Topic: Let us define constructive posts (wrt DaDice signature campaign) - page 2. (Read 2898 times)

You're not wrong in saying Hindi is the most spoken language in India.

But most internet users in India are well versed in English and they use English as the main communication language on internet, regardless of their native tongue (unlike China, where most users use Chinese). Hindi is a pain in the butt to type on keyboard, too.

And especially the ones interested in Bitcoins - and part of this forum - come from well educated background and English is their main communication language on internet.

I'm not saying this to include the India forum in post count; if other local boards are excluded, India should be excluded too. I just wanted everyone to know the facts about Hindi and English in India when it comes to internet.

Why? Hindi is only the language spoken by the majority.

Rank   Language   2001 census[3]
(total population 1,028,610,328 )   1991 census[4]
(total population 838,583,988)   Encarta 2007 estimate[5]
(worldwide speakers)
Speakers   Percentage   Speakers   Percentage   Speakers
1   Hindi languages[6]   422,048,642   41.03%   329,518,087   39.29%   366 M
2   Bengali   83,369,769   8.11%   69,595,738   8.30%   207 M
3   Telugu   74,002,856   7.19%   66,017,615   7.87%   69.7 M
4   Marathi   71,936,894   6.99%   62,481,681   7.45%   68.0 M
5   Tamil   60,793,814   5.91%   53,006,368   6.32%   66.0 M
6   Urdu   51,536,111   5.01%   43,406,932   5.18%   60.3 M
7   Gujarati   46,091,617   4.48%   40,673,814   4.85%   46.1 M
8   Kannada   37,924,011   3.69%   32,753,676   3.91%   35.3 M
9   Malayalam   33,066,392   3.21%   30,377,176   3.62%   35.7 M
10   Oriya   33,017,446   3.21%   28,061,313   3.35%   32.3 M
11   Punjabi   29,102,477   2.83%   23,378,744   2.79%   57.1 M
12   Assamese   13,168,484   1.28%   13,079,696   1.56%   15.4 M
13   Maithili   12,179,122   1.18%   7,766,921   0.926%   24.2 M

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers_in_India

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LOL! The main reason Hindi is considered to be our local language because of the Bollywood (Hindi Film Industry) and so Indian TV serials are also in Hindi langauges. "Hindi is the most widespread language of India" as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India

Okay, in a way what you said is right. But it is not practicable for us to go through each thread a user posted. Last week, we paid out 1300+ posts, lol, (that is just constructive ones). It is near impossible to do so.

Yes, signature is visible to all. But, if the user spams a lot, the user as well as the campaign looses credibility. Most importantly, it is our duty to keep the forum clean, useful, and constructive

They are included already. (bolded ones)

Thank you

No, we don't consider one-liners as non-constructive. There seems to be a misunderstanding about this. It just happens that some of them had their entire posts just one sentence. (They got banned later). You can see we have counted one-liner posts if it provides something constructive to the topic.
Similarly, we don't consider a post constructive if it says simply 'Congrats on winning this', by just copying the above post probably.





Why? Hindi is only the language spoken by the majority.

Rank   Language   2001 census[3]
(total population 1,028,610,328 )   1991 census[4]
(total population 838,583,988)   Encarta 2007 estimate[5]
(worldwide speakers)
Speakers   Percentage   Speakers   Percentage   Speakers
1   Hindi languages[6]   422,048,642   41.03%   329,518,087   39.29%   366 M
2   Bengali   83,369,769   8.11%   69,595,738   8.30%   207 M
3   Telugu   74,002,856   7.19%   66,017,615   7.87%   69.7 M
4   Marathi   71,936,894   6.99%   62,481,681   7.45%   68.0 M
5   Tamil   60,793,814   5.91%   53,006,368   6.32%   66.0 M
6   Urdu   51,536,111   5.01%   43,406,932   5.18%   60.3 M
7   Gujarati   46,091,617   4.48%   40,673,814   4.85%   46.1 M
8   Kannada   37,924,011   3.69%   32,753,676   3.91%   35.3 M
9   Malayalam   33,066,392   3.21%   30,377,176   3.62%   35.7 M
10   Oriya   33,017,446   3.21%   28,061,313   3.35%   32.3 M
11   Punjabi   29,102,477   2.83%   23,378,744   2.79%   57.1 M
12   Assamese   13,168,484   1.28%   13,079,696   1.56%   15.4 M
13   Maithili   12,179,122   1.18%   7,766,921   0.926%   24.2 M

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers_in_India





Yeah, this is the reason why we decided to exclude the local board (India)






I just included that since I saw two posters who posted almost 100% of their posts there If I made just a few posts there, it will be included as usual in full. But we don't want too many posts there, since the active members of that particular boards are not very likely to be interested in playing dice

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10772479

This post, in itself is short. Someone claims that LTCGear (who's not paying out, for who's not up to speed, already since end of december) is selling again after a week of downtime. The site finally shows content again, changes have been made, hopefully in 18 hours it'll be possible to see payable amounts, I'm very close to switching from "still waiting" to "losing patience" but unlike others I'm not on the full retard OMGITSASCAM stance. Yet. That said, this specific thread explodes once several people start throwing around FUD. So although it's a short post, without much big news/insight in it, it's valuable to the thread as people won't start swearing/ranting since the claim "OMG OMG OMG HE'S SELLING AGAIN, HE'S A PONZI" is debunked with my post.

It's valuable to the thread, people who only read the thread will see this as balanced and relevant to the thread.

Another thing you shouldn't forgot though is that if you have a Sr member showing your signature, this signature is visible on -ALL- the posts of that member. In my case for example that's 861 links to you website throughout the whole forum. Anyone looking for information on the 5 chip Gridseeds will probably hit a few of my posts, I've been active in the Minera thread, I've talked a lot about group buys, any of those will show your signature. So besides the content of the current posts, you're advertising in a lot more places. I do see that stuff like off-topic and ponzi is easy to throw out, but for example altcoin or general bitcoin discussion, I do see as possible valuable.

Then again, +1, smileys and such are logic to be "unpaid", they don't add anything to the thread.

No, it is not excluded. And hopefully it won't be never banned but you can read something like that in Rules of DaDice's campaign:

"Too many posts in Politics and Society, Press or related boards is not preferable."

Say if I hypothetically posted 100 posts during the week how many of these posts I can write in News or Politics? 10%, 20%, 30%? It is a thin line here.

Is Bitcoins discussion section excluded? If so then I probably have made 0 posts till now 

It is funny how in one week you exclude one section of the forum and then another section in next week. I have no problem with Off-topic section or games and rounds, and Ponzi section that is actually beneficial for everyone. But cutting off Politics and Society is weird, and now you don't even us to post in Bitcoin's News section? I never seen any campaign doing that. And I like, from time to time, post my comments about latest news from bitcoin's world...

The fact is that Indian users should usually talk in Hindi (local language) in the Local boards section but they talk only in English for everyone to understand it. If that's the case in other Local sections where users make posts in English, it would be more relevant for the admin also to add that section.

You are probably right.
But for a moderator whose native language is English, it is easy to eveluate quality of posts in English boards opposite to other local languages.

But it is a call that ndnhc needs to take after all.

Would it not be unfair to the other ethnic group and users of different language than english? It will make users from India more privileged than rest of us.
I wouldn't be able to write in my local board but Indian users will? I only post in english so I don't have problem with that but others may think that it is unfair.

I would like to suggest any local boards should be INCLUDED as fas as the language is English.

For example you'll see some quality discussion going on in Indian forum which is all in English and appeals global audience.

indeed short post can be constructive, i believe ndnhc wont be excluding your post just because only it is a one liner post

example of non constructive oneliner according to me is this

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10760136

how I see this being non constructive

because either that post is in the topic or not in the topic, it doesnt contribute anything

I think that short sentences can be brilliant and genius sometimes. Lets not judge posts by their length. After all some of the best quotes in history are just 'one liners'.

Example, quote by Satoshi Nakamoto from Feb. 14, 2010:

"I’m sure that in 20 years there will either be very large (bitcoin) transaction volume or no volume."

By your standard ndnhc would you consider this post a spam and useless if it was post written by one of the users enrolled in DaDice campaign?

I have already complained about this last week and I will again because I've seen a comment that it's bad to write "one liners". What is a one liner? I have a big screen and can fit over 35 words in a single line, so most of my posts are one liners. Short posts can be constructive, so either you as the manager will read every single post and decide if it is relevant to the topic, or just choose the easy way and pick a minimum number of characters or words (like Bitmixer does) and we'll try to comply.

Yeah I must say that ndnhc has taken the correct step here. People should not merely post for their post count and pay rate to be increased but should gain information and share their information on this forum. This way the forum also would benefit and the campaigns too 

that is what I said, the meaning of constructive post can be different to each one another, since there is no actual definition of it , one person opinion about a post could be different, he could be thinking his post was constructive enough while the others dont see it to be constructive

Ndnhc, thanks for starting this discussion. It concerns me that a lot of very senior people on this forum feel the quality of the forum has declined due to the ad campaign posters. Additionally, I'm thrilled that ad campaigns exist so I (and others) can participate in the bitcoin community without having the money to buy bitcoin but through service, work. It's important for us as ad campaign participants to take responsibility for our work, presence, and impact with the forum. We can make change to improve ad campaigns or we can ignore change and watch ad campaigns get abolished.

Thanks to Ndnhc for taking a lead on fixing the issues and tension, particularly since he/she leads/admins a major ad campaign.

That is really a great explanation, lol
Thanks That is what exactly we are looking for..



Comparison:
shulio  #20, 19, 17, 16, 15, 12, 4 and 3
Harry Hood  #2, 4, 5, 9, 15, 18, and 20

lol, he made a few posts today. Now pretty confusing to know. (I will check the time of the post to get the real data)


Cheers
ndnhc

From these i'd exclude #2, 4, 5, 9, 15, 18, and 20. (I know you ask for the count that are constructive, but the first person to respond to this above listed in terms of exclusions. I'll do the same for comparisons sake.)

Great discussion idea, this is what we need. There's been a lot of discussion among the Admin, Moderator, Staff folks but not much from the community of ad campaign participants. If we discuss it and understand what we as a community deem constructive (vs. not) I think we'll all be able to improve the posts and reduce the tension.

For me, a constructive post needs to:

1) Push the discussion further. This could be through offering additional insight or facts or by asking relevant questions that haven't been asked yet. (E.g., even easy questions to ask but appropriate for the discussion are constructive b/c there are a lot of newer forum members here, they have a right to learn (as much as we did when we were new))

2) Come across positively, attitude comes into play, being argumentative doesn't help any discussion (be it at the bar or over coffee or on this forum) so a positive, friendly attitude is also important to making the post constructive.

3) Not repeat what people who posted earlier have said, a lot of posters poach an easy newbie question to answer so they just reply quick without reading through to see if the question has been answered, this is a key indicator of post count boosting rather than reading and contributing to a thread.

I look forward to reading this discussion and I'd also welcome any feedback on my recent posts!