Live casino over provably fair games. - page 4.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

The randomness of the result in the casino games made us think that the next spin will probably give us profit. This is the reason why many gamblers keep chasing profit or chasing losses because of the fallacy that the next one will be the one to give them a good win, which we all know that do not happen.

Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I do not think that live casino makes a difference. The same random result apply on live casino except if the game is rigged. So I do not believe that there is a difference in decision in playing provably fair game and live game in one person's decision. If a person have the fallacy, that fallacy will apply to all the game he played.

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Roulette you said?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62117652
Didn't you just try to tell us that there are some game providers who try to scam us in live casino games and you yourself put roulette's example?
And now you think that you've got 15 seconds to figure out what to do?
You know, we as gamblers are very much impatient and we believe that this time, it's ours so we must place enough bets on enough numbers and see what happens. And such impatient behavior makes us lose because that's why the dealers keep the duration low like 15 seconds only so not to give you enough time to "think before betting". And about provably fair games, I've played some original games like dice, crash, minesweeper, etc. and TBH, I've won more there compared to live casino games. However, we get attracted towards live casinos just because we get bored watching the same graphics again and again in the provably fair games and so, we go to live casino to see those beautiful women dealing cards (blackjack) and throwing balls near the rolling numbers (roulette) because come on, we do it for fun and that's a nice distraction we men are fond of. Cheesy

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I know this feeling, OP, when you're so used to clicking that roll button that when it goes red and you start losing you keep clicking anyway until you run out of money. Or you set it to auto betting and watch it go win -lose win- lose win win lose lose and it keeps staying at a level and then suddenly crashes and you get 10 loses in a row and you're out. I don't know what to tell you, maybe play slower-paced games like poker or blackjack where you have some more time to think than in roulette or dice.

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I think you are trying to compare Live casino over provably fair games as against your winning and losing experience and based on your post, it appears as if you are also part of your challenge likewise most gamblers experience. So while gambling in whatever form, you have to understand that you are up against your luck and emotions. By the way gambling is meant to be for fun Grin

don't put all your financial hope on it. From your experience on your post, you are not forced to click on your mouse to play again and again on the provably fair but you wanted to chase your loses and that has been the debacle of gamblers. So learn to walk away sometimes whether you are winning or not, that will give you sometime to think whether playing in roulette, it is same thing. Some days are lucky days while somedays turn out to be very bad days.

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Live-casino is for people who are doubt provably-fair from machine betting.

Even there has some provably-fair or the game are being live, you always thinking are getting cheated at the time you are streak lose. Then, you feel beating the casino while you're on streak win. It's common sense.

However, no matter what games (Original game or live games). All betting are being designed for them to win, with house edge on the long term.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

Live casinos offers you a lot of betting options unlike provably fair games such as most of slots. That sudden high increase of bet is dangerous. I would not recommend that to anyone unless (s)he still has enough balance for possible recovery once you lose that wager. Just a back up fund.

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Quote from: cabron on April 20, 2023, 01:32:06 PM

I have the same issue. It gets good in a few hours, I just have to prepare my coffee and back and then lose the next rounds. It's the opposite of what you expect when you get excited. I close my eyes and remember the advice to stop when you're winning.

Your mind always just has the set up that you can't stop when you know you still didn't recover the money from your previous loss. Hard to learn when you have read all the advice and recommendations over and over yet you have not followed the advice.

It is very difficult to do it, I have experienced it too, when one gets closer to having a great profit and the first loss begins is when we must stop, but it is not like that, we insist because we always want more, I don't know if it is a good or bad thing As humans, we always look for the best, but in games you have to use reason more than let yourself be carried away by emotions, and that is something that translates into losing money and it is not pleasant. The best thing is to control yourself and see how you can do so as not to lose, and the solution is to withdraw when you have a profit, even if it is little.

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I have the same issue. It gets good in a few hours, I just have to prepare my coffee and back and then lose the next rounds. It's the opposite of what you expect when you get excited. I close my eyes and remember the advice to stop when you're winning.

Your mind always just has the set up that you can't stop when you know you still didn't recover the money from your previous loss. Hard to learn when you have read all the advice and recommendations over and over yet you have not followed the advice.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

well the question here is how many people deposit money into the casino and play and then come out with a profit and play again and come back out with a profit to the point where they are constantly making profits? because from what I see, everyone knows that in gambling the purpose is to lose money and just look at it as fun, it is not profitable either in the short term or in the long term to play in casinos, we play with the only objective: to have fun. by that I mean that what happens to you is something that happens to everyone, when you put money in the casino it's always good to keep in mind that it's money lost and you should never chase losses in games of chance, that's a very wrong mistake. serious that leads to addiction

Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

my question for you: when you play at the live casino do you have good results often? and when I talk about good results I often mean making a deposit and playing and leaving with a profit constantly, because in my opinion the moment you put money in the casino we have to look at that money as lost, because in the end we will lose the money, the casino is not a place to make profits, it's a place for people to play for fun only

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I honestly don't think there's THAT much of a difference, it's just you being taken in by greed in the first scenario imo, regardless of whether there was "time" given to you or not. In those cases where I do feel like I'm being impulsive, I tend to throw (and yes I've replaced my mouse quite a few times now) my mouse the hell away from me, just to make me go over and pick it up. More than enough time to think through whether to continue or not. Ofc it depends from person to person, but it's up to you yourself really to set it up in the first place.

Now to compare, I'd probably still go for provably fair. I'm just more used to it, and I don't think I've had that "unfair" experience, whatever it is that others actually do experience.

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Quote from: tusandii on April 20, 2023, 05:34:21 AM

If you can take advantage of the 15-second delay before the ball is spun to do a brief analysis in order to get the right number or color prediction, then luck could be on your side and give you victory.

So that the casino will not manipulate? If there is manipulation, it would be more complex than that. As for me, I bet anytime and I do win or lose. What you will take is what you will take.

Quote from: ufaiz50 on April 20, 2023, 05:43:18 AM

I think we are the same, I realized sometimes when I play provably fair games I lose more rather than the live casino. But what I don't like about the live casino is that they have a minimum bet and sometimes it is really high but there are some gambling providers that keeps the minimum to very low and that's what i like to play with.

Did you mean the minimum amount of money that you can use to bet on roulette? I have been using as low as $0.1 on casinos to bet games like Roulettes and this makes it fun because you can use very low amount of money at every round you want to bet. Where I know the minimum amount can be $1 or more for minimum bet are sport betting.

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I think we are the same, I realized sometimes when I play provably fair games I lose more rather than the live casino. But what I don't like about the live casino is that they have a minimum bet and sometimes it is really high but there are some gambling providers that keeps the minimum to very low and that's what i like to play with.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

If you can take advantage of the 15-second delay before the ball is spun to do a brief analysis in order to get the right number or color prediction, then luck could be on your side and give you victory.
Regarding whether you are being tricked or not, it all depends on your assumptions and when you lose more often, you will definitely be sure to think that the dealer has been deceived and vice versa, if you get a win, the assumption of fair play will also come to your mind.
Whether the game is fair or not, as long as you can take advantage of it every time and can play well, you can feel comfortable without having to think about fairness or cheating.

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Live casino or not it all depends on how the casino works, but we need to know casinos are not going to give their gamblers a lot of money, so whether it's live gambling or not there must be something to play, but I'm not going to accuse it of being speculation and unbeknownst to me , after all, I have never played roulette directly, because of course our eyes watch whether they will play unfairly or not.

I have never tried playing direct gambling, there is also a live blackjack game, but I'm not sure I can win money from live gambling, because I believe that winning is not only talking about money and profits but managing to control myself in playing, for example when you lose when gambling should not continue the game because it will continue to make you lose so stop and play tomorrow , the more you can control yourself it will help you prevent from losing a lot of money , I can not say live gambling is a game of fair chance because I never try playing there.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I don't think live casino is rigged especially if it comes from a reputable source. you said that there is a 15 sec gap every spin but have you forgot that the provably fair roulette won't star if you don't click "roll" it means you have more than 15 seconds to think or size your bets but maybe what you are thinking is the autobet? I think there's a gambling site that is provably fair and also there's a gap in every spins.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

Posting this thread and asking this question makes it ironic due to this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62117652 same thread of yours that exposes cheat on live roulette. I don't know what you are trying to achieve by making 2 contradictory threads but the answer to your question lies in your trust towards the game provider that you are using. It's like the Schrödinger cat experiment. Both possibilities exist until you experienced first hand whether the casino is rigged or not. More importantly is your having fun with your gambling experience rather than worrying if the casino games are rigged or not because we don't have enough choice since the casino uses the same provider for all of their games.

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There is one big lesson to learn while gambling, whenever you lose money do not try to get it back, doing so will leave you with 0 balance and you will walk away with nothing, when you win be bold enough to can it a quit, leave for the day and try your luck another day. Also, know when to stop if all you getting that day is losses, yea, as a gambler you need to have your daily gambling limit, and if you lost the limit, take your leave.

Setting rules for yourself is discipline, and this will reduce the risk of even losing more money.

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Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

When I was addicted, this did happened to me. I play daily and I did noticed I was winning in the morning, but later lose the money at evening or night. Also the week can be good, but the weekend will go bad.

If you have such issue, why not just win little and stop gambling for that day? It is better that way.

Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

We have to be disciplined while gambling for us to not lose control. If you lose, you should stop gambling that day. If you lose too much, you should just stop gambling for that week or more, but best not to go beyond the budget which should be small amount of money and in a way you can lose it and not thinking about it because you can afford to lose such amount.

Quote from: cafter on April 20, 2023, 02:36:27 AM

and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

I do not know how rigging can be done with roulette because people are selecting different odd types. If rigging is possible, you should know through your winning or loss. If you play like 3 to 5 times, you should have won at least once, and as you continue to play, you should feel that the casino are manipulating or not. But I do not think a trustworthy casino can do that because even as they do everything fairly, punters still lose than win overall, only the experienced gamblers win than lose, and they are the type that do not gamble much.

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I don't know why but i mostly lose on provably fair, when start betting then some times the graph stay green, after betting some more bets it become red and go straight down, draining my balance.

and in provably fair once we lose more then 10% of balance then, then we start to revenge gambling to recover our loses, while recovering we are unable to think by waiting some times, we think like my profit is only one click away, then clicking and clicking then increasing bet size and blowing account.
I know this case is not for everyone, but in gambling most of players comes on that phase! we can not control and wait and think to recover that loss tomorrow because we can profit in just a one mouse click.

while in live casino, like playing roulette there is 15sec gap in every spin, in that 15sec i can think something, or sizing bets and close my gambling session for that day.
and also live casino's dealer is front of me i can see we are cheated or not, but i don't know if they use rigged roulette or not.

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