uses TG bot notifier [which long time member doesn't these days?], but there is also a chance that he's oblivious about this thread discussing him [hey, maybe he's one that didn't know the tg notif bot exist].

It'll only be fair to ensure that the counterparty of a situation to be notified and invited to give their side. I'll nudge him through PM as I see that he's currently online.

This is the normal reply of team member that doesn’t have clear overview about the topic. He probably knew that someone is handling the campaign that’s why he keeps pointing finger but there’s always a specific team member who is in touch with the bounty manager which is exclusive for both of them.

Probably the admin that released that statement doesn’t knew that funds is not being held by the campaign manager or they are pointing fingers now to avoid payment responsibility.

That's fine but my argument still stands, when he talks about a manager with reputation he is referring to one with green tags, regardless his DT status.

Would like to share a opinion what Jawhead999 wrote me earlier in this thread.

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why you making this complex instead of focusing main points? I dont wanna make shit posting about this. So i edit the comment. In Bitcointalk, red trust and green trust do matter. So most of people here will trust a person who have green tags instead of him who doesn't have any. And  people will trust more if a person belongs to DT1 of DT2 instead of him who even have many green trusts. This is my opinion. It may wrong but whatever? Focus on main part

You are confused on this. If people trust someone to work with them it is usually because of the green tags, which have nothing to do with the DT status, and which is also difficult to check if you are a newbie, but green tags can be seen right away.

Apart from this, what do you mean "fruad"?