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philipma1957

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Quote from: QuintLeo on December 25, 2016, 04:12:55 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 23, 2016, 10:42:41 AM

look at these ratios

http://coinmarketcap.com/

gear mining btc 2,380,716,564 GH/s that is 183,000 s9's and that is 274,500,000 usd plus psu's

cap is 14,582,607,308 usd so 18.82%

gear mining eth

5976 gh that is 200,000 rx 480's and that is 42,000,000 usd

cap is 631,622,906 usd so 6.65%

gear mining zec

55 mh is 275,000 rx 480s say 57,750,000 usd

cap is 15,392,931 usd so 375.17%

So gear value to cap value ratios

BTC 18.82%
ETH 6.65%
ZEC 375.17%

DO THESE HAVE MEANING?

if they do zec will soar in value

or BTC and ETH will crash in value.

LOOK AT THIS LIST:

gpu
AMD

Which is probably the ONLY member of that list that mining has ever caused a measurable "sales blip" for.

Keep in mind though - of every "AMD GPU" that is sold, AMD themselves likely realise at most 20% and more likely 10-15% of the final retail sale price on.

It would take MANY tens of milliions in "additional sales" to miners to pay AMD back for a $10 million price intervention like like has been suggested.

Keep in mind that the very very limited number of chip making facilities that CAN make the GPUs for the current generation cards have been BACKLOGGED the entire time they've had any production at all, which puts a severe limit on how many "additional" cards IF ANY are capable of being sold.

Some folks wonder why BitMain keeps "selling out" so often on the various S9 batches.
I am 100% CERTAIN the reason is that they can't get the CHIPS on a reliable basis to keep up with demand for the SAME REASON.

If ZEC had gone live 2 years ago, or 1-2 years from now, it might make SOME sense for AMD to pump the market - right now, it makes pretty much zero sense.

exactly which is why the pumps are not 10 million when they come.

You realize the pump that just past had 2,000,000 usd in action on pump day.

if you have 4 accounts on a major exchange and use:

a to sell to b
to sell to c
to sell to d
to sell to a
to sell to b
to sell to c
to sell to d

and boom a pump at a lower cost then 2,000,000

This will not end for quite a while. Why is that simple the market cap is low and it is cheap to do so.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 23, 2016, 10:42:41 AM

look at these ratios

http://coinmarketcap.com/

gear mining btc 2,380,716,564 GH/s that is 183,000 s9's and that is 274,500,000 usd plus psu's

cap is 14,582,607,308 usd so 18.82%

gear mining eth

5976 gh that is 200,000 rx 480's and that is 42,000,000 usd

cap is 631,622,906 usd so 6.65%

gear mining zec

55 mh is 275,000 rx 480s say 57,750,000 usd

cap is 15,392,931 usd so 375.17%

So gear value to cap value ratios

BTC 18.82%
ETH 6.65%
ZEC 375.17%

DO THESE HAVE MEANING?

if they do zec will soar in value

or BTC and ETH will crash in value.

LOOK AT THIS LIST:

gpu
AMD

Which is probably the ONLY member of that list that mining has ever caused a measurable "sales blip" for.

Keep in mind though - of every "AMD GPU" that is sold, AMD themselves likely realise at most 20% and more likely 10-15% of the final retail sale price on.

It would take MANY tens of milliions in "additional sales" to miners to pay AMD back for a $10 million price intervention like like has been suggested.

Keep in mind that the very very limited number of chip making facilities that CAN make the GPUs for the current generation cards have been BACKLOGGED the entire time they've had any production at all, which puts a severe limit on how many "additional" cards IF ANY are capable of being sold.

Some folks wonder why BitMain keeps "selling out" so often on the various S9 batches.
I am 100% CERTAIN the reason is that they can't get the CHIPS on a reliable basis to keep up with demand for the SAME REASON.

If ZEC had gone live 2 years ago, or 1-2 years from now, it might make SOME sense for AMD to pump the market - right now, it makes pretty much zero sense.

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Quote from: PanneKopp on December 24, 2016, 03:05:23 PM

... some Miners with low E-Prices might still be in ROI,
but I do not think,
all of the 8732.3171 kSol/s running at nicehash 4 BTC
are really °°°.

Looks like a big bubble.

Grin

PanneKopp

P.S. some "Mining-Rig-Investors" will cry

why do you see a bubble and I see an opportunity?

market cap of 15 million makes pump cheap .

and the list of companies above that stand to make a lot more sales if this coin sticks around is a long list of big money companies.

You do realize that a 10 million usd pump put in by AMD would jack coin price from .052 to .111 easy

and if 2 or 3 of the companies above all decide to do a pump coin can go to 0.3 or 0.5 no problem.

Look for a big pump when AMD releases the rx 490 and rx 490x

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aka ...

... some Miners with low E-Prices might still be in ROI,
but I do not think,
all of the 8732.3171 kSol/s running at nicehash 4 BTC
are really °°°.

Looks like a big bubble.

Grin

PanneKopp

P.S. some "Mining-Rig-Investors" will cry

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 23, 2016, 10:42:41 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 23, 2016, 10:12:33 AM

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 23, 2016, 08:08:24 AM

ZEC value has risen almost 50% in the past 24 hours, see, someone is definitely backing it up, and it is most likely the founder burning some of his big 20% founder's fee.

Good for us anyways, I mean, the miners.

until now, zcash is swing back to go up in poloniex market and ready to go up, i hope its a good news for us as i have zcash in my wallet and ready to sell it Grin

but i wonder, can zcash go up until 0.1 btc in new year?

look at these ratios

http://coinmarketcap.com/

gear mining btc 2,380,716,564 GH/s that is 183,000 s9's and that is 274,500,000 usd plus psu's

cap is 14,582,607,308 usd so 18.82%

gear mining eth

5976 gh that is 200,000 rx 480's and that is 42,000,000 usd

cap is 631,622,906 usd so 6.65%

gear mining zec

55 mh is 275,000 rx 480s say 57,750,000 usd

cap is 15,392,931 usd so 375.17%

So gear value to cap value ratios

BTC 18.82%
ETH 6.65%
ZEC 375.17%

DO THESE HAVE MEANING?

if they do zec will soar in value

or BTC and ETH will crash in value.

LOOK AT THIS LIST:

cpu
AMD
INTEL

gpus
GIGABYTE
MSI
ASUS
SAPPHIRE
XFX
VISIONTEK
POWERCOLOR

psus
CORSAIR
EVGA
SEASONIC
COOLER MASTER
ROSEWILL
THERMALTAKE
SILVERSTONE
ANTEC

mobos
ASUS
GIGABYTE
MSI
ASROCK
EVGA
SUPERMICRO
FOXCONN

ram
G.SKILL
CORSAIR
CRUCIAL
HYPERX
GEIL

ssds
SAMSUNG
CRUCIAL
INTEL
SANDISK
ADATA
OCZ

hdds
WESTERN DIGITAL
SEAGATE
HGST
TOSHIBA

pcs
DELL
LENOVO
HP

switches
Dlink
Trendnet
Netgear
TP-Link

all of the above companies have skin in the game. they all can send money in on zec at exchanges as advertising expense.

I own

35 gpus
12 mobos
12 cpus
12 psus
3 switches
12 ssds and or hdds
16 sticks of ram

why is that zec is at a good price that owning all of the above makes sense.

and with the market cap at only 15 million this should last for a while.

Yup, that can be a case too. Even if only one of those big companies want to pump ZEC, they can do it with ease. It seems like we are going to get time-to-time pumps to ZEC.

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Quote from: antantti on December 23, 2016, 03:33:43 PM

Without this bot average mining gpu would be under $1/ day revenue, enjoy it while you can.

OT: look at eth charts, someone wants cheaper eth Grin

There will be more bots this will occur time and time again until the bots cost to much to do.

I estimate this coin to stand or be propped up as long as cap is lower then 35 million.

Since cap is around 15 mill we should be good for 50-65 days of buy bots.

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Quote from: indika on December 23, 2016, 11:22:37 AM

when the zec slow mining start,any time frame or block number

Slow start has ended. Thet was from 28 October to 2 December. Now it goes with full reward 12.5 ZEC for block.

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Without this bot average mining gpu would be under $1/ day revenue, enjoy it while you can.

OT: look at eth charts, someone wants cheaper eth Grin

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well the profit is always the same, the diff is catching up quickly, actually worst just now, and by looking at the daily supply cap it's very difficult to even reach 0.1 per zec

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 23, 2016, 08:08:24 AM

ZEC value has risen almost 50% in the past 24 hours, see, someone is definitely backing it up, and it is most likely the founder burning some of his big 20% founder's fee.

Good for us anyways, I mean, the miners.

Yep, someone is burning btc running aggressive buyingbot, need to look green against btc. Quite boring to watch when there are no shorts to squeeze, but good for miners as you said. How much ammo that bot has remains to be seen.

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when the zec slow mining start,any time frame or block number

philipma1957

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on December 23, 2016, 10:12:33 AM

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 23, 2016, 08:08:24 AM

ZEC value has risen almost 50% in the past 24 hours, see, someone is definitely backing it up, and it is most likely the founder burning some of his big 20% founder's fee.

Good for us anyways, I mean, the miners.

until now, zcash is swing back to go up in poloniex market and ready to go up, i hope its a good news for us as i have zcash in my wallet and ready to sell it Grin

but i wonder, can zcash go up until 0.1 btc in new year?

look at these ratios

http://coinmarketcap.com/

gear mining btc 2,380,716,564 GH/s that is 183,000 s9's and that is 274,500,000 usd plus psu's

cap is 14,582,607,308 usd so 18.82%

gear mining eth

5976 gh that is 200,000 rx 480's and that is 42,000,000 usd

cap is 631,622,906 usd so 6.65%

gear mining zec

55 mh is 275,000 rx 480s say 57,750,000 usd

cap is 15,392,931 usd so 375.17%

So gear value to cap value ratios

BTC 18.82%
ETH 6.65%
ZEC 375.17%

DO THESE HAVE MEANING?

if they do zec will soar in value

or BTC and ETH will crash in value.

LOOK AT THIS LIST:

cpu
AMD
INTEL

gpus
GIGABYTE
MSI
ASUS
SAPPHIRE
XFX
VISIONTEK
POWERCOLOR

psus
CORSAIR
EVGA
SEASONIC
COOLER MASTER
ROSEWILL
THERMALTAKE
SILVERSTONE
ANTEC

mobos
ASUS
GIGABYTE
MSI
ASROCK
EVGA
SUPERMICRO
FOXCONN

ram
G.SKILL
CORSAIR
CRUCIAL
HYPERX
GEIL

ssds
SAMSUNG
CRUCIAL
INTEL
SANDISK
ADATA
OCZ

hdds
WESTERN DIGITAL
SEAGATE
HGST
TOSHIBA

pcs
DELL
LENOVO
HP

switches
Dlink
Trendnet
Netgear
TP-Link

all of the above companies have skin in the game. they all can send money in on zec at exchanges as advertising expense.

I own

35 gpus
12 mobos
12 cpus
12 psus
3 switches
12 ssds and or hdds
16 sticks of ram

why is that zec is at a good price that owning all of the above makes sense.

and with the market cap at only 15 million this should last for a while.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 23, 2016, 08:08:24 AM

ZEC value has risen almost 50% in the past 24 hours, see, someone is definitely backing it up, and it is most likely the founder burning some of his big 20% founder's fee.

Good for us anyways, I mean, the miners.

until now, zcash is swing back to go up in poloniex market and ready to go up, i hope its a good news for us as i have zcash in my wallet and ready to sell it Grin

but i wonder, can zcash go up until 0.1 btc in new year?

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Quote from: Hotmetal on December 20, 2016, 05:53:06 AM

Quote from: Za1n on December 19, 2016, 02:20:53 PM

Quote from: Q_R_V on December 19, 2016, 01:40:32 PM

It will be as same as with ethereum a year ago - period of almost zero profitability and then sudden pump a few months later. You have to wait out this period, do not sell your equipment now, you will thank me later.

My thoughts exactly.

This is the same pattern that happened with Ethereum, when those who stuck it out were able to mine cheap blocks due to the low interest/difficulty and when it pumped later they made out big time.

Negative captain. People were not ready for ETH like they are ready for ZEC. The ship has sailed down the ZEC river and headed to waterfall valley.

While more people might have been ready to mine ZEC on launch, you must also consider that Ethereum actually had 72 million coins in existence before normal miners could mine the first block. So even now Ethereum's equivalent to ZEC's "founders reward" stands at nearly 80% of the total coin supply.

So in this regard ZEC has an even better chance of another surge as the current 20% founders reward is not a heavy weight hanging over its head as is the case with Ethereum.

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ZEC value has risen almost 50% in the past 24 hours, see, someone is definitely backing it up, and it is most likely the founder burning some of his big 20% founder's fee.

Good for us anyways, I mean, the miners.

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Quote from: sanas on December 22, 2016, 10:59:56 AM

Do not say that zcash party is over, zcash party not yet started. HYIP was at first month , but now zcash will look for application on darknet markets.

The Zcash is consolidating.

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Do not say that zcash party is over, zcash party not yet started. HYIP was at first month , but now zcash will look for application on darknet markets.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 22, 2016, 10:20:33 AM

Quote from: antantti on December 22, 2016, 07:50:50 AM

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 22, 2016, 06:19:24 AM

there are big whales behind ZEC, just like Ethereum. They are not letting this party get finished,

Exactly my thoughts.

And to follow up on this thought. The market cap for Zec is tiny so a pump is cheap to do.

The cap is about 12.5 million

A pump of 1 million bucks will raise prices 10 to 20 percent

So what do the Intel commercials in the USA with the guy from Big Bang theory cost?

If Intel and AMD and various mobo companies toss money at this coin it will allow for more sales of their gear.

Zec will not die for a long time.

Corsair
Seasonic
Evga
Biostar
Gigabyte
AMD
Intel
Msi
Power color
Sapphire

Fsp
Antec
Silver stone

All of the above will sell more gear if Zec does well.

Market cap is under 13 million so a boost every few weeks should last for months

I'm mining and holding ZEC for 24+ months. Either it witters away or we will see it as darknets new darling and $500+ million market cap

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Quote from: antantti on December 22, 2016, 07:50:50 AM

Quote from: Raja_MBZ on December 22, 2016, 06:19:24 AM

there are big whales behind ZEC, just like Ethereum. They are not letting this party get finished,

Exactly my thoughts.

And to follow up on this thought. The market cap for Zec is tiny so a pump is cheap to do.

The cap is about 12.5 million

A pump of 1 million bucks will raise prices 10 to 20 percent

So what do the Intel commercials in the USA with the guy from Big Bang theory cost?

If Intel and AMD and various mobo companies toss money at this coin it will allow for more sales of their gear.

Zec will not die for a long time.

Corsair
Seasonic
Evga
Biostar
Gigabyte
AMD
Intel
Msi
Power color
Sapphire

Fsp
Antec
Silver stone

All of the above will sell more gear if Zec does well.

Market cap is under 13 million so a boost every few weeks should last for months

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