Topic: Let's talk Texas Holdem poker hands and how to play like a PRO? - page 2. (Read 713 times)

He already has 4 diamonds so why not wait for the other card after all he had already bet so much. The bluff seems to have worked. It must be very disappointing for the player who has the KK33 that 2 diamonds came. The thing with Texas Poker is that this is a winner take all game.

In my opinion, the guy with two queens on hand and when thea flop is shown, that person is now risking his chips that he might have flush and he did since the flop have 3 diamonds card already plus his Q of diamond which all he need is one more diamond card and he'll get flash of diamonds. I sometimes risk like that when playing poker. The guy with QQ cards still have a chance of winning over your card even if it's not a flush but don't know the chances of winning and If the river is also K then he will also get two pair which is higher than yours QQKK.

you assume everyone always has the nuts just because you don't have a read on their playing style?


i did stick to my own ranges: QQ is a premium hand and it was a favorable flop. in my experience, AA was just one of many possibilities---most of which QQ beats.

even against your super strong preflop TAG range (AA, KK, AK, AQ) QQ is a favorite to win against 50% of hands on that flop. so why would you put in 30% of your stack preflop, then fold? why call preflop at all---just for the 12% chance at set mining?


with only a few hands played together, it's impossible to know, so you have to assume he could be any of those player types. right? it seems EV- to assume he is super tight and has AA/KK 100% of the time.

Ok, the pre-flop betting I understood correctly, only I thought that you were first all-in post-flop.

In my opinion, all in is a bad decision here, but still, I will bet big also because if there is a draw, then it would be very costly to see the turn and impossible to slow play this hand further, of course, it indicates that the next bet will be all in, taking into consideration chips amount on the table.


I agree with you and exactly because there were no readings on Villian you should assume that he is playing correctly this hand, of course, after few hands you can adjust that.
This is not that I think in such situation about each player that he is a tight-aggressive reg, of course not, but with no readings at all, it is better to stick to your own poker play and ranges because it is easy to predict what he could have. There is no room for doubts and guessing in poker   .

As we can see, Villain turned out to have a strong hand and I have to tell you that many regular players like to play these types of hands OP, exactly as he did. Why?

Because there is a big chance that many players will pay at least BB to see the flop, taking into consideration no bet from Villian. The best scenario, I like to see in such situations is that everybody at least bets and I dream to see a raise, to be able to make a huge pot and then scare off weaker hands with my big bet in the end. If Villian would raise in this situation, there is almost no chance that players with weaker hands OOP will pay to see the flop.


I suggested only looking into ranges, not to search online on how to play them   , because it all depends from individual players and how they play poker. Is this a tight or loose-aggressive player or maybe a calling station, fish, maniac, reg? All these players will play different hands ranges from different positions, and that is why I like to assume with no readings the most common hand ranges provided in poker books, especially on low stakes tables or in the early stage of tournaments (when I know nothing about the opponents).


Of course and I never said that Hero should fold in this situation, I will be checking this 3 bet also.

What I said was that all in was a mistake post-flop and to assume without readings that Villain plays looser ranges.

fair point, but not having any history on villain, i dunno if i should assume that range. plenty of players like to 3bet more aggressively than that.

even with that limited range, AK/AQ obviously missed the flop, which was burning in my mind when he jammed. it screamed "missed flop, overcards" to me.


ah, you have it reversed. i raised first preflop, he limp-3bet me OOP, then he went all-in on the flop. so now maybe you have some insight into my mindset, and why i thought there was a good chance he missed the flop and was trying to bluff me off it, or had an underpair.

i did contemplate a fold, but tbh i figured JJ+/AQ+/KQ/88/77/JT+ were in his range, also possibly suited connectors with gutshot/flush draw there too, also bluffs. (i've seen lagtards pull this move with 48o on me)

i don't think he's shoving TT/99 here most of the time. the more i think about, the more EV+ calling seems tbh. calling was a gamble but mainly just because of the pot size relative to blinds.


hmmm....

https://upswingpoker.com/texas-holdem-starting-hands-guide/

I disagree. The villain really just got lucky that figmentofmyass was dealt a QQ. We've discussed these spots before and after the limp-raise you are still pretty much flipping; sure maybe it's KK AA but it could be AK, JJ
So in that regard you can get away but if you fold out every time someone limp raises or 3-bets you with QQ you will lose a lot of value.
I think the villain played it terrible to be honest. Imagine only getting a call and not a raise from the hero. What do you do then, with this flop you again have to hope they hit a T or have an overpair. Long term it isn't a viable strategy unless it's done at a very low frequency. My AA looks the same as any other RFI I make, sometimes people fold around but when they don't I'm coming for them and not just when it's a cooler.

Just to note Hero called the all-in with an overpair to the board. It was the villain who jammed the flop.

I think it was possible to get away from this hand, that is why I like to hold myself to certain ranges of hands when I play OP/OOP or against somebody OP/OOP.

In my opinion, all in was a mistake here, you should check or bet (but not much), especially OOP. Villian re-raised pre-flop and it shows a lot of strength, which indicates hand like (AA, KK, AKs, AQs).

Additionally, when you go all in it shows to Villain that you have almost nothing, taking into consideration the flop and pre-flop betting, even with a flush draw you would likely to be slow-playing this hand. If you got the nuts post-flop, you would never go all in, only value bet to not scare off the opponent.

The Villain played this AA hand very clever, he hasn't raised, to not scare anybody, only checked and waited for weaker hands (OOP) to make the pot, to punish them later.

My suggestion: look into poker hands ranges, which hand you should play from which position, especially in 9-handed Texas Holdem, I play only 6 hands tables.

If you are not going with ALL-IN in such a situation, I thunk you will never get a big hand at all. I have been playing poker for a long time. Have never had profit but I can say that if I had a big amount on my hand, I would still not change my decision.

None can save you if it's not your day, specially if it's poker or three cards game. I strongly believe anyone would go ALL-IN with a full house of AAAKK and guess what, there's four of a kind of KKKK which can ruin your party. Now if you don't go ALL-IN with the full house, I will take you as a very newbie.

Perhaps, before you go all in, you need to make sure that you somehow have a good feeling of understanding the cards or basically memorizing the entire deck to lessen the probability of losing. I have known some people provided some advice on how we could win on poker, here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHK1OjglQDs

It's Maria Ho, considered one of the best poker player, well with that impressive performance, she's probably memorized the entire deck of cards.

here's a cooler from earlier today, midway into a MTT:


was it possible to get away from this hand? could you have folded that flop? his limp-3bet suggested maybe he had a monster but i know this player to lean towards the aggressive side and assumed a wider range than just KK/AA.

i think this was just bad luck being dealt a cooler, but......thoughts?

That is the beauty of Poker.You should not assume and go all in before seeing all the cards or bad things will happen just like losing all of your balance in a short term.I hope you will recover and be more patient in the upcoming games.

I think this kind of topic is somewhat helpful but it does not replace video tutorials by any mean so if you are looking to improve your poker skills go and download or watch some lengthy video tutorials.

From yesterday's final Champions tournament I can't forget about this Hand:


Any thoughts about this play?

In playing Poker, your actions should not reflect on your cards instead you should know how to practice having no reactions or a poker face. There's a possibility that you can increase the risk of you losing just by making some facial expression. There are players or opponents that can read facial expression and can perform a bluff depending on your cards once he read it.

In your case, you're just not that lucky enough and you opponent is the real lucky in the hands. In that situation, I will just stop gambling and continue it on the next day because that day might be not for you. You have a very good hand but his hand is much better than yours that's why you've lost it.

If I have that kind of cards then I would be confident too. A 2 pair is just a beautiful card in gambling but the only mistake that you've made is that you don't consider any hint that maybe have a diamond card that can create a flushes. I think that's the only thing you lack of, consideration of the cards in the middle.

Come on, I would have FOLD if I had to go through the flop and turn before ALL-IN. The other guy had ALL-IN with his AK in his first turn, it was before the flop. Since no flop is there, I followed him too and has gone ALL-IN, damn the card cheated with me 

and that's when you isolate one opponent. lots of people limp or min-raise preflop with AA and end up in family pots, then they have trouble laying them down.

i'm beginning to see a lot of upside in playing with a LAG (rather than TAG) style. you can get really aggressive with monsters like AA/KK and still often get someone to call you down light. 6max is a whole different animal than 9max though.

The problem with AA is: In your mind you expect to win that hand 100% In reality you have around 80% against any hand, so you will win 4/5 hands on average. When you get dealt AA, this is a must-win hand in your mind and that puts some pressure on yourself to get everything right. If you win that hand, all good, you played it "perfectly". If you lose that hand, you feel like a complete failure. Mentally this can be really tough, because you can only lose with AA, there is nothing to win in that regard.

I even tend to overbet AA, because I don't want to go into that mental downwards spirale (read:tilt) by losing with AA. Not going on tilt sometimes is worth more than winning X additional chips with a hand. I know that this is not the correct/value approach, but I am no pro and in Poker I don't thrive for perfection.

Another issue with AA is the devilish selective perception

These are shitty spots and something you will run into. What sort of betsizing did you use on the Flop and Turn?? Considering it wasn't all in pre-flop you might have been able to fold them off their AK with larger bets... some people just don't fold and it AA can't always win.

For me AA this past week has been shit. I am 1 for 7, and that 1 was just because it folded around pre.(77, QQ, T6s to name a few of the monsters that beat me) This morning with Coffee I sat down at SWC and would up just playing a heads-up match. They weren't very difficult an oponnent so I was raking in Blinds fairly well , and get a little value here and there. Then It comes AA so I RFI 2.5 BB, They then 3-bet me to 8BB, I make it 22BB and they Jam. I quickly call

I have AA opponent brings QQ, and the first card on the flop I shit you now it a Q. They win and I'm no longer enjoying poker with my coffee. I know it can't keep on like this but losing these massive pots and hands is really starting to suck. This is now my worst cash game hand of the week, replacing my Flush draw where I had J high flush lost to Q high flush.

Just got ruined with AA on my hand. Other player played ALL-IN with AK without the flop was 10,J,8. The turn was 3, I went ALL-IN, the fucking river was Q, I was just ruined all of my fund in that board. Damn.

I agree with you, but you have to believe me, that I have searched for such threads and wasn't able to find any, on a few first pages of the gambling discussion board.

So, I thought it will be wise to open a new one. Of course, I haven't used the search function because it never works for me  .

I will be very happy to see discussion in both threads TBH and will do my best to comment there also. Maybe finally we will merge them together or close one, but let it be, as it is for now, I guess.


I have only introduced 3 minor rules to avoid spam and to have proper reasoning to report it because I forgot to make this thread self-moderated at the beginning (never created such one so far  ).

Also, don't have rules on hand history formats, but think that this one suggested by @Figmentofmyass is a good one and maybe worth implementing.

Not to beat a dead thread lol. I don't think there were any warning messages for posting there, as you said 6 weeks give or take pretty sure the message is at 6 months or something. Not that I care if people choose to post in multiple threads or whatnot but there really isn't anything differing between the 2.

The reason it was stalled is I was waiting for engagement on the last hands posted, or for others to post their hands. Which is always welcome I like looking at the spots others find themselves in, helps me get a fresh perspective. I got no rules on what or how people want to post their formats, I have come up with a decent one for clarity sake, but images are great to - if you provide a backstory for people to follow. Now that I;ve posted here I'll keep[ an eye and chime in if this thread carries on, as I generally just check out threads I've posted in these days. Found this after it was linked over lol.

The only thing I report there are spammy low quality repetitive posts that add nothing to the discussion. Almost verbatim for my reports

Agreed. Make Poker Great Again lol