Topic: Lophie: I love Vod - page 3. (Read 3129 times)

thats bullshit though, everything you just wrote. all this happened when i first showed up, i was broke and wanted to take the fast route to getting rich and got caught. after i stuck around here and started making money programming and mining+trading altcoins(ie making legitimate money) i felt it was probably necessary to go ahead and admit to bdub he was right and caught me fair and square. i didn't think it would cause such a shitstorm, i mean...honestly i'm not running around scamming anymore, i've got bigger fish to fry? can't a dude get a second chance? i'm not sticking up for either one of these shitty scammers, their game is obvious, and further more i resent that you would lump me into a group with them. i read this thread because i have respect for lophie, nothing to do with you.

Man.  You KNOW why you were scammer tagged.  It was partly because of the BTCJam loans and partly because you were looking for a loan of up to $20,000 and offering a 500% APR

You took down the loan requests.  I told you that didn't immediately remove the distrust, but I would remove it in a couple months.  You agreed, told me you would stop the reputation loans, and locked the thread.   But you have started the loans up again!     And attacking me here supporting an identity thief does not help me trust you either!

Here it all is:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3204648

Hello Lophie,

Because I understand how it looks because of Vod's accusation (made before your thread was started), I go into great detail about how he has lied about me. I will spare you multiple readings:

Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3214203
It breaks down, lie by lie, every falsehood Vod has accused me of, including attacking my Christian religion.

Vod posted that in my trust profile to do exactly that, scare away borrowers. If he hadn't lied and defamed me like that, you probably would have PM'ed me, I would have responded and that's it.

I was taken aback you accused me of scamming you when I did nothing to you Lophie. A PM would have sufficed. But again, I have taken into account the way Vod's lies make me look.

As I posted earlier, I am new to Bitcoin. I have yet to master it by any means. I was caught off guard because the date you expected it was a Sunday, and my main source for getting Bitcoin had reached their maximum output on LocalBitcoins.com. I tried doing it through another lenders but they were cash only, not online transfer. All banks are closed on Sunday in USA, so I was unable to pull it off. Sorry for the delay, I honestly did not aim to do it on purpose. In fact I tried to make sure it would happen today but got blindsided by the learning curve using LocalBitcoins.com.

As of now, I have 1.89 BTC in my wallet, if that helps I can send now, and the rest tomorrow when the bank is open (and I can get my supply of Bitcoin through LocalBitcoins.com). Again sorry, if you don't want to proceed I understand. Otherwise I can lend you the 1.89 now to show good faith, and the rest tomorrow. Or if you prefer we can call it off. Just know I am not a scammer and have nothing to hide. The two loans I have funded speak for themselves.

You should face it that you just totally miss the point.

Reputation loans are quite normal at BTCjam.
Users without reputation loans are actually rare, I saw just 1 of them.

On the contrary, reputations loans are not normal here because BitcoinTalk has no:
- ID verification
- Address verification
- Phone verification
- Paypal verification
- Credit score verification
- Social networks verification

Here's my score:
C+
Identity verified:    yes    Phone verified:    yes
Address verified:    yes    Credit score verified:    yes
PayPal verified:    yes    Social Networks: yes

I and other people can easily pay off a $1000k loan but I use the leverage to make $1500.
That's the whole point of a site like BTCjam. Some people take the risk for the leverage, some are happy with minimum margin.

So before you accuse people of being scammer. Look in the mirror and ask if yourself If you was a newbie, would you like to have a chance to prove yourself?

Dude - you admitted to scamming people.  How much more proof do I need?  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3175360

i3lome did seem to be legit to me as well - I'm not sure why he'd make up the story that HE send me pms about SSN.  I never claimed he did.  I assume his business relationship with AW probably had something to do with it.

Anyway, I wonder how many more scammer tagged users are going to make an appearance in this thread.  Almost like someone is going through my trust list like an address book.  Oh well, scammers will stick together.

you were pretty undescriptive in your critique of me. i'm not against you, i agree andrew and bcleader are scammers, but i3lome seems to have legitimate critique. You seem to run around the forum tagging people with little proof. its troubling how you have gained default feedback status, since you don't even make thorough inquiries, you just read, decide and act. you need to talk to people like tradefortress and theymos before you go randomly tagging to your hearts content.

Whoops!  So I did!  Sorry!   

I confirm that Vod did not ask me nor encouraged me to post what I posted. However he indeed sent me a PM yesterday but to be fair he did not bash Andrew at all he just suggested I notice the trust feedback he has. I don't know if you forgot about it Vod but you did.

Bitcoinleader, you have negative feedback because you are pulling a long con.  You cannot deny it.
https://btcjam.com/users/6971

Yes, there are three people against me.

AndrewWilliams - scammer
Bitcoinleader - scammer
i3lome - not sure why this user attacked me, but he obviously posted a lie.  I said the identity of the person who sent me the info will remain anonymous.  Nowhere will you find my mentioning i3lome at all.  Lying about me makes me not trust you, so justifiable negative rep given.

Three against me.  Dozens in support.  I have never been wrong about a scammer yet.

Hi guys. Just came back home. Of course I have to explain myself I don't want to misjudge people.

You all were here ever since I posted the loan request you all read the escalation of discussion of my information, proof of funds and collateral. So lets move from there.

Andrew, Disagreeing with Vod does not make you innocent but again does not make you guilty. Please understand that all of us here understand this. This is Bitcoin world and it is full of FUD.

But the accusations from Vod are real and they described you as an identity thief and described your pattern of behaviour which you cannot deny that you followed it to the letter today.

Finding a person requesting a loan showing intention of willingness to fund that loan and after the "alleged" victim gives their personal information, communication ceases.

(I have to point here that Andrew asked specific questions and did the due diligence regarding my collateral which is too much for just a scammer. This must be noted.)

Now if you kindly explain to us why we should not think that this is the case. May you please enlighten us after all the communications yesterday and agreements, sending of personal information and you finalizing everything with "The bitcoins will be there by tomorrow morning.". Why did you not either send the Bitcoins or PM/post anything regarding the delay.

Now assuming that indeed you had an issue that made you unable to either send the loan or post about the delay. Why did you accept this time constrained loan request if you knew you cannot fulfil it in time? Do you know that this lending market is full of people who are willing to lend me and others for even less interest than you? Yes I willingly jumped waiting for all of them because I was indeed under a time constraint and yes I accepted a 20% interest rate now I could not pay for the family expenses because you did not let someone else take the deal when you knew you cannot fulfil it on time. I hope you can see the extend of how unreliable "as a lender for a time constrained loan" you are.

I am sorry if the thread new subject offends you and I am willing to change it as we discuss what happened with you. I apologize my eyes only see what is in front of them please tell us about what is on the background. Tell us what exactly happened.

I also checked my PM. If what happened was not exactly as Vod's post accused pattern of yours. I wouldn't have posted what I posted. I am sorry and please tell us your side of the story. Thank you.

Just look how he actually say I'm the scammer, withouth proof. Did anyone give me negative trust about I scammed someone?

No it's Blob, I mean Vod  who think's he is has a Jedi mind.

Vod is a scammer, he scams people into thinkin innocent people are scammers everybody knows that, by reading that topic.

Now I understand why you always say "You might wanna lock up that thread" because that's what you say when you feel you it's turning against you and it will damage your reputation.

You're just making things up. How can you scam people when sending money using Paypal? Are you saying people can bypass the Paypal Dispute? You're talking nonsense, I will be determined to become a hero member and my Negative will show up turning you red mister Vod. So will other people's negative rep come for you.

Don't think you can abuse your Trust Vod, because your actions will work against you. People are determined to bring you DOWN harder than you are trying to smear them. Mark my words.

You have at least 3 people against you. Who knows how many more there will be. Karma is a bitch that's why I don't scam. And that's why you will be punished.

Wow, it doesn't stop.

I did not offer BitcoinLeader anything, nor did I contact him and tell him to post anything prior to his post. He did so on his own accord. Again, Mods are free to check my account inside out.

Vod, again, shoots first and asks questions later. It took about 2 seconds for Vod to throw BitcoinLeader under the bus and brand him as untrustworthy.

The truth is Vod is abusing his power. Plain and simple. This is not a good way to interact with forum members who seek to grow the community.

[UPDATE]
Now Vod is accusing BitcoinLeader of requesting a reputation scam loan, when Vod made a reputation loan himself today! Vod just want to trash newbies reputation before even giving them a chance! BitcoinLeader closed his own thread on his OWN volution admitting he was oblivious to the fact that it's frowned upon for a newbie to request large loans, yet Vod keeps the bad feedback on him and continues to trash him, including on this thread!

 

Posting the link to Vod's reputation loan he made, which he so despises.

Oh no.  Another scammer calling me out.  Is AndrewWilliams going through my profile and messaging everyone I have scammer tagged?  What he offer to give you?  

You are a scammer BitcoinLeader - everyone knows that.  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cancelled-30-interest-per-2-months-round-1-20k-cap-296512

BTW - I noticed you started up your reputation scam on btcjam again - despite promising me you would stop.  
https://btcjam.com/users/6971

Looks like AndrewWillaims will be supporting the scammers to attack me.  Oh well.

Good post BitcoinLeader, I am glad others are standing up to this bully.

In all honesty, I never, ever would ask someone for their social security number. It is just not true.

I have called out on Vod several times to produce proof. He ignores me, locks his thread he made to defame me, and goes on spamming that I am a scammer with no proof, even having been refuted with evidence to the contrary. Namely successfully funded loans, in which I bear the enormity of the risk.

I am reaching out to the Mods to put Vod's lie to rest.

Also, I would not put it past Vod to use a sockpuppet account to send himself a PM saying I requested a social security number. When I laid it out in the open, that he would be found out by the Mods if he indeed tried this, since there would be no correlating PM from me to the sock puppet account, he responded in anger, locking the thread.



To make it perfectly clear: I already understand that the goal is to stop scammers before they scam, not only giving neg feedback after a scam has occurred. But it is a clear abuse of power in Vod's case, especially when making up the lie that I am asking for socials and bank info, when that is 100% untrue. If Vod needs to go to the lengths of making up things to strengthen his claim of a scam, he is going about this in the wrong fashion.

Whoa.  I don't know what Andrew Williams offered you, but I never said you were the guy who reported that.  You're making a story up and obviously untrustworthy.   

Can any mods confirm that he did or did not asked for SSN?

I think that's a pretty serious false accusation of Vod. And with your "Trust", such actions weights even heavier.

If you really made up that accusation of him asking for SSN than you actually did something that is not trustworthy.

Why would you say something like that unless you are really abusing your "Trust"?
Everybody should negative rep you Vod for randomly accusing people with imaginary actions!

The way you gave me negative feedback makes me look I already scammed someone, though we never did any transactions and I did no transactions at all with anyone on this forum.
It looks like you live by  "Guilty until proven innocence". How can I scam someone when I want to loan using Paypal with buyers protection? I never asked to loan bitcoins here.

Now if I was you, then I already gave you a negative rep withouth warning because you falsely accused someone for asking SSN even though I'm not sure if it's true or not. Think about that.

From what I see, you can give negative rep to anyone you think is a scammer, you don't need to have risked anything, you don't need to have spoken the person. You can just negative rep someone withouth asking.

Vod thinks his "job" is to spot scammers before they attack, you know like in Minority Report. He thinks his intuition is always true. He thinks it gives him reps by spotting scammers (even though not all of them are scammers).
He doesn't care if it's not a scammer, if it's a newbie, its almost 100% a scammer and he thinks he gets meaningful reps  by claiming to have spot one. This is the only place he thinks he has reputation because in real life he probably has nothing.


I was really thinking you are just protective to this community but now I just think you are abusing your trust and smearing people you don't like when they confront you in conversations.

I just want to clear some stuff up.  

The accusations placed on AndrewWilliams are completely false.  Vod has invented these accusations and is using his "Trust" to bully users.

He is purposely interpreting things to fit his agenda. I am the guy that Vod is saying that was Asked for my Social Security Number and other documents that will be used to steal my identity.

This is False- Was never asked for my  SSN, I didn't provide documents to prove I am who I said and my address was where I said it was. In fact many of the Bitcoin Users- provide BTCjam with more information then I had too.

I feel safe with him having my information. There was never and shady business involved. He was direct and to the point.  

Also I received the 4BTC Loan without problems from AndrewWilliams.


Vod has been the only issue.

It makes No sense, Vod give a Lender Negative Feedback that has provided proof that money was being lent. RussianBussiness received a loan before I did, also confirmed he receive the loan on that thread.

Vod is completely unreasonable and out of line, the negative feedback is being held as some sort of ransom, asking for someone to call him to prove themselves.

I can see if I asked my lawyer to contact a random person on the internet to prove they are real. He would laugh, Vod you are not the site owner, you are not a lender. SO why anyone would need to prove something to a person not involved is just stupid.

You just make posts to make yourself feel important and when people don't agree with you post negative feedback, using Senior Members trust in you, to ruin their experience on the forum. Just like Mlawrence used to, had sometype of complex. Would make sense if he was you, Vod - "Virtual God"

You should let Lophie decide for himself instead of trying to bait him like you did with other members on here.

You would love him to lock the thread because you know I am right, that this was a misunderstanding caused by YOUR fear mongering and baseless neg feedback.

You tried the same thing with the loan I made to i3lome, but in that case, i3lome didn't fall for your lies. I was a day or two late delivering the loan to him, but that is based on my newness to Bitcoin and in making transfers. His loan was funded despite all your attempts at derailing it.
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Lophie, I've messaged you. It's 7 PM here Pacific Time, I know your time zone it's already Monday but, message me when you're back on.

To reiterate, Vod tried the same scare tactic that relied on his neg feedback in i3lome's thread. If you read the thread you can see I successfully funded i3lome. Yes I was a day late, but you can cough that up to me being new to Bitcoin and the learning curve involved.

i3lome's Loan Thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3201870

My trackrecord:
i3lome: Successfully funded. Done without collateral, used contract and ID.
russianbusinesman: Successfully funded. Done with collateral, and ID.

Those are the only two loans I have funded. Both borrowers are happy from what I can tell. I have never entered into any other loan with anybody else.

So sorry I am technically late in funding you loan, but being a day late does not mean I am scamming you. Thanks for reading, I hope to hear back from you.

Hmmm Lophie, you may want to consider locking the thread too, or else A.Williams is going to use it as yet another canvas for his delusions.  I have him on ignore so I won't ever respond to him, but I'm sure the community is getting sick of all the BS he spews in EVERY THREAD.  

Don't pat yourself on the back yet, Vod you liar.

You have no proof and have accused me of identity theft and asking for social security numbers for the past couple days with no proof. You are nothing more than a lying troll.

YOU STILL HAVE NOT PRODUCED THE PM YOU CLAIM TO HAVE YOU SAY THAT SHOWS I ASKED FOR A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER.

I WELCOME MODS TO CHECK YOUR PM's AND SHOW YOU ARE FULL OF IT.

VOD HAS PUT ME ON IGNORE EVER SINCE I CALLED HIM OUT ON PRODUCING PROOF, THE SO-CALLED PM HE SAYS HE HAS.

THERE IS NO SUBSTANCE TO YOUR ACCUSATIONS, AND ALL YOU ARE DOING IS FEAR MONGORING. I CAN THANK YOU FOR SCARING LOPHIE INTO MAKING A RASH POST INSTEAD OF CALMLY WAITING FOR THE LOAN.

THE LOAN THREAD YOU CITED WAS SUCCESSFULLY FUNDED BY ME. THERE IS NO SCAM. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE YELLING SCAM OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND YOU DO IT BASED ON WHIMS, NOT EVIDENCE.