Topic: Lock Russian section. (Read 1155 times)

Like others, I don't see any value in censoring an entire group of people because of the actions of their government.  More likely, their government will cut off their access to the forum as they do not want people appearing as dissidents.  In times like this especially, it is important to give everyone a voice.  You specifically seem to need to hear this voice so that you can understand that just because someone is Russian and their country is doing something you don't like, doesn't mean that they are evil people who should have their rights taken from them.  I'm sure many of those people are passionately against the war, probably a lot more than you are and would appreciate any normalization of their lives they can get right now.  So long as the individuals are respecting the rules of the forum and not attacking other individuals with lies or personal assaults, I don't see why they should be deplatformed. 

The representative in the forum know nothing about the killings,  they have nothing to do about it,  they are innocent,  it so painful for them to bear consequences  they know nothing about.  Every blame should be on puttins and his soldiers they are in charge of the war, I wish all this can end anytime soon for innocent people to have peace of mind.

No it doesn't and it won't. Your argument is with the regime and its army, not with the Russian people. If you can't differentiate between the two, you are the one who shouldn't be here. You think Putin asked the average Russian if they want to wage war on Ukraine? He didn't and they don't. I am in contact with 2 Russians since we had business dealings in the past. They are ashamed of their country and their Russian names. The West looks at them with contempt even if they are against the war. 

Is this the first war you have seen in your life? Did you make similar suggestions when the US bombed the shit out of the Middle East? Oh I forgot, those are Arabs and Muslims, that's OK. Now the war is in Europe, it's totally different. How about the Israelis, any sanctions for them for what they are doing in Palestine for the last 60 years? Nah, who cares, it's Arabs again. It's not like their lives are worth anything.   

If you believe putting innocent people under sanctions for what their dictator is doing, don't call yourself civilized.

And last but not least, Slava Ukraini!
You can't lose this war. Russia has already lost it morally and sooner or later they will lose on the battlefield as well.

It has already been blocked:


Please read whole topic before replying.

don't do that. suchmoon is russian



https://loyce.club/archive/posts/5924/59244804.html

Judging by the Putin's attitude toward freedom of speech, I would say that BitcoinTalk.org is more likely to be blocked in Russia than the other way around.
Interestingly, the Russian Constitution should actually guarantee freedom of thought and expression and prohibit censorship. Obviously, this is not the case, so it can only be assumed that the authoritarian, controlling Putin regime is trying to curb freedoms it doesn't like while leaving people without access to services like Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Evidently, Putin is trying to take control of online conversation, either by having his cronies at Russia's Internet regulatory agency Roskomnadzor block websites for political reasons, or by having the courts issue injunctions for people who dare to speak against the government in public.

The bottom line is that the Russian government and some of its stooges are trying to crush freedom of expression. Russia's human rights abuses have never been worse than right now.

Satoshi also wouldn't want an imposter CSW to roam around telling the world that he's the creator.
Makes me wonder if he would want a scammer and a liar to call his coin Satoshi's Vision. I could go on...

Anyway, Satoshi aside, the section should stay simply because there are Russian speakers who don't even live in Russia. Banning them from using Russian language would be like banning Korean language because of Kim and North Korea and not giving a damn about all those people in the South.


Some of it is true because the majority of Russians support this genocide. There was even a poll where the majority said that Russia should attack the EU starting with the Baltic States and Poland, so many russians indeed are brainwashed, but we should never punish the minority because of the majority. We should be better than that.
What if you were a Russian who lives in the UK and people begun to treat you like shit all of a sudden because of something Putin did and you didn't even vote for him?

OP, you have to realise that the forum cannot act without reason. To judge all russians here for the act of their president is not in line with how educated and enlightened people should behave. Also, how will locking the Russian section of this forum be of any help or contribution to stopping the war? We can't follow blindly without reason, unless the Russian section and the people there somehow go against forum rules & regulations, i don't see a reason this should be considered.

If the request of every Tom, Dick and Harry is granted on the subject of locking different sections on this forum due to some happenings, i don't think we will still have a variety of sections.

Since the UK government is sanctioning Russia, you want Theymos to do the same. This sounds ridiculous. Locking Russia's local board would it stop the Russian from bombarding Ukraine? This forum is a welcoming forum for everyone to join, it doesn't count on your identity or calamity before you be a member of the forum. The goal of the forum is for everyone to learn and understand what crypto is all about not in another way round of banning Russia for what they do not know about

I would also suggest an effective way to hang up the nameplate "fascist and moral monster" to those accounts that most zealously support the war and putin.

What result would the ban on Russians in the forum result in the real world?

Is it a crime that Russians have got a passport that categorises them as a citizen of Russia?

Is that in any way to mean that, all Russians are in support of the on going conflict between both nations @Ukraine and Russia?

Is it just that Russians should be wiped out of the face of the earth because some dictator choose war as a means to protecting his nation from the west?

In fact, the people that should be blamed and cautioned in this whole war is the NATO and NATO member nations. What becomes our words and treaties when it stops to make meaning. It's wrong to make promises and after several years of compliance fro  every side, NATO finds a way to by-pass what was agreed upon and move further towards Russia.

We would be commiting 2 crimes to try and justify what's happening with Ukraine by victimising Russians as well. The forum is not involved in world politics and so long as its members play by its rules, such unjust practices won't be perpetuated here.

Besides, the death count isn't just on Ukraine, Ukrainians are killing Russians too!

I'm not in support of the war and would never be and even still, I don't wish any harshness towards Russia and Russians.

@Xenon131 I really understand the frustration you are feeling right now especially if you witness everything including the bombing. But just like what everyone trying to point out here, Russians in the forum aren’t supporting Putin as well as the normal citizens leaving in fear on Russia right because of there strict government. You should at least focus your attention to the Russian government and not to its people because the Russian government is doing alone this crazy shit without the consent  of its citizens.

Let’s just be united.

This is bitcoin and bitcointalk community. You are mistakenly considering it as a dirty political platform, this is not. I am sorry your son is in war and the loses of your country but the community has no business with it. Civilians do not fight, it's the dirty politicians who fight for power. Bitcoin is not for a nationality but for the world.

You must realize by now that your suggestion is wrong. In fact, to me it seems you are trying to express your personal anger towards a community who gave you a nice ground to settle down on the forum. You are no different than Putin. The world needs friendships not dictators.

What do you think? Putin and his oligarchs have bitcointalk accounts to spread propaganda? Even if they have the forum rules does not allow to get banned unless they caught on something that breaks the rules.

I am sorry the good of Earth were never there. Where was it when Iraq was destroyed, Afghanistan was destroyed, Palestine conflict, bombing in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I am not supporting any war to be clear but at the same time I am frustrated to see these double standard mentality from the West, EU politicians and their mainstream media.

Just imagine where are we taking the mother earth? We are destroying it. And nature will avenge itself. When it will do, none of us will survive for the next moment. Let's forget hatred towards each others and spread the hand of friendship and peach.

xenon131, if dont like Russian Local Board, just go to your profile > Ignore Boards Preferences > mark them > click Change Profile, and you will never see them.

If you want to accuse every Russian for what is done to Ukraine, then you are narrow minded and we can accuse you for every criminal action any Ukrainian did.

Instead of creating this useless topic, you could have spent power, that you've spend pressing buttons while creating topic, on saying thank you to everyone who helped and donated to Ukraine. I have rarely seen any Ukrainian writing or saying simple "thank you". But all I see is "do/must/give/send".

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It's this kind of stupid shit that's been cropping up here in recent weeks why I've cut back at my posting here.

The bitcointalok forum was blocked in Russia by a court decision for some old topic about tax evasion. It is not available on search engines. Therefore, all Russian users use VPN. I think that blocking by IP address is the most stupid decision that a regulator can come up with today.

Does Putin do it along?

Well, I see you understand nothing. Russians ppl from the street do obey Putler and go into Ukraine to kill innocents ppl.


The  most cynical statement I have  ever seen.

Russians will come after your if Ukrainians will not stop them. ~14000 Russian   criminals have been already killd in Ukraine. 400+ tanks & ~80 war planes  destroyed .  But we need help from all intelligent ppl to stop Russians' war crimes   otherwise they will come to western countries and do the same.

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Theymos, pls lock Russian section. Those who are not barbarians can communicate in English. Russian war criminals have no ability to do this.

Read that as well, though there’s an on-going cybercrime as well restricting Ukrainian can’t still help same thing with Locking the section of Russian here in the forum. We should not get involve on the conflict and should remain neutral especially on ordinary people of Russia and Ukraine, because they are the victims here. This might be the only forum for them to voice out, so it should remain open.

Despite his efforts, Zack is still far from the bitcointalk standards we enjoy here. 

@OP, as long as I can freely say that Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is a murderer and war criminal that should be held criminally accountable for his actions, and not have my ass kicked to death, I'm happy with bitcointalk forum's moderator policy. If you can't have two parties to a debate, there's something fundamentally wrong with the system.

For what please?
Are they the soldiers fighting and killing Ukrainians?

I can only agree with you if at the Russians section they are only agitating over the war to kill and are giving a threat to the forum members and nothing more, anything aside this i think is an act of inconsideration.