Topic: Libertarianism Sucks (Read 949 times)

The heart of man is evil I hear. Honesty and "goodness" are the exceptions. We are created inherently selfish and seriously flawed. If you are expecting a system that will make the world a better place, you will be disappointed. That system does not exist, and never will so far as humans populate this world. There is no point crying over it. Yeah you lost your job, suck it up, go out there and kick ass. Do what you mst to get paid, that's all that matters.

I don't live in the US so I may have a different idea of what libertarianism is but why are you saying that thy want to totally remove healthcare? I know some people would say that they don't want their money spent on other people but I think health and education is something any country should be spending on. A healthy and educated workforce is necessary for the economy, I expected that governments would be OK on spending  on those even if just out of self-interest.

I was foolish enough to believe in Libertarianism, despite living in a poor country, I thought yeah maybe the free market can bring people out of poverty.
Maybe earning money and hiring many people, with little or no regulations, low taxes (which I still think are good), and business friendly practices the economy could get better.

Of course I ignored things like pollution, or when big corporations dump toxic chemicals in the river that cause decades of cancers in the future in people. Or when the food is not regulated and you get to eat poisonous GMO crap filled with antibiotics, and pesticide imported from a 3rd world country, yeah that kind of thing...

Do I also need to mention the 2008-2009 bank crisis, when unregulated banking system almost made the entire world collapse.

Or when you have workers working 16 hours a day in a sweatshop barely having anything to eat. Smells like the wonders of Capitalism.

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Don't get me wrong I am not a Communist, in fact I hate the Communists more than the Corporate Elite, after all their track record of murdering 350 million people in the past century can't be outcompeted.

But that doesn't mean that this unregulated Capitalism is good. It could cause just as many problems in the long run: poverty, health crisis, unemployment, low wages, and the list is long....

When I hear Libertarians trying to take away healthcare from people, it makes me angry. Yeah try being unemployed and without healthcare, you are good as dead.

Go live in the streets and scrap from dumpsters, that is what they want poor people to do. No healthcare is a death sentence, literally speaking. If you are unemployed and have no healthcare, you will die pretty soon of any kind of illness.

So after your 16 hour/day sweatshop job destroyed your health, they want to take away your healthcare too, so that you can just roll over and die.

It makes me angry to hear such foolish things. So Libertarianism sucks, I realized this the hard way when I became unemployed. Yes it looks good on paper, but try being unemployed, nobody will give a fuck about you afterwards. 

You're forgetting the absolutely giant distinction between all libertarian societies pre-capitalism and the kind of libertarian society that you're advocating for now.

The distinction being that even though there was some level of property rights and personal property, these were people living in villages and tribes which didn't communicate with each other well, nor have to encounter the tribes on the other side of the country 24/7.

In a modern society, when anyone can talk to anyone else or go to anywhere else, it changes completely.  Because people think "no, I owned that land first!" and feel a sense of entitlement over the land.  That's why the concept of land ownership, and thus capitalism, has caused shitloads of wars and would continue to do so under "libertarianism".

The Indians managed to live without a government and its taxes for centuries and they thrived. There was no crime among them, no locked doors, no banks, and yet people contributed and got along with the rest of the tribe.

God is upholding a sufficient amount of goodness in man. It isn't man's doing. It is God's doing.

Follow the laws of God and be righteous. He will reward you here, and greatly in the hereafter.

That's what it takes to make libertarianism work.

The heart of man is evil I hear. Honesty and "goodness" are the exceptions. We are created inherently selfish and seriously flawed. If you are expecting a system that will make the world a better place, you will be disappointed. That system does not exist, and never will so far as humans populate this world. There is no point crying over it. Yeah you lost your job, suck it up, go out there and kick ass. Do what you mst to get paid, that's all that matters.

Not just now but always it has been the case. Take a look at the dark history of mankind, all wars were fought for territory and money.

Only in the past 70 years after the horrors of World War 2 we have started to realize that this path is a very dark path.

Some kind of progressive philosophy arised in Europe and US, the hippy movement was it's called in derogatory terms, but in reality it was just the moral people gaining an upperhand above the immoral people.

People are getting tired of all the evils that go around in the world, in the name of money. Some people would just want to put the money aside and just build a community based on friendship and respect. That is what I would like to see.

But I don't like labels, don't call me a progressive or leftist or whatever..... I just want to see humans be more nice to eachother.

No system is perfect, least of all libertarianism, the principles are sound, the application not so much, because you need honest people to make it work. Nowadays people value money over honesty, so libertarianism is dead.

At its core, libertarianism is simply the application of the non-aggression principle. This means "live and let live." It means freedom for all who uphold libertarianism.