Topic: Let's take action against unpaid Signature/Bounty campaign together. (Read 493 times)

This will only really work if people actually stop signing up to unescrowed, shady campaigns.

Trying to report unpaid campaigns ex-post seems barely like a solution - people are still going to sign up to new ones that scam them in the future.

Unfortunately, there is just an oversupply of people who are willing to be exploited due to the massive surplus of high ranking accounts compared to the amount of good paying, legitimate signature campaigns. Participation in dodgy ones become unavoidable.

good advice ...!!!
but here ...
i suppose everyone is careful to look for a bounty project that we follow with some considerations so that we don't fall into nasty shit
and then; what attitude can we do with them we can't track them with their fox style, whereas bounty hunters more often corner bounty managers for a sticky shit.

Dude, this is the Internet, don't expect fast response when it comes to scams, as if this people are going to move their asses if they aren't affected by the scam, also if the campaigns are a scam, it will be difficult to stop them since they control everything.

Many senior members and bounty managers are already supporting bounty hunter's cause when it comes to nonpayment, bounty hunters should just post bounty campaign that did not or refuse to pay bounty hunters in the scam section, create a flag and ask DT's or senior members to tag or mark managers and developers of the project, refusing to pay bounty hunters can be considered a scam and should warn potential investors.

Doing Bounties is indeed risky, even though some users intend to make research about the project before getting involved they still get shit out of these type of projects,
don't know why would people trust so much on alts especially if the said project doesn't have any unique features to be compared to other existing ones,...
as this is more likely to be a copy by a certain scammer...
Example: https://sovrynapp.co/

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Anyways I doubt anyone can do anything about it (unpaid services) after the said project goes down.
that's why I highly recommend receiving an upfront payment or testing it for a week without putting much effort on it (I did this to all of my past clients on Telegram)

I've learned my lesson so hard, dude. It's really frustrating and painful to know that all of our efforts have been useless. I think only spammers and bots who don't care about been scammed or unpaid or whatever the name. The struggle to demand our rights is frustrating and tiring. People might blame us for choosing the wrong project with shitty team members and projects but what If the looked proper one who did it? we really need appropriate media for bounty hunters to channel this disappointment and starting to unite to keep each other.

Sincerely speaking the only support you guys need now is to quit promoting these scam projects around the crypto-world. They have seen and understand the ways tons of thousands need the virtual money to sustain but yet not paid out becasue of their greed's, it's better to stop promote these projects to get back the lost glory. I started from Bounty and never had a good pay which made me consider working on myself for the technology. Never you agreed to work for a project that never want to pay participant in stablecoin, no, not again and problem solve.

To identify scam, you must be able to prove it by providing accurate evidence about the manager, the project and other detail. I don't think you need to invite all bounty participant to support you here because if you can prove it with valid evidence then the DT member will act. Sometime tagging the scam manager and team will not solve the participant's problem, it is better if the bounty participant must campaign for an anti-project in my opinion.

I see. You got your own belief in dont participate at all. Id like your suggestion of an escrow but unfortunately we don't have that kind of people except on those people I knew in the altcoin section doing an assurance for the hunters such as BubbleAlex and Julerz12 these are great managers. But we can't bet that there will always guys like them to guarantee that.

Pretty much I agree on this escrow thing, but sadly most bounty managers won't care as long as they get paid.  I think the blame should be pointed on the bounty managers that are unable to secure the payment for their participants, after all, they are the one who manages and gets paid for the said campaign, except of course for certain special cases such as the manager himself got scammed by the project owner but still, that is debatable.



True but I believe, no one is forced to join a campaign that pays a worthless token and bounty hunters feel good as long as they get paid no matter how worthless the token is so I think it is fine as long as both parties agree.

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Aside from DT tagging the scammer, I think there is nothing else we can do if a project scammed their participants unless a participant is willing to file a criminal case against these scammers. But I am sure it will cost a lot of resources so better to move on and learn from these experiences.

I said an escrow should be used to hold the worthless coins at least those bounty hunters would get the shitty tokens in their wallets that's all they care about. But the best way to be careful is not to participate at all.

They preferred not to use a reputable bounty managers, there are several bounty managers out there who collect payment in BTC but yet accept to pay worthless tokens to the hunters, they are well bribed to promote their scam projects

That might be the proper way but unfortunately as long as there are bounty participants jumping at the chance to promote these types of useless coins and tokens, more and more will start creating more and more of them.

At least with a reputable bounty manager receiving BTC in advance and then handling a campaign is the way to do it rather than the company owning and controlling everything including bounty payouts.

If I am not mistaken, the scam is not moderated by the forum. Usually, scammers will be denounced and tagged in this forum. But there's no way to force them to pay you. But once a project is scam, its coins won't have any value, so, what do you need them to pay for 

I have met many such projects. But you shouldn't complain. Basically, when you decide to promote a new project, an anonymous project. Meaning you accepted that you could make a lot of money or nothing at all. It's like playing the lottery, if you choose the right number, you win, you choose the wrong number, there's nothing to be sad. My words are not to encourage the deception of those projects, but it is really something, which you must accept once you join.

A lot of people on this forum are willing to help with denunciations and pressure them to make payments. But there is nothing to be sure. You cannot get everyone together against a lottery.

This is the thing. How would they will knew if the campaign isn't gonna pay from the start. Stablecoins are good payment even with bitcoin, but I'm telling you some altcoins in the past campaigns gives so much fortune to participants. Only problem here is the clarity of payment nowadays. What you said was happening but its not for every campaign out there especially if its handle by reputable managers like Hhampuz or others known managers.

There will be always a proper way for this in my opinion and its up to the participants as well how they pick a project they will promote to avoid waste of time in certain projects.

The proper way to fight a non-payment bounty campaign is to stop promoting those worthless token on the internet, even if the total pool token is escrowed the company owner can decide to burn the old tokens and create a new one, making the one with campaign manager worthless and useless. If they can't pay you in stable coin then don't work for them.

Were you actually a victim yourself? If "yes" could give the backstory?

Working together will not stop anyone to cheat and nobody forces you to join any bounty campaign and you need to do your own research before joining any of them and look if there is some trusted escrow for funds.
Reputable managers like Hhampuz are always respecting both participants and project owners and I have no complains on them.

How many times I tagged scam project, and bounty hunters kept joining bounty campaign, and then they come few months later crying how they have been scammed, while creator of the bounty was tagged and flagged. No DT member can help you really, in the end its always up to bounty hunters. DYOR and start valuing your own time.


Exactly this. Even if you join bounty campaign with reputable manager, chances of you ending up with nothing of almost nothing are pretty big. Projects can fail to raise enough funds, value of tokens might drastically go down, token distribution can be delayed etc. So many things can go wrong in those few months since you start the campaign and until distribution. It really baffles me that there are so many people who are ready to do that. But then again, majority of work done by bounty hunters is pure garbage with zero reach,  so it really surprises me that altcoin bounty campaigns even exist.

Regarding escrow, I don't think that altcoin projects will ever accept that, at least not majority of them. Even if reputable bounty manager refuses to host such bounty campaign, they will always find someone who will accept anything just to get that job.

Quite a ridiculous idea. You know why? Then read this thread BQT & IOU have committed a scam with bounty participants. Now let me know how many bounty hunters replied there and how many participants were in their campaign? You can see a few reputed users fight there to distribute bounty rewards, but unfortunately, very few original participants were active there. If a project turned into a scam means there is also the responsibility of hunters. Because hunters spread the word and most probably a few investors inspire due to hunters promotion. Who will take this responsibility?

I have noticed there are so many participants even a bounty launched by newbies who don't have the basic knowledge. Hunters don't care if managers are a newbie or reputed. So, how will you prevent such scams? The only way to avoid campaign those is suspicious and handle by non reputed managers. Better is the project escrow funds, but I don't believe it will happen since there is a large number of funds and escrow token is just a useless idea. There is no value to ERC20 or similar tokens until they got listed into a reputed exchange. I prefer reputed managers because at least they have the basic knowledge to assume if the platform is a legit or potential scam, but not guaranteed to. So at least choose a reputed manager to reduce such scams.

As long as there are bounty hunters that willing to take a risk and to receive a fancy token from the bounty project, this cycle will not stop.  So my point is, stop joining bounty projects running by newly created accounts and not by reputed managers.  Because they are most likely going to scam even they had complete documents like whitepaper and roadmap, high potential to be scam will be occurred in the future.

Joining a bounty campaign is always has a risk and here my rate on the risk upon joining.

• Joining with a newbie manager is about 75% risk
• Joining with an old bounty manager that has a red tag on profile is about 50%
• Joining with a reputable manager is about 30%

So, it means even though they are reputable managers as long as the project isn't listed yet, there's a potential that the project becomes a scam at the end and the member got nothing or being unpaid, and even them, there's nothing they can do once the project turns out to scam.  They are also a victim.

The reason I stopped being a bounty hunter a long time ago because it seems you're gambling your effort to them for how many months, but if you got lucky, truly reward will come to you.