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Quote from: Timelord2067 on July 02, 2020, 12:19:12 AM

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Very interesting observation. I wouldn't say it's solid but definitely suspicious. Should we expect finalshot to also ask for a loan soon? Grin

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Quote from: Maus0728 on July 02, 2020, 11:04:30 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on July 02, 2020, 12:32:42 AM

I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

Do we need to publicly announce this issue in our local board to at least get some help in order in order to notify coins.ph immediately? I still have our conversation in telegram.

I am willing to create a thread with regards to this issue Cry

. I feel sad that it had come to this point.

Judging on the intensity of the crime he commit here. I believe creating new thread on our local board might help us to get more lead about TYM. I believe he interact a lot of Filipino user in our local board. Raising this issue there is relevant since he was our countrymen and we should act accordingly to sue this guy.

Given that this guy was very talented. He can farm again new account to rank up, build reputation and repeat this scenario again. This is really alarming and I believe he still own alt account that has a solid reputation in the forum.

If coinsph can do that then why not. It will be a good response to at least prevent from happening again.

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It was stated in several places in the forum that TYM was heavily active in the Philippines local board.

If he happily destroyed his reputation for the sake of the defaulted loan amount then without doubt it would not take him too long before managed to build up other alt-accounts for the very same purpose. For all we know he already using his other accounts to get to a level of trustworthiness where a loan can be asked before he defaults again.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on July 02, 2020, 11:04:30 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on July 02, 2020, 12:32:42 AM

I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

Do we need to publicly announce this issue in our local board to at least get some help in order in order to notify coins.ph immediately? I still have our conversation in telegram.

I am willing to create a thread with regards to this issue Cry

. I feel sad that it had come to this point.

Judging on the intensity of the crime he commit here. I believe creating new thread on our local board might help us to get more lead about TYM. I believe he interact a lot of Filipino user in our local board. Raising this issue there is relevant since he was our countrymen and we should act accordingly to sue this guy.

Given that this guy was very talented. He can farm again new account to rank up, build reputation and repeat this scenario again. This is really alarming and I believe he still own alt account that has a solid reputation in the forum.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on July 02, 2020, 11:04:30 AM

Quote from: Coin_trader on July 02, 2020, 12:32:42 AM

I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

Do we need to publicly announce this issue in our local board to at least get some help in order in order to notify coins.ph immediately? I still have our conversation in telegram.

I am willing to create a thread with regards to this issue Cry

. I feel sad that it had come to this point.

Judging on the intensity of the crime he commit here. I believe creating new thread on our local board might help us to get more lead about TYM. I believe he interact a lot of Filipino user in our local board. Raising this issue there is relevant since he was our countrymen and we should act accordingly to sue this guy.

Given that this guy was very talented. He can farm again new account to rank up, build reputation and repeat this scenario again. This is really alarming and I believe he still own alt account that has a solid reputation in the forum.

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Quote from: Coin_trader on July 02, 2020, 12:32:42 AM

I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

Do we need to publicly announce this issue in our local board to at least get some help in order in order to notify coins.ph immediately? I still have our conversation in telegram.

I am willing to create a thread with regards to this issue Cry

. I feel sad that it had come to this point.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on March 27, 2020, 02:30:10 AM

It really has a big difference compared to the money you lent to TYM and It is just a small fraction of bitcoin as stated in the above reply to LogitechMouse. I don't think filing a police report is a good idea with that amount of money.

This is the address he used for receiving my BTC: 35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
Reference id: 44f882d9bc7d

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
In his address, there are total of 155 transactions.

We've used coins.ph in making this transaction.

This time around. I want to help DireWolfM14

This might be a lead to sue him. If ever there is a transaction from his wallet address that he used to borrow money and the coins.ph address above, You can file a police report using that evidence. Combining the total amount that he loans here are worthy to sue him. I'm willing to help the OP if he wants to push on filing the case. I believe we can forced coins.ph to disclosed the user identity if we have a court order for the case. Many ponzi scammer before that been arrested using there coins.ph account and I believe coins.ph are cooperating if ever there is an ongoing investigation from one of there user.

The only problem is that most the judiciary branch in PH are closed due to pandemic. It will take some time to reopen again.

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This is only an observation:

jademaxsuy is begging for merits in this thread.

Having looked at his DT trust list, I noticed this:

http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-16_Sat_13.06h/1788599.html (Week 05)

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Trust list for: jademaxsuy (12 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-02-16_Sat_13.06h)
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jademaxsuy Trusts:
Removed ~~theyoungmillionaire (578 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)~~

jademaxsuy Distrusts:
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jademaxsuy is Trusted by:
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~jademaxsuy is Distrusted by:
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Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
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The very next week - http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-25_Mon_21.39h/1788599.html Week 06 this happened:

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Trust list for: jademaxsuy (12 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-02-25_Mon_21.39h)
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jademaxsuy Trusts:
1. finaleshot2016 (163 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. crwth (78 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)

jademaxsuy Distrusts:
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jademaxsuy is Trusted by:
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~jademaxsuy is Distrusted by:
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Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

jademaxsuy removes his trust in theyoungmillionaire and the very next week trusts finaleshot2016 who like theyoungmillionaire changes their password in a 24 hour period.

theyoungmillionaire's top two users to send merits to are jademaxsuy and crwth

jade's top merit receiver is tym:

Two of crwth's top four merit recipients are TYM and jade:

Further reviewing crwth's subsequent trust list inclusions by others, there are a number of other UID's who also do merit back-scratching with TYM.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on June 26, 2020, 07:55:34 PM

Has anyone reached out to any of these people? There's still a DT1 in the list (and they're active on the Forum as we speak)

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Trust list for: theyoungmillionaire (Trust: !!!: +6 / =0 / -21) (1013 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-20_Sat_05.04h)
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He has much more DT1-exclusions than inclusions already, but his sent feedback is still valid, right? I can understand why some people don't exclude him. Even though he can't be trusted with money, his past judgement on others is still good. It would be a different story if he started leaving incorrect ratings now, but he hasn't even been online anymore.

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Quote from: Timelord2067 on June 26, 2020, 07:55:34 PM

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It's not that I am curious but I assume that they are two different people. In fact, I've had conversation to both of them; the way how they compose their messages, how they reply to my queries, their tones and personal background are distinctive.

I am not sure though, maybe @finaleshot2016 could clarify this. Anyhow, what is the status of this defaulted loan? I haven't heard from TYM in almost 5 months now Sad

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Has anyone reached out to any of these people? There's still a DT1 in the list (and they're active on the Forum as we speak)

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Trust list for: theyoungmillionaire (Trust: !!!: +6 / =0 / -21) (1013 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2020-06-20_Sat_05.04h)
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theyoungmillionaire's judgement is Trusted by:
1. TMAN (Trust: +28 / =1 / -3) (1303 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. Innocant (Trust: neutral) (9 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. lienfaye (Trust: neutral) (23 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. finaleshot2016 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 767 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. Squishy01 (Trust: neutral) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. GDragon (Trust: neutral) (117 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. eldrin (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (38 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. yazher (Trust: neutral) (472 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. Silent26 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. creeps (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. LogitechMouse (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (233 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. Maus0728 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (588 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. nakamura12 (Trust: neutral) (210 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. Strufmbae (Trust: neutral) (20 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. twiki (Trust: neutral) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

The DT1 on this list has also swapped 40+ merits each way between the two of them.

Interestingly enough both changed their passwords on the same day:

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Chances is that if he finds himself good in what he is doing then he'd be doing it over again. He is fond translating tutorials and articles into Filipino like this one http://archive.is/wip/mGl7E

He could be using this technique still to earn merits and rank his new account.

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that guy is secretly fishing for merit on the time that he is still a Member rank. too bad that i cleared our convo back then

i'm also secretly being bitter on his merit count and thought of one day he will make a shady action

i hope you already looking forward and moved on on what happened to you

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I knew about TYM because for a long time ago (before the loan default) he was likely a great user on the forum. From my memory, his post activities started to decrease since the second half of 2019.

For the OP story, it's sad to know that your loan defaulted but would you mind sharing how many rounds of loan TYM made deal from you, before the last defaulted one, please.

Your lending service is one of the best ones on the forum, I know it but it makes me shocked, honestly because accepting a loan with nearly 0.4 BTC is a big one from my opinion.

Anyway, I supported your flag and hope that TYM will come back (if he got troubles and he was still a good guy he will come back to make his loan repayments when his troubles solved).

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on March 26, 2020, 09:20:51 AM

Quote from: Maus0728 on March 25, 2020, 08:52:03 AM

I just can't take this because I also lent him my personal money Cry

that is my allowance and it's a lot for me as a student.

You're a student and yet you got a huge money already but you didn't handle it properly and got baited by this user Sad

. Feel bad for you though.

Yes, I am still a college student. As for you guys it is not that huge amount of money and will not regret if I will gonna lose it. But the fact that I gave my trust to someone whom I considered brother for long time is big deal. That money comes from my 4 week allowance which I used in buying bitcoin for long term hold, but I decided to lend him that money because I just wanted to help as it will help me too because he promised me to pay it back with an interest at a given date. It happened already and I don't have anything else to do here!. I just hope that he's okay for the sake of DireWolfM14

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on March 26, 2020, 09:30:27 AM

I'm sorry I missed this, and sorry for your loss. How much did you lend to him? Do you have any evidence, or chat logs? If so feel free to post them here. I also suggest you file a police report.

It really has a big difference compared to the money you lent to TYM and It is just a small fraction of bitcoin as stated in the above reply to LogitechMouse. I don't think filing a police report is a good idea with that amount of money.

This is the address he used for receiving my BTC: 35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
Reference id: 44f882d9bc7d

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/35jR51b4MRoULgKwBD8sRXq8JnP4iG3vvz
In his address, there are total of 155 transactions.

We've used coins.ph in making this transaction.

This time around. I want to help DireWolfM14

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Holy. Just saw this thread from our local section. Now this is a scam accusation I wouldn't expect.

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Quote from: AlexSimion on March 19, 2020, 01:52:48 PM

Pretty confused thought the loan defaulter was from Phillipines , but apparently he's romanian.

I'm pretty sure he's from the philippines. Scrolling through his post history there's lots and lots of posts posted in filipino.

I don't see any posts in Romanian. His personal text seems to be referring, although a bit cryptic, to "Enisala Fortress"; whatever that may mean.

It's interesting though, why that sockpuppet would post such a post in "Romanian". Perhaps a native speaker could tell us if that sentence is google-translated.

I've checked his posting history aswell today due to his personal text , also Enisala Fortress reffers to the ruins of an medieval fortress located around 2 km close to a city called Enisala in the SE of Romania.

There's always the possibility of him being able to speak filipino aswell , or native Phillipines living in Romania etc.

If 1010matt will share more info about it , I might be able to help you DireWolfM14 to recover your money , since I'm living somewhat close-by.

Chatted the dude a few times in the past concerning Bitcoin, exchanges, hardware wallets, and banks; and I can confirm that it's highly likely that this dude is a Filipino local. Though I really can't 100% guarantee it, if you've lived in the Philippines for a decade, you'd automatically assume that he's a local because of the way he phrases and expresses things because of the local lingo.

One thing I can say about him though, is that this dude is quite serious concerning his personal privacy and mentioned it early on even though I didn't even make any attempts in knowing who he is in person(I mean, I wasn't interested in the first place anyway). Taking personal privacy extra seriously is definitely not a bad thing though(in fact, a good thing). Just thought I'd mention this here.

Anyway, best of luck moving forward to DireWolfM14 and others.

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Considering how many people here seemed to know him in the fillipino community most likely there's someone who has more info on his real identity , I think these people should come forward already .

Now I'm more curious on what happened with this guy :

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Dai bani lui DireWolfM14! la urmatoarea postare pun poza cu tine iar la a doua addresa si nume. Undecided

I see his post got deleted/got nuked Huh

Or did he delete it by himself ? Maybe he was infact theyoungmillionaire ? And tryed to throw us of his trail ? Same as with the personal text on his profile ?

theyoungmillionaire apparently has made some fiat to btc deals with user https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/crwth-914465 and https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sheenshane-1179651 on the forum in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49868494

Considering that fiat was involved you might get some leeds on his identity.

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Quote from: Maus0728 on March 25, 2020, 08:52:03 AM

I just can't take this because I also lent him my personal money Cry

that is my allowance and it's a lot for me as a student.

I'm sorry I missed this, and sorry for your loss. How much did you lend to him? Do you have any evidence, or chat logs? If so feel free to post them here. I also suggest you file a police report.

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To be honest, i think the mistake the OP made giving him loan while he's yet to repay the previous one and business doesn't work like that or else the business may crumble or situation like this will always occur. It will be nice if the loan service provider could use the rules of not giving another loan if the previous is not pay no matter the status of the user account.

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on March 26, 2020, 07:55:02 AM

To be honest, i think the mistake the OP made giving him loan while he's yet to repay the previous one and business doesn't work like that or else the business may crumble or situation like this will always occur. It will be nice if the loan service provider could use the rules of not giving another loan if the previous is not pay no matter the status of the user account.

The fact that theyoungmillionaire is a reputable, trusted and a helpful user here in the forum made the OP give him a loan even though his previous loans wasn't paid yet but anyways, it happened already and we can't do anything about it unless he will come back here and pay which is I think........

Quote from: LoyceV on March 24, 2020, 10:08:12 AM

I don't think his plan was to scam when he started, but if he was trying to pay back one loan by taking another, my guess is he has more debts elsewhere too. That could put his total debt far above an (average) annual salary where he lives, and my guess is his debt on Bitcointalk is a lot easier to walk away from than debts he took in real life.

Since we are anonymous here or should I say we didn't share any of our personal information here, yes it is easier to walk away with his loans here than in real life.
My theory is that he had full of debts in real life since he is a businessman/failed trader (I hate to say failed but I think he is though) and he used and abused his reputation here and get many loans from the OP.

Quote from: Maus0728 on March 25, 2020, 08:52:03 AM

I just can't take this because I also lent him my personal money Cry

that is my allowance and it's a lot for me as a student.

You're a student and yet you got a huge money already but you didn't handle it properly and got baited by this user Sad

. Feel bad for you though.

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Quote from: LoyceV on March 24, 2020, 10:08:12 AM

I don't think his plan was to scam when he started, but if he was trying to pay back one loan by taking another, my guess is he has more debts elsewhere too. That could put his total debt far above an (average) annual salary where he lives, and my guess is his debt on Bitcointalk is a lot easier to walk away from than debts he took in real life.

I think you are right, I bet that he is heavily in debt to some of the manufacturers he make contact with. As far as I remember, he is communicating to 6 manufacturers in building his products. And there is a greater chance he has more debt in real world other than this.

This is his estimation for product pricing.

Aside from his loan to DireWolf, he said that he needed more amount of BTC to fund his ongoing business

I just can't take this because I also lent him my personal money Cry

that is my allowance and it's a lot for me as a student.

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Which is why it was really important for him to have had the courtesy to at least reply and explain the extent of any issues he was going through to the person that was kind enough to lend him BTC without collateral in the first place. Had theyoungmillionaire been proactive enough to stay in contact with DireWolfM14 then maybe he would not have raised it as a concern for another month or two and who knows by then maybe he could have found himself in a better position to repay the loan.

I cannot say either way if theyoungmillionaire created his account with the long term goal to scam because it seems looking through his posts he had repaid at least one loan in June 2019 of 0.0275BTC which includind interest: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51430170

Quote from: LoyceV on March 24, 2020, 10:08:12 AM

I don't think his plan was to scam when he started, but if he was trying to pay back one loan by taking another, my guess is he has more debts elsewhere too. That could put his total debt far above an (average) annual salary where he lives, and my guess is his debt on Bitcointalk is a lot easier to walk away from than debts he took in real life.

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