Topic: Lone Shark/ ChiBitCTy/ Limx Dev/ Am I unban material (The honeymoon )?? SORTED (Read 790 times)

I think you should update your OP with Halab's post and make sure to do weekly bump. I guess you should be fine with 1 year sig ban because you are already banned for more than 60 days( general duration of temp ban).

Yes I learnt my lesson.
Believe me, I'll be a much better member from now on (if my ban get uplift into a sig ban).




I did message @Theymos and @hilariousandco  a few times about my ban appeal,
I guess they must be very busy, plenty of things going on the forum right now.

Update : the bounty is still available for whoever wants to prove me wrong in my statement  (see 1st post for T&C).
However the Escrow is quite impatient and gave me up to the end of the month before returning the funds.

Regards

Plagirism.does.not only consist of copy and pasting word for word. It is the idea that should one look for when you think that a post was being plagiarized.

Now, if OP add some of wordings and combine it with the article and it as reference. then there could be no problem at all. But, OP owning the idea then it is considered as plagiarism.

Here in the forum,  posting a short thread or post might be hard to identify as plagiarism of course some of us may have the same opinion at the time the reply was posted.

Did you sent PM to theymos or hilariousandco for your case?
I hope you should get the chance.

Even Though I hate copy pasta, you are actually one of the cases I would side to unban. we don't know each other but I took the time to read through all of this thread and you are a valuable member of the community - you are a dick for copy pasting and maybe a double dick for not reading the rules, but the good far outweighs the bad.

Bounty still available for whoever wants to prove me wrong. 
Proof of funding :



Unlocking condition :
Both Yogg (French trusted escrow) and Halab (French modo) have to agree that it is a plagiarism and not just a "quote" omission.



Good luck to everyone

I don't know Guigui but banning him because he copied part of a generic message to participate in an airdrop seems a bit harsh. Plus he didn't copy an important text, it was just a random valueless message from another member here.
Many have done kind of the same thing, saying "good project" or else just to be eligible for one of these airdrops. It's spam, it's annoying but people don't get banned for this afaik. He could have posted a one-liner like this, he didn't. That's what got him where he is now.
From his post history, it's obvious he's not a scammer nor an idiot. I don't think he saw any harm in what he was doing.

I recently learned that a few years ago account selling was tolerated. Now it's still authorized but you lose your account for doing such a thing. Maybe in a few years, we'll change our minds on that plagiarism rule as well. Circumstances change, rules do too. Why not treat each case individually ? I'm not saying this because he had a Legendary account but just because he has proven to be a valuable member of this community. I agree that rules should be the same for everyone, whatever your status but still there is a difference between a spammer/bounty hunter and a guy who's been here for 5 years and has (apparently) never done anything wrong.

He obviously cares about his account, he even asks for his right to a signature to be revoked. So why not give him a chance ?

Plagiarism is one of the worst thing people can do, not only in crypto as well as in the forum, but also in other aspects of our lives.
In academic environment, plagiarism is the worst things students or researchers can do. Whenever plagiarism found, they have to face with very bad things, such as attitude of colleagues, punishments from professors, schools or universities.
I don't know the fact that most of users who plagiarised in the forum come from the third world, from developing countries or not, but I guess it is.
In the third world, people almost don't care about plagiarism because there is no punishments on them, even authorities, universities don't care too much or educatate them enough about plagiarism.
Maybe, their faults partially come from poor systematic education they have in their nations, but the things are different when they joined the forum.
Wherever they come from, plagiarisms are plagiarisms, and since they are forum users, they have to accept the rules here.
It should be like this and honestly I give theymos a big round of applause for such kind-hearted hands-by-hands approach.
It's the point. Why we only take care about Legendary members who got perm bans due to plagiarism?
It is clearly unfair approach, if we keep doing like this.
Everyone should  be treated equally, have same rights, same appeal rights in the forum.
So if Legendary members can be reconsidered for their faults, lower users should have the same chance.
For example:
If someone like nullius got permban, will he have chance to come back and got ban unlift? I think he should have such a chance no matter which rank he has.
Demotions on high ranks should be another further steps to clean up the forum, but I doubt theymos will do it.
There is no place that can give perfect fairness, and we can not ask theymos do it.
Moreover, the era when the forum become a better place and opportunities for old generations of high rank users from Senior to Legendary members to join good payment campaigns has started. They will be competitive by self-made users, and they will become less competitive, obviously.

Thank you all for the support message and the feedback (positive and negative ones).

I am trying to find hilariousandco 's pgp key,
Has it been published anywhere ?
I did search the forum and also on google.

Regards

LOTS of thing can come under the " it isn't right" heading here.... "on top of that they are making money" ..." shit posting sig spammers"

Your reasoning here seems to be polluted by a certain bias, so must be treated with caution. I will demonstrate why...

Let us consider the OP a person that did one or 2 copy and pastes to earn a tiny amount of money compared to someone (you) who  greedily and sneakily created a sock puppet to racist troll sig spam to make much more money and actually was busted shifting from one sig campaign to another to get even MORE money??

Why would the OP be banned and you who have done worse (IMHO) get to be a DT and merit source with no red trust?

This I feel quite obviously illustrates that the OP should not be perm banned.

I don't support ANYONE getting banned if they are willing to show they are sorry and won't do it again (except proven scammers). If I was theymos in this situation I would just remove BOTH of your sigs for a few years so that you can demonstrate you are both real enthusiasts and will contribute here for free.

I feel on matters of trust the readers must be given access to all possible information especially on those advocating punishment of others so that we may attribute the correct value to their contributions.

The op has already been vouched for by a mod of his own local board so we can see he is also a valuable contributor.

To ensure fair and equal treatment of all persons then precedents and similar prior incidents should be given strong
consideration.

That may be so, but it isn't right.  And on top of all that, people are usually earning money when they plagiarize someone's text, which makes it so much worse. 

I'm not a big fan of Theymos's declaration that there will be some exceptions to the rule, but such is life.  I think if he's going to allow successful appeals, they should be granted only for exceptional members who've contributed a lot to the community and only rarely.  By rarely, I mean probably 3 cases per year.  Rank shouldn't have anything to do with it, nor am I sad when a Legendary account gets busted for plagiarizing something.  There are plenty of shitposting sig spammers who ranked up that much before the merit system.

Anyway, I don't think OP is the best candidate for a ban lift.

I am not sure thymos will consider this ban appeal but I saw that some members you mentioned on title were unbanned even after they violated the forum rules because they can be good asset to this forum so losing them is just a big lose to the forum as well so they are unbanned with signature ban for certain level so it might be implemented on your account as well.

But if more people got unbanned from appealing then it might be the time to give alternative punishment to plagiarism like permanent signature ban so if they did on financial motivation then they have no use if it.

A few words about this case.

Since I've been on this forum (not very long compared to some members here), and even more since I'm moderator of the french section, I've been paying attention to the banning of french members, and there are more than one who have been caught (whatever their rank).

I had the opportunity to talk a little with Guigui (William8062), I looked at his posts history. I concluded that he was not a troll, not a sig spammer, not a scammer. He is a good guy, ready to help. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't have made that kind of message for not many other french members.

I will not put my testicles in the balance, but if it is clear that there has been only one real case of plagiarism, I support this ban appeal and ask my superiors to reconsider the permanent ban for a more appropriate punishment.

Hi, there is no such thing as a dumb question.


This "message" has already bring brought forward and deemed not to be a plagiarism,
At best a mistake not using "  "

What I write in french is :
"I am not in any of the 16 below cases
1)
2)
3)"
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See this part of my very first message on top of this thread


Thanks

I hope this question is not too dumb: Is copying content from another website also considered plagiarism?

If yes, i found only one post from July 2017 that clearly got copied.

Copied: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20085279
Original content: http://www.etudes-fiscales-internationales.com/media/02/00/1590489700.pdf


Though i want to say that every other post seems to be written in OP's own words with no signs of plagiarism or spam.
If i may share my opinion about this case: a signature ban should be enough.

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Edit: Sorry for my mistake.

The only thing I would like to say is despite being the 3rd country in BTC nodes, the french speaking community on bitcointalk is relatively small, and most of members were even just bounty hunters/spammers in the recent past.


AFAIK guigui371 is not working in the IT area but despite that he courageously tried to put his hands in the stuff. As you can see he made a tutorial about vanitygen in 2014, and he's using PGP.... Unfortunately only few people in the french speaking section are doing this kind of things, only few people talk about technical subjects currently.
So I really think he's a valuable member for the french speaking community.

It's quite clear that a precedent has been set even copy and pastes for financial gain can be over turned if you can demonstrate you are a keen and valuable member. Chibitcty is a valuable trader we need all the traders we can get so he came back with a sig ban. I support that.

I think you should be given the same opportunity to return without a sig for a year or 2 or whatever theymos thinks is fair. People supporting bitcoin for all of these years should not be kicked out for good unless they do it again. Most people here are not real enthusiasts and just here to milk some money from the board. So take the sigs away and if they still contribute then they are worth keeping.

Well, at least you admit it. But even if you were posting for signature earnings, I think you would have earned the same when you wouldn't have copied anything and only posted your own additions. I can believe this was a honest mistake from someone who doesn't know this forum is so strict on plagiarism.

A long signature ban would probably work.

My main concern is that us fighting off plagiarism from spammers leads to collateral damage by banning real users who wouldn't be banned if spammers wouldn't use plagiarism at such a massive scale. This forum and the Bitcoin ecosystem needs real users.

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Let me bring in this example: I reported the user for plagiarism in 2017. I didn't appreciate how he copied my text to compete with my own service. He didn't get banned. I'm okay with that now, as it's better for the forum not to ban real users for small things, and I think his case is quite similar to yours.

Thanks LoyceV

I did do a copy and paste, Suchmoon found it back in october
The message you need to read is here :    proof i plagiarised


I hope you will still feel the same "I could potentially be un-banned"

cheers

Let me first admit I didn't read through all the related topics. But from what I've read, I don't think this should lead to a permban.
As far as I know, the plagiarism bans got so strict only because of many users spamming the forum with other people's text to earn money (or more recently Merit). On any other forum I know, users don't get banned if they copy some text that can help someone else, and it's a pretty common thing to do since the beginning of the internet. But on any other forum I know, posts don't lead to direct earnings, so it's not a big problem there.
Of course the classic "everybody else does it too" is not an excuse, but I think it's worth to differentiate between illiterate spammers who use this forum as an ATM, and real users who slip somewhere.

Note: I don't know guigui371 at all, and I can't read French.