Everything that's centralized could quite easily be shut down if the right people pull the plug. And besides Liberty Reserve doesn't have the power of the big banks, they're not too big to fail, and as such they're a fairly easy target.
You can be fairly sure that when kiddieporn and drugs are put forward as an excuse, it's not the real reason. How much kiddieporn is bought worldwide every day with the US dollar? Should we shut down the US dollar then ?
It doesn't help to shut down a service if it's used for illegal purposes. Crime online and offline is like water, it always finds a crack to slip through, and when it's sealed, it finds another crack or makes a news one. The US wants to protect their dollar, and as such it's quite convenient to charge operators of online curriences for all sorts of crimes like money laundering, drugs and all sorts of illegal things.
I wonder how many child molesters drive on the US highways every year. Should we not ban the usage of cars, and to be safe, should we not remove the roads alltogether? After all, having good roads helps the criminals to escape the scene of a crime quickly, so roads should be banned, right, right?
If the govt. want to shut you down, they will. If they can't find something you're in violation of, they just interpret the laws in such a way that you can be targeted anyway, and even if you win, you probably get bankrupt in the legal battle, unless you're a very big company that can afford costly lawyers.
The message they're sending is: Don't fuck with our dollar, we will shut you down!
Also, if they really wanted to reduce the usage of drugs and kiddieporn, they would start educating the population more, and looking for the root causes. People with a bad life and no future often resort to drugs. As for offenders that use children, most people despise that, including myself - it's the lowest of the lowest. But child molesters have all the basic needs that the rest of us have - they need to eat, to use the infrastructure, pay for stuff and of course - get their fix, kiddieporn.
If LR is shut down, this does not cure the few sick souls that create the kiddieporn market, it probably puts a dent in their quest for kiddieporn for a little while, but soon enough they will find new ways to get their fix. If the US Govt really wanted to get rid of kiddieporn and send a message, they would go after the producers of kiddieporn, and the buyers, and send home a strong message that you will never be safe if you decide to act on your urges. There could also be a program you could enroll in that could help would be offenders to control their urges so that they could learn to be good citicens.
The truth is however that for the US govt, human lives are not important - but money is. That's a lesson to take home - but it's the truth.
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May 25, 2013, 01:35:24 PM
May 25, 2013, 01:14:36 PM
In the USA and Mexico large amount of drugs were traded across the border and exchange with US dollars, now should we shut down the US$ because it was involves with drugs and money laundering? or should we go after the US Government who printed this currency.
Now they shut down LR, they caught the owners of LR, this owners of LR wouldn't care what you do with their digital currency, same thing as the US Government they couldn't care what you do with the US$, what you do with the US$ is an individual thing. I hope they could make a decision not to shut down LR but get the culprits which are the owners.
The US$ is immortal or untouchable because you cannot shut them down, where as other digital currency can be shut down by them
whenever they felt that it is a threat to their banking system or their currency. Really is kind of a double standard.
Now they shut down LR, they caught the owners of LR, this owners of LR wouldn't care what you do with their digital currency, same thing as the US Government they couldn't care what you do with the US$, what you do with the US$ is an individual thing. I hope they could make a decision not to shut down LR but get the culprits which are the owners.
The US$ is immortal or untouchable because you cannot shut them down, where as other digital currency can be shut down by them
whenever they felt that it is a threat to their banking system or their currency. Really is kind of a double standard.
May 25, 2013, 11:47:12 AM
I've opened a topic about this matter:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/costa-rican-liberty-reserve-arrested-in-spain-for-alleged-financial-crimes-215887
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/costa-rican-liberty-reserve-arrested-in-spain-for-alleged-financial-crimes-215887
May 25, 2013, 11:44:50 AM
Now that I look into it a little more deeply, the Liberty guys had already been convicted in 2006 of precisely what Mutum Sigilum was doing: running an unlicensed money transmitter business. Apparently they did time in prison for it, then when they were released, fled to Costa Rica to start up again.
Source: http://www.ticotimes.net/More-news/News-Briefs/Costa-Rican-arrested-in-Spain-for-alleged-financial-crimes_Friday-May-24-2013
It seems to me that the authorities didn't have evidence (didn't or couldn't build a case against them) for money laundering the first time around, even though the authorities may have thought they were laundering money. The second time around, as soon as these guys popped up on their radar, the authorities realized who they were dealing with. They took their time and built a case for money laundering in addition to violating the money transmitter laws, then busted them for both.
There are plenty of lessons to be learned here, but one aspect of this sticks in my mind: Costa Rica? Why Costa Rica of all places? These guys wanted to go somewhere where they couldn't be caught, but they chose one of the most lawful, INTERPOL-friendly jurisdictions in the Americas, only to do business directly with US citizens? This sounds a little lazy to me - like they knew they should have gone off-grid to a developing nation, but just couldn't leave the supermarket behind. Criminals these days!
Source: http://www.ticotimes.net/More-news/News-Briefs/Costa-Rican-arrested-in-Spain-for-alleged-financial-crimes_Friday-May-24-2013
It seems to me that the authorities didn't have evidence (didn't or couldn't build a case against them) for money laundering the first time around, even though the authorities may have thought they were laundering money. The second time around, as soon as these guys popped up on their radar, the authorities realized who they were dealing with. They took their time and built a case for money laundering in addition to violating the money transmitter laws, then busted them for both.
There are plenty of lessons to be learned here, but one aspect of this sticks in my mind: Costa Rica? Why Costa Rica of all places? These guys wanted to go somewhere where they couldn't be caught, but they chose one of the most lawful, INTERPOL-friendly jurisdictions in the Americas, only to do business directly with US citizens? This sounds a little lazy to me - like they knew they should have gone off-grid to a developing nation, but just couldn't leave the supermarket behind. Criminals these days!
May 25, 2013, 11:24:13 AM
I am quite concern with this news, a lot of the LR currency involves in hyip and ponzi scheme, many of us thought that the authorities cannot
touch this entity because it is offshore in Costa Rica or Belize? but time has change .. than I wonder why keep your money offshore.. even offshore is not Safe. May be some long time bitcoin members or lawyers can comment about this recent development..
touch this entity because it is offshore in Costa Rica or Belize? but time has change .. than I wonder why keep your money offshore.. even offshore is not Safe. May be some long time bitcoin members or lawyers can comment about this recent development..
May 25, 2013, 11:22:52 AM
The US authorities seized the funds in Mutum Sigilum's Dwolla account because Mutum Sigilum was operating an unregistered money transmitter business. The registration requirements seek to prevent money laundering, but there was no evdience (at least that I'm aware of) that Mutum Sigilum was actually laundering money.
Liberty Reserve, however, was shut down for reasons on the flip side of that coin: there was evidence that it was actually involved in laundering money.
Is this bad news for BTC? No.
The real lessons here are: don't launder money (thanks, Liberty!) and register your unlicensed transmitter business (thanks Mutum!).
Liberty Reserve, however, was shut down for reasons on the flip side of that coin: there was evidence that it was actually involved in laundering money.
Is this bad news for BTC? No.
The real lessons here are: don't launder money (thanks, Liberty!) and register your unlicensed transmitter business (thanks Mutum!).
May 25, 2013, 11:16:55 AM
It will drive up BTC price because people who used LR for "grey" transactions will probably switch to BTC.
May 25, 2013, 11:14:45 AM
Is this bad news for bitcoin?
i would think it's good news
May 25, 2013, 11:05:07 AM
Is this bad news for bitcoin?
May 25, 2013, 10:57:44 AM
Liberty Reserve shut down for “money laundering”
May.25, 2013 in MLM
liberty-reserve-shut-down-money-laundering-may-2013
There’s a general consensus in the MLM industry that if you see an MLM company using one of three particular payment processors, then at the very least it’s worth taking a precautionary approach.
Payment processors handle money between MLM companies and their affiliates. In an age where global affiliate membership is the norm, payment processors simplify the process in which companies are able to effectively pay their affiliates commissions.
Today Liberty Reserve, easily one of the most frequently used payment processors in the MLM industry, was shut down following the arrest of its creator and owner in Spain.
Following an investigation that began back in 2011, Costa Rican authorities raided the home of and arrested Arthur Budovsky Belanchuk.
Belanchuk is credited as the creator of Liberty Reserve, with Costa Rican prosecutor José Pablo González stating
Budovsky, a Costa Rican citizen of Ukrainian origin, has been under investigation since 2011 for money laundering using a company he created in the country called Liberty Reserve.
Local investigations began after a request from a prosecutor’s office in New York. On Friday, San José prosecutors conducted raids in Budovsky’s house and offices in Escazá, Santa Ana, southwest of San José, and in the province of Heredia, north of the capital.
Budovsky’s businesses in Costa Rica apparently were financed by using money from child pornography websites and drug trafficking.
Liberty Reserve has been a stalwart on the MLM company payment processor scheme, being used extensively by legitimate and dubious income opportunities alike.
Wikipedia lists Liberty Reserve as a member of the Global Digital Currency association (GDCA). Somewhat ironically, GDCA state on their website that they are
a trade association of online currency operators, exchangers, merchants and users (with a) declared goal to further the interests of the industry as a whole and help with fighting fraud and other illegal activities.
Guess they must have missed all that money laundering going on.
At the time of publication the Liberty Reserve website is down and returning a 503 “service unavailable” error. Meanwhile the status of and what will happen to the money many MLM affiliates had in the e-wallet is not currently known.
There’s a reason most affiliates who have been in the industry for some time are wary when an MLM company uses one of these particular three payment processors, and not surprisingly as above it’s entirely justified.
Using them for the same reasons child pornographers and drug traffickers do, countless scams have funnelled hundreds if not of millions of dollars through them over the years.
Stay tuned for updates if any additional news comes to hand.
from source behindmlm.com
May.25, 2013 in MLM
liberty-reserve-shut-down-money-laundering-may-2013
There’s a general consensus in the MLM industry that if you see an MLM company using one of three particular payment processors, then at the very least it’s worth taking a precautionary approach.
Payment processors handle money between MLM companies and their affiliates. In an age where global affiliate membership is the norm, payment processors simplify the process in which companies are able to effectively pay their affiliates commissions.
Today Liberty Reserve, easily one of the most frequently used payment processors in the MLM industry, was shut down following the arrest of its creator and owner in Spain.
Following an investigation that began back in 2011, Costa Rican authorities raided the home of and arrested Arthur Budovsky Belanchuk.
Belanchuk is credited as the creator of Liberty Reserve, with Costa Rican prosecutor José Pablo González stating
Budovsky, a Costa Rican citizen of Ukrainian origin, has been under investigation since 2011 for money laundering using a company he created in the country called Liberty Reserve.
Local investigations began after a request from a prosecutor’s office in New York. On Friday, San José prosecutors conducted raids in Budovsky’s house and offices in Escazá, Santa Ana, southwest of San José, and in the province of Heredia, north of the capital.
Budovsky’s businesses in Costa Rica apparently were financed by using money from child pornography websites and drug trafficking.
Liberty Reserve has been a stalwart on the MLM company payment processor scheme, being used extensively by legitimate and dubious income opportunities alike.
Wikipedia lists Liberty Reserve as a member of the Global Digital Currency association (GDCA). Somewhat ironically, GDCA state on their website that they are
a trade association of online currency operators, exchangers, merchants and users (with a) declared goal to further the interests of the industry as a whole and help with fighting fraud and other illegal activities.
Guess they must have missed all that money laundering going on.
At the time of publication the Liberty Reserve website is down and returning a 503 “service unavailable” error. Meanwhile the status of and what will happen to the money many MLM affiliates had in the e-wallet is not currently known.
There’s a reason most affiliates who have been in the industry for some time are wary when an MLM company uses one of these particular three payment processors, and not surprisingly as above it’s entirely justified.
Using them for the same reasons child pornographers and drug traffickers do, countless scams have funnelled hundreds if not of millions of dollars through them over the years.
Stay tuned for updates if any additional news comes to hand.
from source behindmlm.com
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