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October 14, 2014, 01:10:19 AM
#86

The collateral you are offering is title to vehicles and most people on here have zero experience repoing a vehicle nor do they understand the costs and risks associated with accepting a vehicle (title) as collateral. If people do not understand the risks and costs associated with something they will not get involved in it.

Even if your identity is in fact yours, it does not mean anything as the identity of a dead beat is worth very little to anyone.


So now I am a dead beat?    Again, I believe I have proven my identity better than anyone here.   I asked if you knew of anyone who has done a better job of proving their identity, and so far you have produced so subjects.   But to imply that I am a dead beat?
A dead beat who can prove to be a successful business owner, and a dead beat who can prove that he has the deed to his house.
I pay my bills.  Im no deat beat.



Vod keeps insisting on offering collateral.   I have offered MUCH collateral.   I think it is a very useful invention for someone to create a surefire way of offering coin loans on titles, and there is a demand out there as I have demonstrated in my past posts.

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I think your collateral offerings have been lost in the slew of posts.  It might be best if you create a new thread, list what you want and list your collateral exactly, keeping in mind what is and is not proper.  Collateral must be in-hand.  


I will even offer to hold your LTC (I charge a 1% escrow fee) and then I can state that you have so much in collateral.  Then you can get your loan and still keep your LTC.

I think he wants to keep his LTC in his possession/control instead of giving it to an escrow/risking that it be lost in the event he defaults
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No, I want to keep my operating capital for business operations, not "in case I default".   LOL
My business operates on coin.  From the Bitcoin ATM, to accepting payments via coinbase.

It's like the example of the burger joint that I used earlier.   If my buddy asked me "hey man, can you lend me $5 so that I can buy a burger"?   I wouldn't even think to asked him  "Only if you will secure the loan with $5".  
I may ask him for his lucky charm, or something.   But I wouldn't loan him something, to be secured by the exact same thing.  ROFL   makes no sense.

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October 14, 2014, 01:08:57 AM
#85
VOD does not give 2 shits if people get scammed, he only wants the bitcoin price to rise so he can get rich. He is a greedy uneducated immature fat old guy who spends 90% of his time harassing people on this forum. I'd say someone will be putting a bounty on his head one day. Watch out VOD Smiley

And to slu2 I think your a great entrepreneur and fair play to you, wishing you all the best with your business Smiley
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October 14, 2014, 12:54:27 AM
#84
You are not asking for a SBA loan. You are asking for a loan that will be given in a way such that it will be very difficult to force you to pay the lender back. It is not a guarantee that the ID documents provided to BTC jam are yours nor is it a guarantee that the other various accounts you used to 'verify' your identity were not purchased/stolen/hacked.

Even if the identity information does belong to you it is not cost efficient for lenders to go after you in court in the event you do not pay as most lenders only lend a very small amount. The result is that the only real consequence to you not paying your loan will be that a bunch of people who will never meet you will know that you are a deadbeat.

The most common form of equity that a business owner will have will be in the form of assets, either inventory (as mentioned above) or assets that help you produce income (a taxi for example if you own a taxi service) or assets that help you produce your product (like a factory). Owner's of a small business very rarely have equity in the form of cash.

If you are so willing to use the SBA as an argument as to why you should get this loan then I would suggest going to the SBA to apply for a loan from them.


I used the SBA structure as a compatible scenario is all.  I am trying to explain why giving away my operating capital to be held by the lender, to get a loan is counter productive is all, and this is a reason why it doesn't make sense for banks to penalize someone with operating capital.   People don't just get loans so that they can pay interest on what they already have.   I've never saw a loan work that way.

But I prefer coin.  As I stated, one of the major operating points in our business is our Bitcoin ATM.  

I have been buying and selling properties with Bitcoin and Litecoin for years.   My business is a Bitcoin base business.  So getting a bitcoin loan seems more fitting than a fiat loan.

If you look at my signature I am selling my 4 plex for coin as well.

As for verifying my identity.  Show me ANYONE here who has done more to verify their identity.
How many people have video recorded themselves at their place of employment?   How many have video recorded themselves at all?
How many have gotten verified at multiple different sources?   BTCJam verification is a little lenient, but ardveda is not.   Where I pay a $1 with my credit card, then look on my bank statements for a special code and verify it.   Send my ID, and video record myself with the ID.   Mailings to my home address, etc.     I mean ya it could possibly be faked, but it would be awfully difficult.
One guy on here has called and verified with my neighbors near my business, so far he has called two of them.  
I doubt anyone here has done more than me to verify their identity.

But you are right about it being difficult for someone to pursue legal action over $5000 worth of coin, or $5000 worth of anything.
It's a pretty tiny amount.

If people don't feel comfortable with what I have offered.  If people don't want to take collateral that I have offered for the loan.   If it over all just doesn't seem worth it, for whatever reason.  Well, then they will move on to something else that is worth their time.

But I have done my best to make this secure and beneficial for everyone.   Vod keeps insisting on offering collateral.   I have offered MUCH collateral.   I think it is a very useful invention for someone to create a surefire way of offering coin loans on titles, and there is a demand out there as I have demonstrated in my past posts.


The collateral you are offering is title to vehicles and most people on here have zero experience repoing a vehicle nor do they understand the costs and risks associated with accepting a vehicle (title) as collateral. If people do not understand the risks and costs associated with something they will not get involved in it.

You are incorrect to say that it does not make sense for a person to go after you for $5,000 as this is not true. If you owe someone $5,000 your case would probably not even be eligible for small claims court. Credit card companies, and other lenders will routinely go after deadbeats for this amount and less. The problem is that you are not borrowing $5,000 from someone. You are borrowing much smaller amounts from several people that will add up to $5,000. There is no efficient way for all these lenders to act as a group to attempt to recover their money. As of ~a hour ago, the most someone has offered to lend you is .1 BTC which is worth roughly $40, this is an amount that would certainly not be worth going after someone for.

Even if your identity is in fact yours, it does not mean anything as the identity of a dead beat is worth very little to anyone.

Vod keeps insisting on offering collateral.   I have offered MUCH collateral.   I think it is a very useful invention for someone to create a surefire way of offering coin loans on titles, and there is a demand out there as I have demonstrated in my past posts.

I think your collateral offerings have been lost in the slew of posts.  It might be best if you create a new thread, list what you want and list your collateral exactly, keeping in mind what is and is not proper.  Collateral must be in-hand.  

I will even offer to hold your LTC (I charge a 1% escrow fee) and then I can state that you have so much in collateral.  Then you can get your loan and still keep your LTC.
I think he wants to keep his LTC in his possession/control instead of giving it to an escrow/risking that it be lost in the event he defaults
Vod
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October 14, 2014, 12:53:57 AM
#83
Proving that I have control over a wallet would be easier, and cheaper, if at the end I still keep the LTC.  

That doesn't work.  Your LTC would not be "in-hand", so it would not be collateral.   Undecided
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October 14, 2014, 12:51:15 AM
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Vod keeps insisting on offering collateral.   I have offered MUCH collateral.   I think it is a very useful invention for someone to create a surefire way of offering coin loans on titles, and there is a demand out there as I have demonstrated in my past posts.

I think your collateral offerings have been lost in the slew of posts.  It might be best if you create a new thread, list what you want and list your collateral exactly, keeping in mind what is and is not proper.  Collateral must be in-hand.  

I will even offer to hold your LTC (I charge a 1% escrow fee) and then I can state that you have so much in collateral.  Then you can get your loan and still keep your LTC.

Proving that I have control over a wallet would be easier, and cheaper, if at the end I still keep the LTC.  
I don't have $5000 worth of LTC, as I state earlier I have several hundred LTC.  

The other property that I have to offer can even be found in my signature.   I can offer a lien on that 4 plex in my signature for a loan sizing between $30k USD and 50k USD.

I have a few really nice SUV's.    One of them is for sale in my newspaper, the Chevy Tahoe;   http://www.clovisstar.com/the-clovis-star-quarterly/

I can offer a lien on that, or even easier, someone could hold the title.
Vod
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October 14, 2014, 12:42:28 AM
#81
Vod keeps insisting on offering collateral.   I have offered MUCH collateral.   I think it is a very useful invention for someone to create a surefire way of offering coin loans on titles, and there is a demand out there as I have demonstrated in my past posts.

I think your collateral offerings have been lost in the slew of posts.  It might be best if you create a new thread, list what you want and list your collateral exactly, keeping in mind what is and is not proper.  Collateral must be in-hand. 

I will even offer to hold your LTC (I charge a 1% escrow fee) and then I can state that you have so much in collateral.  Then you can get your loan and still keep your LTC.
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October 14, 2014, 12:36:27 AM
#80
You are not asking for a SBA loan. You are asking for a loan that will be given in a way such that it will be very difficult to force you to pay the lender back. It is not a guarantee that the ID documents provided to BTC jam are yours nor is it a guarantee that the other various accounts you used to 'verify' your identity were not purchased/stolen/hacked.

Even if the identity information does belong to you it is not cost efficient for lenders to go after you in court in the event you do not pay as most lenders only lend a very small amount. The result is that the only real consequence to you not paying your loan will be that a bunch of people who will never meet you will know that you are a deadbeat.

The most common form of equity that a business owner will have will be in the form of assets, either inventory (as mentioned above) or assets that help you produce income (a taxi for example if you own a taxi service) or assets that help you produce your product (like a factory). Owner's of a small business very rarely have equity in the form of cash.

If you are so willing to use the SBA as an argument as to why you should get this loan then I would suggest going to the SBA to apply for a loan from them.

I used the SBA structure as a compatible scenario is all.  I am trying to explain why giving away my operating capital to be held by the lender, to get a loan is counter productive is all, and this is a reason why it doesn't make sense for banks to penalize someone with operating capital.   People don't just get loans so that they can pay interest on what they already have.   I've never saw a loan work that way.

But I prefer coin.  As I stated, one of the major operating points in our business is our Bitcoin ATM.  

I have been buying and selling properties with Bitcoin and Litecoin for years.   My business is a Bitcoin base business.  So getting a bitcoin loan seems more fitting than a fiat loan.

If you look at my signature I am selling my 4 plex for coin as well.

As for verifying my identity.  Show me ANYONE here who has done more to verify their identity.
How many people have video recorded themselves at their place of employment?   How many have video recorded themselves at all?
How many have gotten verified at multiple different sources?   BTCJam verification is a little lenient, but ardveda is not.   Where I pay a $1 with my credit card, then look on my bank statements for a special code and verify it.   Send my ID, and video record myself with the ID.   Mailings to my home address, etc.     I mean ya it could possibly be faked, but it would be awfully difficult.
One guy on here has called and verified with my neighbors near my business, so far he has called two of them.  
I doubt anyone here has done more than me to verify their identity.

But you are right about it being difficult for someone to pursue legal action over $5000 worth of coin, or $5000 worth of anything.
It's a pretty tiny amount.

If people don't feel comfortable with what I have offered.  If people don't want to take collateral that I have offered for the loan.   If it over all just doesn't seem worth it, for whatever reason.  Well, then they will move on to something else that is worth their time.

But I have done my best to make this secure and beneficial for everyone.   Vod keeps insisting on offering collateral.   I have offered MUCH collateral.   I think it is a very useful invention for someone to create a surefire way of offering coin loans on titles, and there is a demand out there as I have demonstrated in my past posts.

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October 13, 2014, 11:57:57 PM
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You are not asking for a SBA loan. You are asking for a loan that will be given in a way such that it will be very difficult to force you to pay the lender back. It is not a guarantee that the ID documents provided to BTC jam are yours nor is it a guarantee that the other various accounts you used to 'verify' your identity were not purchased/stolen/hacked.

Even if the identity information does belong to you it is not cost efficient for lenders to go after you in court in the event you do not pay as most lenders only lend a very small amount. The result is that the only real consequence to you not paying your loan will be that a bunch of people who will never meet you will know that you are a deadbeat.

The most common form of equity that a business owner will have will be in the form of assets, either inventory (as mentioned above) or assets that help you produce income (a taxi for example if you own a taxi service) or assets that help you produce your product (like a factory). Owner's of a small business very rarely have equity in the form of cash.

If you are so willing to use the SBA as an argument as to why you should get this loan then I would suggest going to the SBA to apply for a loan from them.
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October 13, 2014, 11:45:40 PM
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This is not true. If a bank sees that you have enough unencumbered cash in hand to pay for your project then they will question why you need the loan just as people are questioning you here. If your LTC is not earning interest (it isn't) but you will pay interest on your BTC loan, then there is no rational reason to borrow money unless you do not plan on repaying.

The reason people take out collateral loans is because they hold an altcoin they think will rise in the future and do not want to sell right away but still need cash. They do not intend to use the altcoin in order to repay the loan.

A bank will look at your future cash flow to determine your ability to repay the loan, not your cash in hand. A company will generally spend their cash in hand on inventory or other investments and most efficient companies will hold as little cash as they can get away with holding.


The SBA and other business funding sources disagree.   Operating capital counts and equity, and equity is a good thing in relationship to an SBA loan.   How many business fail, that start without operating capital?    Operating capital is essential to a business's survival.

I wouldn't even be in business if I didn't have operating capital.   I wouldn't use my operating capital to secure a loan for a sign, because then I wouldn't have my operating capital, rather I would have to spend the money that I borrowed to buy a sign, on basic operations.  


http://www.sba.gov/content/borrowing-money

"If your LTC is not earning interest (it isn't) but you will pay interest on your BTC loan, then there is no rational reason to borrow money unless you do not plan on repaying. "

Part of what I use my coin for, or what I intend to use my current coin for, is my ATM machine.

Ref;   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9FGBNzfquM

Without coin to dispense, the ATM doesn't work




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October 13, 2014, 11:03:10 PM
#77

If you have all this LTC then why are you wanting to borrow BTC in the first place? Wouldn't it make more since to just sell the LTC and use those proceeds to fund your project, especially considering that you are planning on using the LTC to make loan payments


See that is what a loan is about, in my case.  Maybe not everyone operates this way.    But I won't borrow money, unless I have operating capital for paying the loan back.      For example a business may go into a bank and apply for a SBA Loan.  The bank will consider their amount of operating capital already in one of their accounts as favorable.   Typically a bank would not penalize someone for having operating capital, but the oposite.   

I have plenty of LTC, and I have a Terminator A2 60 Mh/s miner.   Combining that with my rental income and business income, I have what I need.   But I would like to buy the sign for our business now, and still have operating capital.   Without the loan, our sign will have to wait.   We will still open on October 20th, but without a sign.   Which, it is what it is.
This is not true. If a bank sees that you have enough unencumbered cash in hand to pay for your project then they will question why you need the loan just as people are questioning you here. If your LTC is not earning interest (it isn't) but you will pay interest on your BTC loan, then there is no rational reason to borrow money unless you do not plan on repaying.

The reason people take out collateral loans is because they hold an altcoin they think will rise in the future and do not want to sell right away but still need cash. They do not intend to use the altcoin in order to repay the loan.

A bank will look at your future cash flow to determine your ability to repay the loan, not your cash in hand. A company will generally spend their cash in hand on inventory or other investments and most efficient companies will hold as little cash as they can get away with holding.
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October 13, 2014, 10:41:03 PM
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If you have all this LTC then why are you wanting to borrow BTC in the first place? Wouldn't it make more since to just sell the LTC and use those proceeds to fund your project, especially considering that you are planning on using the LTC to make loan payments


See that is what a loan is about, in my case.  Maybe not everyone operates this way.    But I won't borrow money, unless I have operating capital for paying the loan back.      For example a business may go into a bank and apply for a SBA Loan.  The bank will consider their amount of operating capital already in one of their accounts as favorable.   Typically a bank would not penalize someone for having operating capital, but the oposite.   

I have plenty of LTC, and I have a Terminator A2 60 Mh/s miner.   Combining that with my rental income and business income, I have what I need.   But I would like to buy the sign for our business now, and still have operating capital.   Without the loan, our sign will have to wait.   We will still open on October 20th, but without a sign.   Which, it is what it is.


As for the collateral question that Vod asks me about.   You wondered why I am posting here, since my ad is on BTCJam.   I am hopeful to find a person willing to fund the larger amount that I want, with the warranty deed to my income property as collateral. 

I've posted separate posts that I have suggested collateral as an option, like this;

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9113386


I have no problem securing a loan with valuable collateral.   I just need to find the right person to do it.   Or, BTCjam will come through without collateral.

I also think this would be a good challenge for the Bitcoin community to tackle. 
Companies that loan fiat do micro loans based on collateral, Bitcoin can do it too.


This is a post that I have saw examples of this potential.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9113320
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October 13, 2014, 05:42:01 PM
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And I do have several hundred LTC.   I am keeping that, for loan repayment installments, while my investment comes to fruitation.

I will have no problem repaying the loan.   But I would be an idiot to give LTC as collateral, and pay interest on an equal amount of currency ...   

I have titles and deeds, and a good rating, and I have more than verified myself.   The loan will be repaid.   That has to be enough, or it doesn't matter.   If someone can find a method to make a title work, or a deed, PM me.
If you have all this LTC then why are you wanting to borrow BTC in the first place? Wouldn't it make more since to just sell the LTC and use those proceeds to fund your project, especially considering that you are planning on using the LTC to make loan payments
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October 13, 2014, 05:38:40 PM
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You understand you aren't going to get your funding here, right?  You don't have proper collateral. 


Im pretty explicit in where I am attempting to acquire funding from.

So why are you posting here?
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October 13, 2014, 05:36:57 PM
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And I do have several hundred LTC.   I am keeping that, for loan repayment installments, while my investment comes to fruitation.

I will have no problem repaying the loan.   But I would be an idiot to give LTC as collateral, and pay interest on an equal amount of currency ...   

I have titles and deeds, and a good rating, and I have more than verified myself.   The loan will be repaid.   That has to be enough, or it doesn't matter.   If someone can find a method to make a title work, or a deed, PM me.
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October 13, 2014, 05:29:54 PM
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Why would you use a car title and not Litecoins? Either way, if you're planning on paying back the loan, you get your collateral back...just as nobody would sell your car form under you within the duration of the loan, the same thing- nobody would sell your LTC from under you within the duration of the loan. As long as you plan on paying back, there is no difference.


The point is, that Litecoin is like bitcoin, and easy to convert.

If I have $5000 worth of Litecoin to give as collateral, why would I need a $5000 bitcoin loan?

It's like this.  Two guys go in to a burger joint.  One guy asks the other guy  "Hey man, can you lend me $5 so that I can buy a burger"?

What if the other guy said to him   "Sure I'll loan you $5 to get a burger, but I'll need $5 to use as collateral".   Why would anyone give $5 in currency, to secure a loan of equal value in similar currency? 

It perplexes me that anyone would even do this?


Or if I went to a bank and said  "I need to borrow $5000" and the bank said  "Sure, as long as you have $5000 to secure the loan with, no problem".  WTF?

If I had $5000 to secure a loan with, why would I pay you interest to loan me something that I already have?
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October 13, 2014, 03:35:15 PM
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We are still attempting to acquire funding.  >  3days left  https://btcjam.com/listings/24011-operating-capital-for-a-new-profitable-retail-store--

You understand you aren't going to get your funding here, right?  You don't have proper collateral. 


Im pretty explicit in where I am attempting to acquire funding from.

As for having the proper collateral.  I have plenty of collateral.  Including Litecoin.   But Im not going to secure currency with currency.  That makes absolutely no sense.   If I have currency, why would I be asking to borrow currency?

I have car titles and real estate deeds.  If someone wants to try to make that work, i am more than willing to cooperate. 

Why would you use a car title and not Litecoins? Either way, if you're planning on paying back the loan, you get your collateral back...just as nobody would sell your car form under you within the duration of the loan, the same thing- nobody would sell your LTC from under you within the duration of the loan. As long as you plan on paying back, there is no difference.
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October 13, 2014, 12:47:18 PM
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We are still attempting to acquire funding.  >  3days left  https://btcjam.com/listings/24011-operating-capital-for-a-new-profitable-retail-store--

You understand you aren't going to get your funding here, right?  You don't have proper collateral. 


Im pretty explicit in where I am attempting to acquire funding from.

As for having the proper collateral.  I have plenty of collateral.  Including Litecoin.   But Im not going to secure currency with currency.  That makes absolutely no sense.   If I have currency, why would I be asking to borrow currency?

I have car titles and real estate deeds.  If someone wants to try to make that work, i am more than willing to cooperate. 

Vod
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October 13, 2014, 04:15:24 AM
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We are still attempting to acquire funding.  >  3days left  https://btcjam.com/listings/24011-operating-capital-for-a-new-profitable-retail-store--

You understand you aren't going to get your funding here, right?  You don't have proper collateral. 
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October 13, 2014, 03:04:36 AM
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I have isntalled an SSL for the website, and have opened the estore up for payments.
I had someone on bitcointalk tell me that they couldn't send a payment.  It's because paypal was in sandbox mode.
But Paypal and Coinbase is opened up for transactions.  We accept bitcoin for everything!

I have the second edition of our newspaper going out to newsstands now, this is a video of our new order of newspapers for our second Volume, First edition;   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUJjLhLaUQE&list=UUKf61_A5IzAwnP8BU5tvWdg&index=1



We are still attempting to acquire funding.  >  3days left  https://btcjam.com/listings/24011-operating-capital-for-a-new-profitable-retail-store--


I have verified everything with BTCJam, and I have an A- rating.   I am still working on getting verified everywhere else.

This is what I am working on with Ardeva.  

> https://ardeva.com/verify/A5432223F02A1C1A15960774
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October 09, 2014, 02:09:53 AM
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Have updated the website, I am installing an SSL at the moment.  That should be solid by tomorrow morning. 

Still haven't opened.  Had an electrical issue come up, and I am getting an electrician to come in and work on it.

It was data cabling that we need to be able to process payments.

But I updated the security and privacy policy, and created a page for our new edition of our newspaper.

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