Topic: Lone Shark/ ChiBitCTy/ Limx Dev/ Am I unban material (The honeymoon )?? SORTED - page 2. (Read 790 times)

The content may have been copied from the post quoted by the post you cited. However I do not think you are describing plagiarism, and it is certainly not something the OP should be banned, nor punished (by forum administration) for, as he clearly cited a source:
When it comes to plagiarizing, people will be banned when they pass off someone else's words as their own, not when they use BB code incorrectly, or make mistakes when citing the source to the extent that it is still clear there is a source, and the content is not original.

Actually the content is quite common copied by more projects as FAQ. I have found more examples but the OPs one was posted before I agree and I already found some traces of same content in the thread listed in the post.

Someone quoted it here : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5107429

The content was probably in the OP of the post mentioned as reference and it was edited later and delete from there.

Still, I think he should have just quoted the text instead of copy pasting it directly.

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I am not here for your above bounty neither I am taking interest because of this. I often do this here in my free time

haha good spotting.

But anyway, I definitely didn't write the part in english, I have given an explanation in the message above.
It definitely comes from someone else, but i was not trying to pass it as my own writings.





Thanks for you opinion, as per the "title" of the thread 2 people have been unbanned in the past 3 weeks.
I'm asking if i can be the 3rd.

Wow this is a good find.
It was definitly not my intention to plagiarism,
If anything i was answering to a question.
Let me put my message in full.
I will highlight in blue the question asked by a member and in red my answer to it.








Then i did put the source, if anything i forgot to put the english part between " "
But it is pretty obvious that since i am writing something in english quite technical, followed by the link to the official thread then a quick answer in french my intention was to provide info to the person asking and not fooling them in believing that i wrote the content.

This shouldn't be considered plagiarism, at best a mistake made by someone that was only on the forum for a few weeks/ months and eager to help.

Thanks for this finding, it doesn't qualify for the bounty as i limited it to 2018/2017/2016/2015

Thanks

I am not a historian, but it looks like you might have gotten this backwards. I am looking at a 2014 calendar, and May 12 is actually after February 27.

The OP's post appears to actually be the one that was plagiarized.

Even if you aren't part of any signature campaign that time there is no excuse for the plagoarism you have done. A lot of newbies who aren't part of any sig campaigns are permabanned because of plagiarism why should the exempt or have another view towards you? Also if you think about it you still did plagiarism in order for you to earn money in the forum via airdrop which makes no difference in your line of reasoning. I don't know what's the extent of  theymos when he meant "case to case" but I don't think he will be accepting all the appeals he receives in the forum.

I think this could be the reason. You have not mentioned a real source:

One of the link mentioned there takes to this thread but nothing similar there:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-mint-mintcoin-pos-5-no-ico-fair-distro-community-maintained-450381

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Nope, the forum should have a fair treatment for all ranks, not only Ledgendary or Hero members.
Before the merit system launched day, you and other members in the forum become Hero or Legendary members from your actitivites (postcounts) and time spent in the forum.
In addition, being a Hero or Legendary member does not mean that you have more contributions to the forum, and / or your post quality is better than users that have lower ranks.
Permanent bans for plagiarisms are always a harsh punishments. I don't know exact the rule is but it most likely that with plagiarism, violators have only one chance.
Only one plagiarism found, and perma ban comes (maybe I am wrong, but I think I am right at this point).
Now, what's the fair treatment if Legendary can say "Oh, I did not read the rule carefully since my first, second weeks or months in the forum, and it happened years ago".

It is the same case for lower users, who maybe did copy and paste (plagiarise) in their early days. By which I meant, something like they copied and pasted specifications of coins, without awareness that they plagiarise with that action. The common thing I saw is it seems that plagiarism tend to occur in early period of forum users, when they don't have enough understandings about the forum rules.
Then, when they got banned, they wont' have chance to return because they are Full Member, or Senior Members. Is it fair for them???

I agreed that Hero or Ledgendary members have their long histories in the forum to look back, investigate and find out their contributions in the forum. Faults are faults, they can not deny that. The point is, in my opinion, what we should look back is:
If users plagiarised with stupid faults in its first, second, tenth posts in the forum, or early months in the forum, just for example, we can make further investigation about their purpose of those faults, and their contributions in the forum.
Now, the next question might occur:
"How about posting bots, that tend to copy and paste from time to time?"
Yes, it is easy because they are bots, they often plagiarise with their templates, so it is easy to find, and they won't have chance to complain about perma bans.

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In a nutshell, I don't think that what theymos implied that cases in the forum will be sorted out hands-by-hands are only applied for Ledgendary or Hero because he likely a reasonable guy who have intention to give as fair treatments for all users as possible.

Keep your nasty opinion for yourself,
I wrote this message at 2am French time, Yogg was very likely in bed.
I needed time to get the BTC address from him.
Then in my local time it was 2pm, I need to go home to do the transfer.
Also the memepool is full so the tx are not done in a timely manner.  

Now, that Yogg has answered, I Have funded the address (well, the Tx has been initiated, now it is all about confirmation).




Thanks Yogg,
I have funded the address with 0.04BTC
Funds are coming from Binance, the Tx is still "processing" and should be visible soon.  

Since you are french, and in the even of someone finding something they claim is plagiarism, I kindly ask that you get Halab's (french modo / staff) opinion before releasing the funds.


Thanks


Edit :
Funds finally showing  : https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/31p4TPyq3WadF9umDKURZR35aMQTaBbKaZ

For what it's good for, I can escrow that amount and will release the bounty as said ; "to whoever can find a plagiarised message in that time frame (2018/2017/2015)" involving the banned account.
If you accept, William8062, please send the bounty to my escrow address labeled BTC2 in my escrow thread :


However, please bear in mind that I will be hardly available before next sunday to release the bounty (travelling)

What a stupid comment.

No one is going to wait - they will search now, nothing will be found, you won't fund the escrow... but then you'll claim you offered $200 when you really didn't...

I do think a permanent ban for a single instance of plagiarism from a legendary person is a bit harsh. Especially considering the person isn’t reasonably a signature spammer. The underlying reason seems to be financial though.

Edit 23/05/2019 :


Locking the thread
Many thanks.
Bounty cancelled.

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Dear BitcoinTalk community,
In the light of the recent change of Ban policy by Theymos :



I would like to come in front of you to reconsider my case.


Which account I am talking about :
guigui371 : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/guigui371-207818
A.K.A the "honeymoon guy"  Copyright Suchmoon

When was I banned ?
-> I was banned in October 2018

Read the full story here :  My Legendary account has been banned - I accept my punishment, now what ?

Why was I banned ?
-> I copied, and pasted a message, once in June 2018

Why did you do it ?
-> I didn't have a signature at that time, I needed to make a post to partake into an airdrop, I was in a hurry,  I cheated.
(you can read more in this thread that i locked : My Legendary account has been banned - I accept my punishment, now what ? )
What is done is done I can't undo it. I thought that transforming and improving an existing post was ok, turns out it is still plagiarism.


Many things have been proposed as an alternative to permaban.
When I am writing this message only 24% of people want to see permaban to stay permaban.
76% are ok to give a second chance with some kind of counterparty (mainly no more signature). The panel is 136 voters.

I repeatedly said that I would not oppose a permanent sig ban forever (like, no appeal ever !).



Theymos put some kind of frame on how to appeal a permaban : to prove that are "positive" for the forum.
I am not really very established  member in the Meta / English part of the Forum.
And to be fair, even in the French board I was very involved in 2014 /2015/2016 but not that much in 2017 and 2018.

However I have dug in my past to find posts that show that I am somehow more a "positive" than a "negative" for the forum.
Here are my arguments :


1) I am a nice guy !

*) I made a newly wed Australian cry
This is who I am, a very nice and generous soul. When i can help I do. I saw someone that needed help, lent money without any counterparty and without any interest


*) back in 2014 I wrote a french topic about VanityGen, way before it became cool.

*) warning people that BTC forks like BTC Diamond and others are somehow risky as you have to expose your private key to get them. That user was asking how to extract the seed of his ledger to claim the BTC diamond

2) I am not a signature spammer
I have only posted 37 messages in 2018 (well, only 8 months of posting).
I have posted about 240 messages in 2017
And a grand total of about 900 messages for 2016/2015/2014

3) I have checked, I didn't plagiarize any other message.
So I spent the time, I have read through all my messages from 2018/2017/2016 and 2015 (i stopped searching past jan2015) and couldn't find any posts that even remotedly look plagiarized.
As a matter of Fact I'll give $200usd to whoever can find a plagiarised message in that time frame (2018/2017/2015) Yogg has agreed to be Escrow, i'll fund him shortly (24h/48h).
The French moderator Halab volunteer to be the referee in the event of a post being brought forward as plagiarised.
As this has been the case in my previous thread (locked) about messages that were not plagiarised, just poorly written (like this example brought by Xal0lex , and explained as not plagiarized by Vit05)


4) I promise I will be a good member
Well this is hard to prove, however I only need to convince one of two persones : Theymos or hilariousandco


Message to Theymos with his PGP key :


I couldn't find hilariousandco's pgp key, maybe you can ask Theymos what i wrote or if you send me your pgp i'll send you the same information.




5) People seems to be keen to give second chance, let me prove you I am worthy.
Let me quote below messages from my previous topic that show that some members are not totally against giving me a second chance.


I said that I would be okey for a signature ban.

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I am ok to be stripped out of my signature (forever), I have offered money for people to review my account (it is a one off bounty if they are successful).

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This is also a good idea and I would love to be offered this deal.

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I have started a bounty, $200 to find a plagiarised for from me from 2018/2017/2016/2015 I will fund it soon.





Conclusion :

If I was given a second chance I'll prove you all that what I did was a silly mistake and that I can be a quality member.