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Topic: Lifetime pool luck for antpool vs kano.is or why aren't you mining with kano.is (Read 16616 times)

legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
However at this point, if I had to choose between inner workings of the pool and the pretty stuff I tend to agree with you in that I would rather see kano's time spent under the hood. My comment was more or less intended as an idea that could help foster future growth.
The impression I've got from Kano and his pool is that he doesn't particularly care to grow it.  I mean I'm sure he's stoked that it's where it is today, but I remember when it was a 1-3PH pool and it still had all the potential is does today but for whatever reason it was underutilized, and it didn't seem to me that he went out of his way to try to attract users by any other means than providing the most efficient pool software that he could.
hero member
Activity: 544
Merit: 507
I think functionality is over all kind of aesthetic factors.

I love cli btw..  Cheesy
sr. member
Activity: 324
Merit: 250
Why give (false?) impressions and try to lure people with bells and whistles?  You even admitted, once you learned you moved to kano, so will the other newbies.  I don't think he cares to attract people (or waste his coding time) with fluff and no substance when that effort could be put into making the pool actually run better, not just look different.

I think we are in agreement here, however I do believe that there is a value in aesthetically pleasing layouts. Kano is an awesome pool, I don't think that giving it a facelift would give anyone a false impression considering the history of the pool. In ecommerce, millions upon millions of dollars are spent in research figuring out what people want the site to look like so that they'll visit site xyz more than site abc. If there was ever a desire or push to increase kano's pool size I think a refresh would be helpful. However at this point, if I had to choose between inner workings of the pool and the pretty stuff I tend to agree with you in that I would rather see kano's time spent under the hood. My comment was more or less intended as an idea that could help foster future growth.
legendary
Activity: 1694
Merit: 1002
Go Big or Go Home.....
I don't mine at kano.is because it is not a Chinese pool. Yes, I know he has a couple of Chinese relay nodes, but that is not good enough for me.

To all the people who just want to "make more money in the long run", guess what ? In the long run we are all dead.

Chinese pools are all sheyt. Simple as that. Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 544
Merit: 507
I did some test mining a whole week in ckpool and I concluded that F2Pool pays more.

0.024 BTC per day (F2pool) vs 0.016 per day (Kano.is)

I have not the details but Im coming back to F2pool.
Wow, you mined for a whole week?  Well that clearly shows your understanding of how to determine profitability and identify a proper time frame within witch to evaluate pool performance.  Roll Eyes

Did you even read this thread?

Mikey be gentle.  He may not have the testicles to stick around for the proper amount of time.

Most short run guys are lacking in balls so to speak they panic and they run to perceived safety.

Of a pool like f2pool.

They just are a bit short in the ability to stick it out.


Or he is a fake and is trolling.

I'm not trolling. I can stick to Kano a few more weeks.

Time will tell
full member
Activity: 215
Merit: 101
I don't mine at kano.is because it is not a Chinese pool. Yes, I know he has a couple of Chinese relay nodes, but that is not good enough for me.

To all the people who just want to "make more money in the long run", guess what ? In the long run we are all dead.
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8914
'The right to privacy matters'
I did some test mining a whole week in ckpool and I concluded that F2Pool pays more.

0.024 BTC per day (F2pool) vs 0.016 per day (Kano.is)

I have not the details but Im coming back to F2pool.
Wow, you mined for a whole week?  Well that clearly shows your understanding of how to determine profitability and identify a proper time frame within witch to evaluate pool performance.  Roll Eyes

Did you even read this thread?

Mikey be gentle.  He may not have the testicles to stick around for the proper amount of time.

Most short run guys are lacking in balls so to speak they panic and they run to perceived safety.

Of a pool like f2pool.

They just are a bit short in the ability to stick it out.


Or he is a fake and is trolling.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
I did some test mining a whole week in ckpool and I concluded that F2Pool pays more.

0.024 BTC per day (F2pool) vs 0.016 per day (Kano.is)

I have not the details but Im coming back to F2pool.
Wow, you mined for a whole week?  Well that clearly shows your understanding of how to determine profitability and identify a proper time frame within witch to evaluate pool performance.  Roll Eyes

Did you even read this thread?
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8914
'The right to privacy matters'
I did some test mining a whole week in ckpool and I concluded that F2Pool pays more.

0.024 BTC per day (F2pool) vs 0.016 per day (Kano.is)

I have not the details but Im coming back to F2pool.

so sorry for you.  

but  I understand your fear.
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The math is very simple. Look below


Block Statistics

Description   Time         MeanTx%        Diff%      Mean%     CDF[Erl]   Luck%

Last 5 Blocks   2.6days   104.1%   224.21%   224.21%   0.9869   44.60%
Last 10 Blocks   3.8days   104.1%   161.77%   161.77%   0.9603   61.81%
Last 25 Blocks   6.3days   103.7%   106.92%   106.92%   0.6571   93.53%
Last 50 Blocks   12.7days   103.5%   108.27%   108.27%   0.7312   92.36%

Last 100 Blocks   24.1days   102.8%   99.24%   99.24%   0.4830   100.76%   >>>> The long term
Last 250 Blocks   8.4wks   102.1%   94.82%   94.54%   0.1953   105.78%   >>>> numbers crush
Last 500 Blocks   16.8wks   101.7%   95.26%   95.17%   0.1394   105.07%   >>>>> f2 pool
Last 1000 Blocks   64.0wks   101.4%   93.13%   92.76%   0.0098   107.80% >>>>>
All - Last 1228 Blocks   97.0wks   101.2%   93.54%   93.94%   0.0155   106.45% >>>>>


legendary
Activity: 4592
Merit: 1851
Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
I did some test mining a whole week in ckpool and I concluded that F2Pool pays more.

0.024 BTC per day (F2pool) vs 0.016 per day (Kano.is)

I have not the details but Im coming back to F2pool.
Have fun earning less there Smiley
The expected payout is simple to calculate and lower at f2pool vs kano.is
Yep a few days of bad luck here at kano.is means that indeed if you rig your test to occur when we have bad luck, you can find that any pool pays better than the pool with bad luck.
However, long term and the expected payout is higher - but again, have fun earning less there Smiley
hero member
Activity: 544
Merit: 507
I did some test mining a whole week in ckpool and I concluded that F2Pool pays more.

0.024 BTC per day (F2pool) vs 0.016 per day (Kano.is)

I have not the details but Im coming back to F2pool.
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
Why give (false?) impressions and try to lure people with bells and whistles?  You even admitted, once you learned you moved to kano, so will the other newbies.  I don't think he cares to attract people (or waste his coding time) with fluff and no substance when that effort could be put into making the pool actually run better, not just look different.
sr. member
Activity: 324
Merit: 250
As a new miner, what attracted me to the bigger pools (slush antpool etc) is their intuitive and easy to read website. Getting into bitcoin, much less mining without anyone to guide you along the way is a daunting task. Naturally most go with what they see is the easiest to get setup and running, at least thats what i did. Slowly after doing more research i moved all my hashpower to kano and it has been a rewarding experience. I think that more people would be inclined to join kano right out of the gate if the site looked and felt like slush or antpool. Pretty colors, stats, FAQ's, graphs all laid out in an aesthetically pleasing manner give the impression of legitimacy to those who don't know any better (aka noobs or the ignorant). Just one noob's opinion.
legendary
Activity: 1694
Merit: 1002
Go Big or Go Home.....
I've gotten more than a bunch of people to switch to it who were renting from me in MRR and directly.
member
Activity: 103
Merit: 10
Future Eternitizen
Is still Kano.is the best pool?
or should I stay with f2?   Huh

Even the noobs know Kano CKpool is the best. I've proved it myself.  Cool
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8914
'The right to privacy matters'
Is still Kano.is the best pool?
or should I stay with f2?   Huh

Kano has improved since I started this thread.

they were 104% life time and are now 107.2 % lifetime

f2pool is 96%  after fees.

kano is 107.3% after fees  How is that possible that they have better luck after fees then before fees.  simple  they give you the transaction fees from the block.

f2pool keeps the transaction fees.


basically if you mined with kano  since 2013  you would have earned

 1073 kano


 960 f2pool
legendary
Activity: 1694
Merit: 1002
Go Big or Go Home.....
F2? U serious?
Someone really HAS to actually ask this?
This is a joke, right?
Is it April's Fool's day?
Flugtag?
Did Hillary win the election and the US population all became lobotomized (more than they already are)..

Ok enough kwan-teen - ness.

KANO.IS IMO IS the best pool out there, but if only people would stop with the big f'ing rentals from NH/SH. They don't seem to get the fact that they actually lose BTC doing it by renting HUGE amounts at one sitting. Cheesy
sr. member
Activity: 469
Merit: 500
Is still Kano.is the best pool?
or should I stay with f2?   Huh

i used to mine on f2 , make the move to kano , u wont regret it , just dont panic when long blocks come around and stick threw it u will earn more btc then on f2

hero member
Activity: 544
Merit: 507
Is still Kano.is the best pool?
or should I stay with f2?   Huh
legendary
Activity: 4326
Merit: 8914
'The right to privacy matters'
Every week Organofcorti publishes luck percentages for different pools on his blog: http://organofcorti.blogspot.nl/

http://organofcorti.blogspot.nl/2016/05/may-22nd-2016-mining-pool-statistics.html is the post you would want to look at. It has the week, 4 week, half a year and a full year luck percetage.

Edit: The post Philipma links to is from Organofcorti Grin



I am not attacking slush  as I said their current luck is good.  but the lifetime  is 98.5 % vs 106.3 %

I just put my hard gear on kano and don't think much about it.

When I cam back to kano in jan of 2016 the lifetime luck was 104%   now in very late mat it is 106%

  So I have had 108% luck since jan  that works for me.

about 500 blocks at 108%
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