Topic: Looking for a way to add extra security (Read 506 times)

I don't see that as an advantage at all, but rather a significant disadvantage. I don't want my seed phrase to be able to be accessed from anywhere. I want it securely locked down in one or two specific and secure locations, and not attackable by anyone in the world with a computer.

Then just use redundancy with your paper back ups for the same but more secure outcome.

Use a weak one and it will be brute forced.

Problem not solved at all. If anything, you've just made it significantly more likely your coins are stolen.

That's why I would use redundancy. Storing the encrypted seed in at least 2 different email accounts.


You can use whatever password you want to when using AES-256. Nothing to invent there.


Well I don't write down passwords on paper. not my thing. I would store the pw online too but not in the same place the encrypted seed is stored. problem solved.

There is a higher chance of you not being able to access your Gmail account for different reasons than you losing your paper wallet.
And when it comes to encryption, it all comes down to what kind of password and what algorithm you used to encrypt it. There is no BIP for encryption mnemonics so you'll have to come up with your own and security of that method may not be enough. Not to mention that now you would have to write down the password on a piece of paper so that you don't forget it! In other words we are back where we started.

i'm not sure where i read this but just because you store something on fire resistant metal or something doesn't mean it can't become inaccessible to you. online storage has the benefit of being accessible from almost anywhere...so it's not like it doesnt have its advantages. if i encrypt my seed phrase and store it in my gmail, to me, that's pretty solid. otoh, if i store it unencrypted in my gmail, that's not very solid. assuming gmail doesn't go out of business, i should be good right?

Just because some people used a bad medium (paper instead of laminated paper or metal sheet, etc.) to store their key on and they weren't careful when storing it, that doesn't mean a very terrible method of storing backups such as online storage is suddenly a good idea.

and yet people occasionally come to the forum with a "a rat ate part of the paper my seed phrase was stored on" or some other story about how part of the paper got destroyed or is unreadable...i bet those people wish they would have saved a backup online somewhere.

Saving your recovery seed online can be prone to attack by other users, it can never be guaranteed 100% safe as long as it is online. It is prone to attackers, virus or even system damage and you’ll eventually lose everything. The best way to keep it safe is to get it written down in a safe place. You can write it down with a code only you understand in order to be able to access it by yourself even if someone sees where you kept it.

"But it needs to be done securely". That's the problem right there. Most people cannot do it securely. The average person does not know what an airgapped device is, let alone how to open up a computer and physically remove all the necessary hardware. The average person does not know what Linux is, let alone how to format their new airgapped device and install a clean open source OS on it. The average person does not know what encryption is, let alone how to get Veracrypt downloaded, verified, safely transferred over to their airgapped device, installed, and used to create a hidden container. The average person does not know what open source is, let alone being able to review the code of Veracrypt and the encryption algorithm they choose to ensure their encrypted files are safe and secure. The number of steps which could go wrong is huge, and the average person will not be able to identify any steps which have gone wrong or any points in which they have compromised their security.

However, the average person is able to very securely write down 24 words on a piece of paper.

So yes, if you know what you are doing then go ahead and use encrypted airgapped wallets or back ups (I do), but you must realize there is a significant learning curve compared to paper back ups.

If your paper back ups can be easily found and stolen, then you need to find a more secure storage location. I have far more trust in my physical storage locations than I would in, for example, a cloud storage provider not closing my account and losing my files.