Topic: Lock Russian section. - page 2. (Read 966 times)

Everyone has the right to be a part of bitcointalk forum. Even Satoshi never forbids a certain country or a certain nation to join this forum. So, why we must exclude the Russian section? Russian section is one of the most active sections in this forum, we must appreciate what they have done to this forum. Russian members have contributed to growing this forum, it is strange if we must lock their local section.

Regarding the war (Russian invasion), we cannot blame the Russian citizens. Instead, many of them don't agree with the Russian government to carry out the invasion. In this matter, Russian members in this forum are just ordinary citizens, not a part of the Russian government. They did not participate in the war at all and never did anything to support the war. Why we must punish them?   

There’s a lot of innocent Russian here who doesn’t have the power to dictate on their own government and also afraid of their own government, so I don’t see any big reason to punish them here. Their government may banned Russian access to social media but in this forum, they are always welcome. I believe its better to lock this thread than to lock the Russian section, this is decentralized after all.

Are you crazy with your suggestion, not reason to lock Russia section or Russian member because not relationship between war and Russia member forum here. You try to make politic here and I am not agree with your why have lock Russia section, every one have freedom here what ever countries come from not any reason to lock their freedom. They not asking about war on their forum section is not enough reason why have to lock Russia section forum.

Better apology to Russia member what have your recommended here and you need really disappointed what have you did.

xenon131, although I don't agree with your request, I understand your reasons.
It’s very hard when your country is going through a war, and it’s emotionally hard for everyone.
I went through the same experience when there was a war in my country, Croatia, 1991 and I personally suffered a lot.
In our local Croatian section we also have active members from neighboring countries, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro due to the similarity of languages, similar to the Russian section of the forum, which includes Russian speakers from different countries.
None of us have a problem with the past and we don’t talk about it because there’s no need for it.
This is not a political but a crypto forum and we come here because we are interested in crypto topics and not politics.
There are other forums or sections of Politics & Society to discuss politics.
There are certain forum rules for expulsion from the forum, such as plagiarism or financial fraud.
If you want to introduce a category of moral punishment, then you should be consistent and extend that to other countries in war like Yemen or Ethiopia for example.
Not all members of the forum who have an IP address from Russia are Russians, but there are many other nationalities living in Russia, then foreign workers, foreign students etc.
Should they send a passport to the forum administrators to prove that they are not Russian citizens even though they live in Russia and use Russian IP?
What about Russians who do not live in Russia?
I believe that from this you understand that your request is inviolable and that it makes no sense.
I suggest that instead of trying to introduce moral punishment in this forum, you take a more constructive approach and organize some action in the forum for collecting crypto donations for your country.
This will help your country a lot more than your request from the introductory post.

You are so funny, friend, instead of being sympathetic, I actually feel a little displeased with you if you still make statements like this.
Russia's current problem is a conflict that refers to politics.
Don't think that the Russian people don't suffer from this either.
Look now how many athletes have to bury their dreams now due to the sanctions imposed on their country.
There are so many companies or entrepreneurs who have to give up their current assets due to the Russian problem.
In the country I live in now, many Russians cannot return to their country due to the many regulations that are detrimental to them, even just to eat, they are now street musicians in my country due to their bank accounts being frozen.

Frankly I feel very sorry for them too because they don't know anything but they feel the impact.

Don't equate all things Russia-related with your hate speech. Political problems are still political problems, don't let civilians get involved in the ban as you say.

This is upto 10 months that I have been in this forum, I have never heard or known that this forum was created to fight banks and other financial institutions. Please, how did you come about this statement of yours? Is it included in bitcoin whitepaper? Was it rather said by Satoshi or Theymos  or you fabricated same yourself.
I think you really missed the entire essence of this forum and what her users represent.
I think this forum was one of the tools created to propagate bitcoin and not to go into war or fight with anyone or institutions.

If you can't handle free speech you should leave this forum immediately imo. I read the news all the time, people in Europe are kicking Russian students out of the colleges, firing random Russian people etc. It is the shit like this makes the EU look bad.

Maybe Facebook is a better platform for you. I heard Zuck has given a go on insulting the Russians.

The Russian language is multinational. Not only Russians, but also Belarusians, Ukrainians, Ossetians, Moldovans, Kyrgyz, Abkhazians, Kazakhs, Tatars and many other peoples of the world communicate in it.

There are no separate locales for their national languages on the forum, so they choose the Russian locale. Besides, even if a person is Russian it does not mean that he can not be in opposition to the government.

According to the latest information, a person who goes out to a peaceful protest in Russia receives a fine of $300 to $600 (the average salary for one or two months of work), and for the second protest, he could face three years in prison.

I start from the assumption that most of the members who visit this local board still live in Russia, although it is quite logical that they can be in any country in the world.


I will not excuse anyone, but we need to take into account that people who are exposed to the sufferings of war and fear for themselves and the lives of their loved ones often react in a way that everyone on the other side is equally to blame.

You're talking sake of the European nation and US sanction against Russia, simply imposing restrictions in belief of Russia keeping away from their action. However, situation is remain same moreover now invasion of Ukraine in heavy measure. I can see you're quite active Russian local board and sharing Ukrainian innocent peoples troubles, hardship during Russian invasion of Ukraine. I also can feel it but your approach absolutely not make sense. There lots of Russian residents continuously protest against Russian invasion, not every one of them holding a similar mentality as the Russian dictator.

As far as I know, Russian local board is visited by users not only from Russian territory or using "Russian" internet. Bitcointalk forum is already banned in Russia (or by several internet providers only) and many users are already using VPN to access this forum.

I cant understand why xenon131 accuses all Russian local board for military actions in Ukraine. He has been earning on this forum through signature campaigns by making posts there, and now local board turns to be bad. When he earned there they were good, not they are bad. He is so cheap.

Turing bitcoin or the forum into a political tool will never happen. Theymos is following the Satoshi's legacy and everything that bitcoin as build on is freedom, no matter race, nationality, gender nor political views! The crypto is for everyone and everyone suppressed by their government should have an alternative to the current corrupt payment system.

This should apply for both sides, the Russians as well as Ukrainians. The consequences from the every conflict are for the civil population, for the normal people, they will pay the price. The politicians and the oligarch will always find a way to save their a$$es, they are already moving assets to Dubai.

There is a better chance that Putin will walk through Kyiv smeared with tar and feathers and publicly apologize to everyone for the war, than that the admin would go so far as to close a board for political reasons. Such censorship exists only in Russia or the media of North Korea, and if it started happening at the forum, it would be the beginning of the end.

But if there is any truth that Russia intends to completely separate itself from the global Internet, then that board will lock itself up because Russians from Russia will no longer be able to access it.

Why dont you want to solve problem with Russia and Russian by yourself, and stop asking others to do your work? Dont drag others into your conflict. Dont try to use others hands and keep your hands clean and fluffy.

You must the among those who call teacher every time you get your ass kicked at school.

Satoshi wouldn't want that...

You are talking like Bitcoin should ban Russian holders which are impossible. This is a Bitcoin forum, not for a specific nation or jurisdiction. A lot of Russian are against the current war, but they are hopeless. They can't do anything but suffer from many sanctions. Definitely, I don't support any kind of war, but I can't blame citizens for government decisions. Even my governments have been taking a lot of decisions that I do not agree with, but can't do anything. So the forum is dedicated to cryptocurrency enthusiasts, doesn't necessary to turn it for a few specific nations. The forum is accessible via Tor from anywhere. So can't prevent anyone.

last time, I saw someone suggest that Ukrainian accounts should be restricted from PW/email change(something like that) to prevent Russian propagandists from taking over the Ukrainian accounts to spread propaganda and false information. both this and that thread are ridiculous.

This isn't going to happen, without going into the politics of it all; we aren't going to censor a certain section because of current events, whether that does cause hostilities between users or not. We're far more likely to take action on those users only if they're sending death threats, or breaking some other forum rules.

For the same reason that the OP's request wont be carried out; users can to a certain degree without trolling request whatever they want. While, I don't agree with the OP's reasoning, and there's no chance that it would actually be seriously taken into consideration, they can within the rules request it. We aren't going to remove a thread, because their request seems ridiculous to most users. We have plenty of other threads which take extreme views, which don't get removed. That's part, and parcel of freedom of speech. At the very core of this request, a user is asking for something forum related to be changed, despite the poor reasoning, that does fit in Meta. Also, while it might be poorly constructed, we don't tend to remove threads based on someone's English, as long as it's legible.

Now, it doesn't mean that users have to reply to that discussion mind. That's a separate issue all together.

I strongly believe there are always good people in any nation so does Russia. The war, this invasion was triggered by the obsession on power and Great Russia of only a single person, Putin. Why does he have such obsession?

Because he grew up under the Soviet Union and after taking over the power from Yeltsin, he has been given too much time on top of Russians. He has been given power and time to change Russian Constitution and the political, governmental infrastructures there. Russians have to do something to stop it. Else they will live under dictatorship, after Putin will be another one.

On this forum, you can not have full investigation and screening process on good or bad members on moral aspect and others. To over response by locking the Russian local board is too harsh and unfair for them.

I don't support Putin, his war, his invasion, his war crimes but this proposal is unfair, in my opinion.

OP, are you a complete ignoramus or something?  It isn't the average Russian on the street who's doing all of this stuff, it's Putin.  The Russian army, just like with all other countries, doesn't really have a choice but to carry out his orders.  Is that a valid excuse?  No, it isn't.  It's the same one the Nazis used, but the reality is that if you're in an army and your political ideology suddenly differs from some crazy thing your leader mandates that you do, you're not really left with many options.  I'd think that's especially true in Russia.

And as I just wrote in another stupid Meta thread about this conflict, I don't think the forum should be taking stances on any political issues and certainly shouldn't do something completely idiotic like locking out an entire country from accessing the site simply because there's an invasion going on.  

This isn't Facebook, Twitter, or any of those other street-whore social media sites that have one set of lips on the US government's cock and both hands grabbing your personal data.

P.S....You can keep posting horrible pictures of whatever you like, but that's also a trick that media likes to use to sway opinions by tugging on people's heartstrings.  Me, I'm not buying any of that as an excuse to nuke the Russian section.