Topic: Let's talk Texas Holdem poker hands and how to play like a PRO? - page 3. (Read 713 times)

the more the merrier IMO. i want to see less dice and more poker on bitcointalk! more exposure for our private league, which i'm hoping will eventually run more like large field MTTs than multi-table SNG.

+1 on the hand history format though. proper format:

That was already mentioned at least 2 times!!! I created this one because there was no active thread.

The thread you are linking was not active for 6 weeks and woke up yesterday, only because was mentioned here.

Of course, I would agree to merge these two threads or something, but as an OP, I would try to keep my thread alive or close after a few weeks of no activity.

There is a warning message when you post in older threads, not without a reason  .


Additionally, this thread has rules, so please be aware of them.
I would finally start to report such off-topic posts, especially if you repeat something already mentioned and discussed a few posts above.

PS
On such a big forum as Bitcointalk, I hope there is enough place even for 3 threads about the poker hands.
Please, let me try and maybe, just maybe, we can have an interesting discussion, because I have 15 years of experience in playing poker and like to discuss the hands and poker play.

That topic looks more logical and I moved my last post to there. Go there and give your fucking inputs. Wankers 😘

Hey guys...  I think it's better to talk about poker hands in just one thread.  Steamy already made one and has a lot of good hand discussions in it.  And the hands are presented the right way too.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/poker-talk-specifically-holdem-hands-and-or-strategy-5214582

Okay let's talk about a new hand which I experienced earlier. I am not going to disclose what I did before I hear some of the experts input here:


Wtf will be your next move?

Note: Khaled's turn on the table and other two are already not in the equation.

Took care of some of the post and now I am out of merit.

I use search feature, I feel it convenient for me.

It was a head to head and this is why I gone big in the flop round. If this was against a full table then I would not even play the hand except keep checking.

Once lost then felt it was a mistake coz at some stage I felt that I have too much money in the pot which will go away if I fold with a KK33 so I had to come up with the surprising ALL IN but at the end I was the one who got surprised.

The other guy was just taking advantage of having higher chips than me on the table. He bluffed and it worked.

I was waiting for your comment and haven't sent you a PM, because I thought that almost all members use @Loycev announcement service to check the post, threads they are mentioned/quoted.

If you don't use it and don't know what I am talking about, then here is the link: LoyceV's alternative for Piggy's @mention notification bot. And now I finally welcome you in this thread  .


I understand that you have played only against this one opponent from the start of this hand?

If yes, then K3 is a good enough hand to play with indeed, because heads up play is very tricky and different hand rules have to be applied, but If you played on a full table of players, then K3 is a hand that I would fold, depending on position and betting. Of course, when on BB I will try to defend anything, even 2, 7 off suite   and to see the flop for the price, because the worst hand can always improve significantly post-flop. Also, I will sometimes bluff raise when on SB (small blind) or on the button with K something hand.


That was your first mistake, with such a bad flop you should try to test the opponent first (if he doesn't have a flush draw) and bet small or even check to slow play this hand and try to keep the pot small because odds were not in your favor. I always prefer betting from calling, so I will try bet properly to keep the pot small and check how strong he is.


Slow play is the way to play such tricky hands.



You finally realized your mistake, only a little too late. Anyways, this is the hard way to learn poker and I am sure you will never do such a mistake again.

Keep up and think positive, wish you luck further!!!

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I know that as a thread author, I should at least merit the best answers and I already see a couple of posts worth meriting, but lately to my big surprise, I run out of merits  .
Kindly want to ask merit sources and other posters to award the best comments in this thread if possible. Thank you very much.


Thank you very much.


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Just found this thread and let me share you what exactly I had in mind and how I moved forward as the hand was progressing. I can not remember all correctly however as far as I can recall this is how I progressed:

Pre flop
Seeing K3 I gone with my regular bet amount I think I called BB

Flop
Since I have now KK33 I gone with higher amount, I think half of the chips I had in the table. Two pairs with K so you do not doubt much of course. But the other guy called!

The Turn
Since the other guy called I was thinking may be he had a flash but I have already invested a lot of chips and god damn it, it's KK33. I had other thought in mind that the guy is bluffing since he has almost double chips on board than me so he can have the luxury. The only way to test it is to bet an unusual amount and give him a shock. So I gone ALL IN!

But I got shocked when he called that too. And I was feeling fucked as well. I was just hoping the best for me.

River
When I saw diamond then I was pretty sure that the guy had a flash now if he had not in the first three card from Flop. But still I was hoping the best for me.

And finally when the card showed I felt fucked up! The guy was just taking chance with his QQ and got lucky. He was not in the game before River round. Bluffed with calling my ALL IN and he won!

Fucked!!!

To know exactly or at least to try to figure out what the opponent was counting for and his play, we need more information on how the betting looked like pre-flop and later post-flop, on the turn and river. These details about this particular hand were not shared fully in the original post, so we can only try to make our best guess here. If he shoved all-in with his QQ hand pre-flop, then is obvious that he blindly counted on his pair, so all depends on betting to be able to figure out his play here.


Indeed this is a common mistake and very costly mistake because many not experienced players will shove all-in in such a situation. I made such mistakes a few times also and learned very fast that you have to hold the Ace (best hand), to do this. Many times I called with 9 or Even a king to be beaten by higher card. Such mistakes start already pre-flop because many players play too many hands and they bet with 5, 9 off suite pre-flop, see a flush draw post-flop and bet to the end to see a higher card with the same color on the river.

This is also the reason why so many players play every Ace hand because the flush is a common outcome in poker. Here are the exact probabilities in Texas Holdem:


https://www.888poker.com/how-to-play-poker/hands/flush-poker-hand-ranking/

As you can see on the deck with only 2 cards there are almost 20% chances of winning, which is a lot.

Unlucky. It was a nice draw of cards until the chances of the other party having a flush actually became a higher cause of the river. The other guy was probably betting on the Q pair but then bam, river turned up and suddenly increased his odds. That's a 1/4 chance of actually drawing it. The guy was probably half bluffing and half pushing though, he had a pair of Q's which is not that strong nor weak, hence his chances are at most in the middle.

Probably after the flop, his mind turned since he just needed 1 more card for his flush. Probably the reason why he still pushed since even if he just called, he still has the Q pair to back up to. Besides, his hand was the pairs of Q itself, giving him a lot of room to work with tbh. Probably just counted his chances and bluffed his way halfway and then played to win by the end.

Poker does depend on luck and somewhat on skills too. You could go all-in every round and end up making thousands or you could end up broke. Though I still do believe luck plays more vital role over here.
The guy playing with pocket Qs was actually smart enough to not fold. Not sure why bitcoingirl is surprised over here. Just because a K poped up in the flop and he was still playing? The dude had a chance of getting 3 oak and a flush!

Exactly, I think also that slow play is the best way to play such hands, but sometimes it's just hard to believe that indeed he has a draw or hit the flush on the river and is not trying to bluff from the beginning. The best-case scenario is to have nothing, so there is no moral dilemma of going all in, only to check the filling of a bluff  , but the situation is totally different, when you have something, like in HAND NR.1 were @BitcoinGirl.Club had two pairs.

Sometimes, when you play too many hands with the same players, they will finally remember, that you try to play such draws slowly and are likely to fold when re-raise and all-ins come to action on the turn or river. Many regs will try to use it against you and start to bluff more often. I like to fool them into such play and call these costly all in bluffs  . I try to change my play constantly and sometimes even show stupid bluffs or calls to let them think that I am not reg or good tight-aggressive player, only a random fish because they will play differently with such opponent.

I personally also like to use such flush draws for bluffs and to scare out opponents on the turn or river. Of course, everything depends on betting, position, signs I see from other players involved, with how many I am playing such pot and so on. Still, there are going to be times when you make all the right decisions, but still lose in the end. This is the beauty of poker.

it's pretty common for people to slow-play flushes in that spot then bet the river. K-high flush vs Q-high flush, always a tough cooler.

i approach with caution when the board pairs up like that on the river. i'm not folding there but i'm likely just to call rather than re-raise all in.


granted, it's been dead for 6 weeks.

i was gonna pull up a few interesting hands i played recently but i've only been playing on SwC and my hand history wasn't saving. the in-software hand history is impossible to parse for starting hands. even if you can find a hand you're looking for, you have to manually replay and transcribe it yourself.

oh well, it's saving now. i'll share some hands later.

I played a lot of poker in college days however, with job and all, it's been a while since I last played poker. Then I saw Yahoo's thread on SwC poker tournament. I joined right away and it's been a first time I played online poker. So from last 4 weeks, I am playing poker once again, relieving my college days.

I have played like 1000+ hands in last 25 days, maybe more. But I will always remember one hand. It was on SwC Cash Table. I got Q10s (diamonds). 8d, Ah and 5d were dealt on flop. Although I didn't have any strong hand, I raised. 3 players folded while two called. Jd was dealt on turn. I hit the flush. I was sure that no one will have stronger hand if non-diamond card would deal on river so I raised twice. One of the two remaining opponent folded while other called. Now river card was dealt and it was Ac. Opponent had first turn and he raised to the pot amount. Now it was my analysis time, I made the use of my Time Bank and thought of all possibilities. I was sure about one thing, the opponent don't have AA because he was very calm in pre-flop. Players usually go wild in pre-flop if they get AA. So only possibility was Full House. I was continuously thinking is he holding two 5 or two 8 or one Ace and one 5/8. What made him playing so calm before seeing river card. Finally I reached the conclusion that he's holding one Ace and he's raising on 3 of a kind hand. So I went all-in and he went all-in too. Bang! He got K9s (diamonds) and I had Q10s (diamonds). That was the most unexpected result for me.

He was one of the best player I ever faced so far. Not giving away the hint that he had flush on river by playing soft and then raising on river to mislead the opponent.

That part of my comment is about the general case, not only about the above hand.

If you talk solely about the BitcoinGirl.Club's case, it was rare, four cards ♦, and Q♦ opponent. just like what you said.

Watch this for more lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wX_mM5lyCA

PS: flush is strong but not that strong.

I'm playing Texas Holdem for last two days on swcpoker. I had little knowledge on this, however, I lost 2mBTC so far. It was a bad day today morning. I had gone all in with K top flush but unlucky that other side had the same of A top flush.

Getting flush with poker is uncommon, actually it is a pretty great card to have you won't feel scared to call especially if you have a two of a kind plus the 3 on the table you'll feel safe about it. With the cards like dealt like that, having two pairs with 4 of the same kind ( diamonds ) is scary, one diamond is enough to make a flush, If I were holding those cards I'd fold them. That's a four of a kind on the table, if it happens that you have the ace of diamonds then you will beat the opponents hand no matter how high his cards are.

dude Q is the number three higher in holdem and K already there and the only 1 can beat Q is with A.
this turn only have 2 player that probability he has A is lower than 10%, he just wanted he has K not diamond

"Powerful" may not be the best term for a flush mate. I think you'll naturally aim for a flush if your cards have the same suit, not like BitcoinGirl.Club's case. Also, it is risky if you have only one matched card since the opponent can also have the same suit with the higher number. The cursing explains the situation very well, lol.

I think whatever amount of bet you use he will continue to CALL because the card is QQ and K is already there plus he has Q diamond of course he will come.I want to ask why you CALL with K3 you should FOLD and wait for a better card.
no offense but such a card is not worth playing.