Edit 23/05/2019 :
Locking the thread
Many thanks.
Bounty cancelled.
Dear BitcoinTalk community,
In the light of the recent change of Ban policy by Theymos :
There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.
If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.
I would like to come in front of you to reconsider my case.
Which account I am talking about :
guigui371 :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/guigui371-207818A.K.A the
"honeymoon guy" Copyright Suchmoon
When was I banned ?
-> I was banned in October 2018
Read the full story here :
My Legendary account has been banned - I accept my punishment, now what ? Why was I banned ?
-> I copied, and pasted a message, once in June 2018
Why did you do it ?
-> I didn't have a signature at that time, I needed to make a post to partake into an airdrop, I was in a hurry, I cheated.
(you can read more in this thread that i locked :
My Legendary account has been banned - I accept my punishment, now what ? )
What is done is done I can't undo it. I thought that transforming and improving an existing post was ok,
turns out it is still plagiarism.
Many things have been proposed as an alternative to permaban.
When I am writing this message only
24% of people want to see permaban to stay permaban.
76% are ok to give a second chance with some kind of counterparty (mainly no more signature). The panel is 136 voters.
I repeatedly said that I would not oppose a permanent sig ban
forever (like, no appeal ever !).
Theymos put some kind of frame on how to appeal a permaban : to prove that are "positive" for the forum.
I am not really very established member in the Meta / English part of the Forum.
And to be fair, even in the French board I was very involved in 2014 /2015/2016 but not that much in 2017 and 2018.
However I have dug in my past to find posts that show that I am somehow more a "positive" than a "negative" for the forum.
Here are my arguments :
1) I am a nice guy !*)
I made a newly wed Australian cry This is who I am, a very nice and generous soul. When i can help I do. I saw someone that needed help, lent money without any counterparty and without any interest
*) back in 2014 I wrote a
french topic about VanityGen, way before it became cool.
*) warning people that BTC forks like BTC Diamond and others are somehow risky as you have to expose your private key to get them. That user was asking how
to extract the seed of his ledger to claim the BTC diamond
2) I am not a signature spammer I have only posted 37 messages in 2018 (well, only 8 months of posting).
I have posted about 240 messages in 2017
And a grand total of about 900 messages for 2016/2015/2014
3) I have checked, I didn't plagiarize any other message. So I spent the time, I have read through all my messages from 2018/2017/2016 and 2015 (i stopped searching past jan2015) and couldn't find any posts that even remotedly look plagiarized.
As a matter of Fact I'll give $200usd to whoever can find a plagiarised message in that time frame (2018/2017/2015)
Yogg has agreed to be Escrow, i'll fund him shortly (24h/48h).
The French moderator
Halab volunteer to be the referee in the event of a post being brought forward as plagiarised.
As this has been the case in my previous thread (locked) about messages that were not plagiarised, just poorly written (
like this example brought by Xal0lex , and explained as not plagiarized by Vit05)
4) I promise I will be a good memberWell this is hard to prove, however I only need to convince one of two persones : Theymos or hilariousandco
Message to Theymos with his PGP key :
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I couldn't find hilariousandco's pgp key, maybe you can ask Theymos what i wrote or if you send me your pgp i'll send you the same information.
5) People seems to be keen to give second chance, let me prove you I am worthy. Let me quote below messages from my previous topic that show that some members are not totally against giving me a second chance.
Second chances can be given and you can argue that the punishment is harsh, but at the moment the rules are pretty clear that if you're caught plagiarising then it's a permaban. Once we start making exceptions for people it just opens up a huge can of worms and then everyone else who's had a ban will come out of the woodwork and complain it's not fair to them and people who are banned in the future will use this case as an example why they should be given another chance.
PM theymos or cyrus and make your case to them and maybe they will remove it. I'm not against second chances but there needs to be some consistency so it's fair to all. Hopefully signature bans could be issued in cases like this instead and people can keep their accounts, but at the moment I just wish people would stop plagiarising content so these bans aren't even needed in the first place and it's truly a sad state of affairs that they are.
I said that I would be okey for a signature ban.
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You could argue that Legendaries should know better. I think if we allow them a free pass on certain things then lower-ranked users would then complain that they're being unfairly punished. I think the only exception I'd be ok with is if they had their signature removed/banned and they lose their ability to earn via it here. We could maybe look at just letting the community handle copy and pasters with negative feedback like like we do with scams, but sadly most ICO campaigns don't care about negative feedback and they'd still be able to get away with this behaviour which isn't ok.
You could argue that Legendaries should know better. I think if we allow them a free pass on certain things then lower-ranked users would then complain that they're being unfairly punished. I think the only exception I'd be ok with is if they had their signature removed/banned and they lose their ability to earn via it here.
This. Take their signatures and avatars away and see how many of them are actually dedicated to the forum with no financial incentive. I'd guess this would be equivalent to permaban for 90% of them.
We could make a criteria 1 copy and paste per 1000 good posts. Applied to all.
This is unenforceable. Nobody in their right mind is going to spend time checking 1000 posts of some asshole to make sure they have only 1 plagiarised post.
I am ok to be stripped out of my signature (forever), I have offered money for people to review my account (it is a one off bounty if they are successful).
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You could remove their signatures until they've earned x amount of merit. Say, if you're spotted copy and pasting then your signature is removed until you've earned 100 merit or so. I did suggest previously that users have their signature banned until they've shown that they can contribute something here, but since merit has been implemented maybe that would be a good indicator of how much they're actually contributing and it gives them a chance to atone for their sins and get their signature back providing they've contributed something here in the meantime.
I'd guess this would be equivalent to permaban for 90% of them.
Yeah, many would probably just give up. My only issue with this though is I reckon most of them will just hang around like a bad smell trolling and complaining about how unfair it is.
This is also a good idea and I would love to be offered this deal.
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Although I would expect a bot could easily be coded to run their entire post history against google for matches.
Much harder than it sounds.
They could pay for this if they want to not get banned or pay for manual review. I dont expect most would mind paying 0.1 btc for review and keeping their account.
I still disagree with the premise that 1 in 1000 is ok, but if such criteria were implemented then yes, demanding a payment could be a good way to do it. Not going to happen though.
I mean we are talking 1 in 1000 posts. Not real ico pump teams and scammers fucking the board up.
The likelihood of someone plagiarizing only 1 in 1000 AND GETTING CAUGHT is so extremely low that it's just not worth debating. There are many more spamming issues that this forum is facing. The "1 in 1000" offences can be handled by theymos through the usual appeal process.
I have started a bounty, $200 to find a plagiarised for from me from 2018/2017/2016/2015 I will fund it soon.
Conclusion : If I was given a second chance I'll prove you all that what I did was a silly mistake and that I can be a quality member.
