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newbie
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The K16 board will cost anyone about $65 if they want to go to Digikey and Mouser to buy all the parts themselves. Good luck soldering in those 325+ parts.

Its doable for anyone with 1. experience and 2. Patience      I don't think it would be much for someone to build one or to, but if you are building 20, 30, 40+ Id except you have the sense and cash to pay for a assembly company to do it for you. 
newbie
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I missed the boat on the first two batches waiting for money to transfer.  What happens now if batch three doesn't take off?  If I order 64 chips and it doesn't fill up will I just get a refund?  Or will there be enough surplus in another batch to cover the orders on this one?  Is there a time limit for this batch to close?

I'm just trying to understand the risks of tying up coins in this transaction.
Thanks,

-Jay
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The costs add up. If you see, burnin's board is at about the same price point.

Setting up to build about 500 of burnin's or bkkcoins K16 board will set anyone back about $10,000 in parts (not including ASICs or the assembly house charge). This is quite a bit of money to lay out.

The K16 board will cost anyone about $65 if they want to go to Digikey and Mouser to buy all the parts themselves. Good luck soldering in those 325+ parts.
hero member
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Legit-looking assembly thread going on over here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203388.0;all

So expensive. I hope steamboat can find a cheaper solution. A posted board price may spur batch 3 puchasing since we don't know how much to set aside. I have a feeling we are in good hands.  Smiley

Any word on sample chip arrival from batch 1?

Yes, a cheaper solution is the goal. Due to the logistics of batch orders "trickling" in, purchase sizes are not going to be optimal, which is going to increase the price. Sample chips are not scheduled to ship until June 1, and Avalon has not yet released additional information.


I apologize for the lack of forum presence over the past two days. Things are moving quickly on my side and I'm having to switch gears from a previous project I was working on to this. More information will be available Wednesday.


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Legit-looking assembly thread going on over here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203388.0;all

Way too expensive! Shocked
TerraHash looks good, but not sure if legit.
legendary
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Think. Positive. Thoughts.
Legit-looking assembly thread going on over here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203388.0;all

So expensive. I hope steamboat can find a cheaper solution. A posted board price may spur batch 3 puchasing since we don't know how much to set aside. I have a feeling we are in good hands.  Smiley

Any word on sample chip arrival from batch 1?
hero member
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Its as easy as 0, 1, 1, 2, 3
Will be nice to see when the first ones arrive.
newbie
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Legit-looking assembly thread going on over here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203388.0;all
hero member
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Its as easy as 0, 1, 1, 2, 3
Steamboat needs to sleep sometimes Tongue
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Strange....first 2 batches went through quickly, 3rd completely frozen since nearly a day - did I miss something ?
Any thoughts ?


Maybe because it's a Monday.

I hope it gets going. I'm in for 256 chips, just have to wait till I get home to my bitcoin wallet.
newbie
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Strange....first 2 batches went through quickly, 3rd completely frozen since nearly a day - did I miss something ?
Any thoughts ?
hero member
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Interesting, that's 452 orders between them right there... There might be a lot of these chips in the wild, i don't think there's anything besides the 10k chips you can buy on their website that would count as an order number either?

If every single one of those is 10k chips.  That is 1274.64 Terahash/second

And BTC352,560. I can't comment on their order numbering system as I don't know what it is. It's possible they sold 452 batches, and anyone who is interested in purchasing chips should do their homework before purchasing.


Dang thats $35,000,000+ Avalon is racking up some serious cash for being the first company to complete making their Asics. I wonder if some of those orders are from people/companies planning on making a bitcoin mining warehouse to control percents of the network. Whatever it is, difficulty will skyrocket.

They have not sold that many batches of chips. https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU is the address they are using to collect purchase money. Currently at 53,117. Quick math puts it at somewhere around 191TH/s worth of chips. Big increase, but nowhere near ROI breaking (for ASICS).


There is one order unaccounted for. All others received, recorded, and replied. Batch three will begin once batch two ends.
FWIW over the next ~3 months my numbers have, from the current hash rate

+191TH/sec - Avalon chips
+262TH/sec - ASICMiner (their posted 3 month projection)
+Between 0 -  281.25TH/sec - BFL (assuming 75 wafers and 1,100 chips per wafer @ 3.75Ghash/sec per chip)

Minimum new hashrate : 606 TH/sec
Conservative upper bound new hashrate : ~900 TH/sec
BFL has more wafers than orders and decides to flood the market : 1200+ TH/sec

Avalon's batch sales will be coming online 1-3 weeks after delivery, at the end of the 3 month timeframe. ASICMiner says they have hash power sitting idle waiting for competition, we shall see. Given BFL's currently difficulties and track record, 281TH/s is highly unlikely.

Minimum new hashrate (at time of expected finish date of these chips) : 460 TH/sec
Conservative upper bound new hashrate : ~660 TH/sec
BFL has more wafers than orders and decides to flood the market : 200+ TH/sec. They MAY be able to dump chips if they offer them for nothing, and immediate availability. They would have to release their reference design as well, which is highly unlikely. Given their track record, chip performance, and delays, I wouldn't expect more than 100TH/s from them in the next 3 months.

This doesn't mean don't plan for it.


whats the expected difficulty at 600, 900, 1200 TH/s ?


600TH/s- 83,819,031.72
900TH/s- 125,728,547.57
1,200TH/s- 167,638,063.43

Should still be profitable at that point though.
Hardly the easy money or get rich quick that people think it will be though.

There is even the possibility that you won't even break even within 1-2 years - all depends on shadow players

EVERYONE should be doing their own cost analysis to gauge the risks involved. I will tell you what my difficulty turn-off number is though: 2,463,622,386.37



In other news, Batch 2 officially closed. Batch 3 has now begun. For those who ordered after batch 2 closed, with previous orders in batch 2, I have funded the purchase through my private chips. All others have been placed in batch 3.

I really dont believe such hashrates. I mean when in the past went everything like planned with the asic-companies? Thats very rare. Its not possible that BFL ships TH after TH in the next 2 months. Asicminer is limited too. They can only bring Hashpower online when the worktime allows it. 200TH online needs many days.
The chips of course will arrive and have to be deployed. I wonder if this will go fast for all participiants.

I think in 2 months we will be at 200, max 300 TH. I might be wrong of course. But i think the plans of the past nearly never played out. Why should this change now suddenly?

I agree with your conclusions, and have reached a similar one myself. I am running ROI analysis on what is likely, what is possible, what is improbable, and what is likely impossible. I do not want to offer a strong position on estimates, though.
legendary
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Interesting, that's 452 orders between them right there... There might be a lot of these chips in the wild, i don't think there's anything besides the 10k chips you can buy on their website that would count as an order number either?

If every single one of those is 10k chips.  That is 1274.64 Terahash/second

And BTC352,560. I can't comment on their order numbering system as I don't know what it is. It's possible they sold 452 batches, and anyone who is interested in purchasing chips should do their homework before purchasing.


Dang thats $35,000,000+ Avalon is racking up some serious cash for being the first company to complete making their Asics. I wonder if some of those orders are from people/companies planning on making a bitcoin mining warehouse to control percents of the network. Whatever it is, difficulty will skyrocket.

They have not sold that many batches of chips. https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU is the address they are using to collect purchase money. Currently at 53,117. Quick math puts it at somewhere around 191TH/s worth of chips. Big increase, but nowhere near ROI breaking (for ASICS).


There is one order unaccounted for. All others received, recorded, and replied. Batch three will begin once batch two ends.
FWIW over the next ~3 months my numbers have, from the current hash rate

+191TH/sec - Avalon chips
+262TH/sec - ASICMiner (their posted 3 month projection)
+Between 0 -  281.25TH/sec - BFL (assuming 75 wafers and 1,100 chips per wafer @ 3.75Ghash/sec per chip)

Minimum new hashrate : 606 TH/sec
Conservative upper bound new hashrate : ~900 TH/sec
BFL has more wafers than orders and decides to flood the market : 1200+ TH/sec

Avalon's batch sales will be coming online 1-3 weeks after delivery, at the end of the 3 month timeframe. ASICMiner says they have hash power sitting idle waiting for competition, we shall see. Given BFL's currently difficulties and track record, 281TH/s is highly unlikely.

Minimum new hashrate (at time of expected finish date of these chips) : 460 TH/sec
Conservative upper bound new hashrate : ~660 TH/sec
BFL has more wafers than orders and decides to flood the market : 200+ TH/sec. They MAY be able to dump chips if they offer them for nothing, and immediate availability. They would have to release their reference design as well, which is highly unlikely. Given their track record, chip performance, and delays, I wouldn't expect more than 100TH/s from them in the next 3 months.

This doesn't mean don't plan for it.


whats the expected difficulty at 600, 900, 1200 TH/s ?


600TH/s- 83,819,031.72
900TH/s- 125,728,547.57
1,200TH/s- 167,638,063.43

Should still be profitable at that point though.
Hardly the easy money or get rich quick that people think it will be though.

There is even the possibility that you won't even break even within 1-2 years - all depends on shadow players

EVERYONE should be doing their own cost analysis to gauge the risks involved. I will tell you what my difficulty turn-off number is though: 2,463,622,386.37



In other news, Batch 2 officially closed. Batch 3 has now begun. For those who ordered after batch 2 closed, with previous orders in batch 2, I have funded the purchase through my private chips. All others have been placed in batch 3.

I really dont believe such hashrates. I mean when in the past went everything like planned with the asic-companies? Thats very rare. Its not possible that BFL ships TH after TH in the next 2 months. Asicminer is limited too. They can only bring Hashpower online when the worktime allows it. 200TH online needs many days.
The chips of course will arrive and have to be deployed. I wonder if this will go fast for all participiants.

I think in 2 months we will be at 200, max 300 TH. I might be wrong of course. But i think the plans of the past nearly never played out. Why should this change now suddenly?
hero member
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Interesting, that's 452 orders between them right there... There might be a lot of these chips in the wild, i don't think there's anything besides the 10k chips you can buy on their website that would count as an order number either?

If every single one of those is 10k chips.  That is 1274.64 Terahash/second

And BTC352,560. I can't comment on their order numbering system as I don't know what it is. It's possible they sold 452 batches, and anyone who is interested in purchasing chips should do their homework before purchasing.


Dang thats $35,000,000+ Avalon is racking up some serious cash for being the first company to complete making their Asics. I wonder if some of those orders are from people/companies planning on making a bitcoin mining warehouse to control percents of the network. Whatever it is, difficulty will skyrocket.

They have not sold that many batches of chips. https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU is the address they are using to collect purchase money. Currently at 53,117. Quick math puts it at somewhere around 191TH/s worth of chips. Big increase, but nowhere near ROI breaking (for ASICS).


There is one order unaccounted for. All others received, recorded, and replied. Batch three will begin once batch two ends.
FWIW over the next ~3 months my numbers have, from the current hash rate

+191TH/sec - Avalon chips
+262TH/sec - ASICMiner (their posted 3 month projection)
+Between 0 -  281.25TH/sec - BFL (assuming 75 wafers and 1,100 chips per wafer @ 3.75Ghash/sec per chip)

Minimum new hashrate : 606 TH/sec
Conservative upper bound new hashrate : ~900 TH/sec
BFL has more wafers than orders and decides to flood the market : 1200+ TH/sec

Avalon's batch sales will be coming online 1-3 weeks after delivery, at the end of the 3 month timeframe. ASICMiner says they have hash power sitting idle waiting for competition, we shall see. Given BFL's currently difficulties and track record, 281TH/s is highly unlikely.

Minimum new hashrate (at time of expected finish date of these chips) : 460 TH/sec
Conservative upper bound new hashrate : ~660 TH/sec
BFL has more wafers than orders and decides to flood the market : 200+ TH/sec. They MAY be able to dump chips if they offer them for nothing, and immediate availability. They would have to release their reference design as well, which is highly unlikely. Given their track record, chip performance, and delays, I wouldn't expect more than 100TH/s from them in the next 3 months.

This doesn't mean don't plan for it.


whats the expected difficulty at 600, 900, 1200 TH/s ?


600TH/s- 83,819,031.72
900TH/s- 125,728,547.57
1,200TH/s- 167,638,063.43

Should still be profitable at that point though.
Hardly the easy money or get rich quick that people think it will be though.

There is even the possibility that you won't even break even within 1-2 years - all depends on shadow players

EVERYONE should be doing their own cost analysis to gauge the risks involved. I will tell you what my difficulty turn-off number is though: 2,463,622,386.37



In other news, Batch 2 officially closed. Batch 3 has now begun. For those who ordered after batch 2 closed, with previous orders in batch 2, I have funded the purchase through my private chips. All others have been placed in batch 3.
sr. member
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Should still be profitable at that point though.
Hardly the easy money or get rich quick that people think it will be though.

There is even the possibility that you won't even break even within 1-2 years - all depends on shadow players
hero member
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Its as easy as 0, 1, 1, 2, 3
Should still be profitable at that point though.
sr. member
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Interesting, that's 452 orders between them right there... There might be a lot of these chips in the wild, i don't think there's anything besides the 10k chips you can buy on their website that would count as an order number either?

If every single one of those is 10k chips.  That is 1274.64 Terahash/second

And BTC352,560. I can't comment on their order numbering system as I don't know what it is. It's possible they sold 452 batches, and anyone who is interested in purchasing chips should do their homework before purchasing.


Dang thats $35,000,000+ Avalon is racking up some serious cash for being the first company to complete making their Asics. I wonder if some of those orders are from people/companies planning on making a bitcoin mining warehouse to control percents of the network. Whatever it is, difficulty will skyrocket.

They have not sold that many batches of chips. https://blockchain.info/address/1FGAftzSTztFSB8LMwsrdCKTyqGY6zr3sU is the address they are using to collect purchase money. Currently at 53,117. Quick math puts it at somewhere around 191TH/s worth of chips. Big increase, but nowhere near ROI breaking (for ASICS).


There is one order unaccounted for. All others received, recorded, and replied. Batch three will begin once batch two ends.
FWIW over the next ~3 months my numbers have, from the current hash rate

+191TH/sec - Avalon chips
+262TH/sec - ASICMiner (their posted 3 month projection)
+Between 0 -  281.25TH/sec - BFL (assuming 75 wafers and 1,100 chips per wafer @ 3.75Ghash/sec per chip)

Minimum new hashrate : 606 TH/sec
Conservative upper bound new hashrate : ~900 TH/sec
BFL has more wafers than orders and decides to flood the market : 1200+ TH/sec

whats the expected difficulty at 600, 900, 1200 TH/s ?

Difficulty is directly proportional to hashrate right?

Based on the current hash rate and difficulty

roughly 80 million @ 600 TH/sec and about 122 million @ 900 TH/sec
sr. member
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is there any chip left for batch 2? Smiley
hero member
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In for the last 10 chips in this batch.

newbie
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I'm in for 32...just waiting on confirmation 2.752 btc

txid: 8c0c52ce67b89d6a2923a748c1466a8468c8519ee9584073ade6809ede450035


Email and related info on its way

will double this order if there's room in batch 2
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