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Topic: Losing a martingale is easier than you think - page 3. (Read 2278 times)

legendary
Activity: 1120
Merit: 1000
... indeed, with an house edge of 1% and betting 2x, you have 19.33% of chances to encounter an 8 losing streak in your first 100 bets. 1/5, not so hard...

The math behind this is really hard, I struggled a bit to find it out and I definitely can't understand it, but for people who can here's the link:

http://www.askamathematician.com/2010/07/q-whats-the-chance-of-getting-a-run-of-k-successes-in-n-bernoulli-trials-why-use-approximations-when-the-exact-answer-is-known/


And, for lazy people like me, here you can find a calculator:

http://maxgriffin.net/CalcStreaks.shtml


I'm just sharing, because I was asking thiis question myself for a time, and now I found the answer

The number 19.33% you get is close enough, but it is not correct. With a house edge of 1%, you actually have 50.5% chance to lose a 2x bet, and hence the actual chance for you to get 8 losses in a row in 100 bets is 18.15141%. It seems you have used 51% in your calculation which would implies a 2% house edge instead of 1%.
legendary
Activity: 1006
Merit: 1000
of course loosing martingale is extremely easy, in order to win big you need to bet big and if you will win big it will fail you in a few rolls, in my opinion its better to avoid it

This is a strategy high risk to use with small amount. But for me in gambling no strategies
It is depends on luck and dont be greedy if you got a profit or you will lose it.
sr. member
Activity: 504
Merit: 250
of course loosing martingale is extremely easy, in order to win big you need to bet big and if you will win big it will fail you in a few rolls, in my opinion its better to avoid it
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1003
If you place minimum bets and this way martingale works then too there is no use of it.If would be good if this martingale strategy works for both minimum and big bets.It really didn't work for me never.
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1005
I already say that martingale doesn't work if you keep playing in long sessions.I always loose whenever I tried martingale.All you need is just luck because if you are lucky enough you will get many green streaks in random bets.Quite a few times I won and all the time was when I placed random bets.
hero member
Activity: 896
Merit: 502
I know martingale is a bad strategy for dice games or casino.
But you can make profit with martingale with sportbets.
I use martingale and bet on number of goals.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1205
Betting min amount using this strategy with a nice bankroll that can survive 30 straight losses. do that for 1 month straight
Example

1satoshi/second x 60sec = 60sat x 60 Minutes = 3600sat x 24 hours = 86,400sat per day x 30 = 2,592,000 sat

That's why I posted the calculator. With an house edge of 1%...

The probability of a streak of at least 30 consecutive successes in 2592000 trials is 0.07%


This very good chance of winning, but you still need roughly 25+ btc bankroll to win 0.0259 btc... it's like plain betting
legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
Betting min amount using this strategy with a nice bankroll that can survive 30 straight losses. do that for 1 month straight
Example

1satoshi/second x 60sec = 60sat x 60 Minutes = 3600sat x 24 hours = 86,400sat per day x 30 = 2,592,000 sat

2,592,000 satoshis is roughly only $11 USD; your electricity probably costs more than what you will make. Also, you can't count on making 1 satoshi a second, as you might lose a few times. This strategy would work in theory, but it is probably not worth it.
sr. member
Activity: 1036
Merit: 253
Betting min amount using this strategy with a nice bankroll that can survive 30 straight losses. do that for 1 month straight
Example

1satoshi/second x 60sec = 60sat x 60 Minutes = 3600sat x 24 hours = 86,400sat per day x 30 = 2,592,000 sat
legendary
Activity: 1624
Merit: 1007
... indeed, with an house edge of 1% and betting 2x, you have 19.33% of chances to encounter an 8 losing streak in your first 100 bets. 1/5, not so hard...

The math behind this is really hard, I struggled a bit to find it out and I definitely can't understand it, but for people who can here's the link:

http://www.askamathematician.com/2010/07/q-whats-the-chance-of-getting-a-run-of-k-successes-in-n-bernoulli-trials-why-use-approximations-when-the-exact-answer-is-known/


And, for lazy people like me, here you can find a calculator:

http://maxgriffin.net/CalcStreaks.shtml


I'm just sharing, because I was asking thiis question myself for a time, and now I found the answer

Martingale can work, it really depends on luck and your bankroll. While what you say is true, the 8 loosing streak can come very fast but to make profit you need to survive longer than 8 losses. I believe there was a player on BitDice some time ago who played martingale on something like 48.5% or something like that. He played for months and won over 100 BTC in the end, i think close to 200.

"martingale can work" but it's incredibly stupid.

Here's a fun math problem to figure out why it's dumb. Calculate the odds of winning, x in a row. Calculate the odds of losing x in a row. They are exactly the same if you are flipping a coin. Now calculate how much you win if you win x in a row, and compare that to how much you lose when you lose x in a row (which has the same odds on flipping a coin, and will actually be easier to do on a dice site with 2x payouts). See how incredibly different those numbers are? Why would anyone think that's a good idea?

There is no such thing as a "good idea" in gambling nor a strategy that is proven to work. I just brought out an example of someone who did successfully win using the strategy playing almost all the time over the course of 2 months using autobet. It can work but that does not mean it will.
legendary
Activity: 3374
Merit: 3095
BTC price road to $80k
martingale works for me but i cant make lots of profit just few cents really dont understand the calculation but
Im always using martingale as my strategy even if i got a small profit i will accept it as my winning profit..
And i use it in other dice site again and try to gain a small profit..
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1000
... indeed, with an house edge of 1% and betting 2x, you have 19.33% of chances to encounter an 8 losing streak in your first 100 bets. 1/5, not so hard...

The math behind this is really hard, I struggled a bit to find it out and I definitely can't understand it, but for people who can here's the link:

http://www.askamathematician.com/2010/07/q-whats-the-chance-of-getting-a-run-of-k-successes-in-n-bernoulli-trials-why-use-approximations-when-the-exact-answer-is-known/


And, for lazy people like me, here you can find a calculator:

http://maxgriffin.net/CalcStreaks.shtml


I'm just sharing, because I was asking thiis question myself for a time, and now I found the answer

Martingale can work, it really depends on luck and your bankroll. While what you say is true, the 8 loosing streak can come very fast but to make profit you need to survive longer than 8 losses. I believe there was a player on BitDice some time ago who played martingale on something like 48.5% or something like that. He played for months and won over 100 BTC in the end, i think close to 200.

"martingale can work" but it's incredibly stupid.

Here's a fun math problem to figure out why it's dumb. Calculate the odds of winning, x in a row. Calculate the odds of losing x in a row. They are exactly the same if you are flipping a coin. Now calculate how much you win if you win x in a row, and compare that to how much you lose when you lose x in a row (which has the same odds on flipping a coin, and will actually be easier to do on a dice site with 2x payouts). See how incredibly different those numbers are? Why would anyone think that's a good idea?
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1205
Do you think this will work, play in 10 different casino and apply the strategy, set a bankroll for each with 20k satoshis and bet the minimum of 1sat.. leave it running for 24 hours. what are the chances that you will still loose in the end,

" In the end" , You have 100% losing chanche
elm
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
You don't have to do the math for gambling as long as the casino has positive house edge, because you'll lose in long run.
Big bankroll, low base bet, luck & strategy can reduce the risks, but i think it can't help much.

Skill-based gambling is place where you can win easily if you really know how to do/speculate Roll Eyes

after this posting it would be good to lock the thread because this posting says it all. thank you mate
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 3282
Do you think this will work, play in 10 different casino and apply the strategy, set a bankroll for each with 20k satoshis and bet the minimum of 1sat.. leave it running for 24 hours. what are the chances that you will still loose in the end,
Chances are still very high. Probably better to put all your satoshis in one casino, so you can have a bigger loss streak.
hero member
Activity: 1316
Merit: 514
martingale is only a lose of time, because can is good for low bet, like 1-10 satoshi . If i start my betting to 10.000 satoshi with margingale i get have more bitcoin to invest and the bankroll of dice get is very high for accept big bet.
i see to more dice with faucet, more user start martingale from 1 satoshi and the site is more slow for all this bet
10k starting on this strategy is really high for me, for those with bankrolls this would be feasible
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1082
martingale is only a lose of time, because can is good for low bet, like 1-10 satoshi . If i start my betting to 10.000 satoshi with margingale i get have more bitcoin to invest and the bankroll of dice get is very high for accept big bet.
i see to more dice with faucet, more user start martingale from 1 satoshi and the site is more slow for all this bet
hero member
Activity: 1316
Merit: 514
Do you think this will work, play in 10 different casino and apply the strategy, set a bankroll for each with 20k satoshis and bet the minimum of 1sat.. leave it running for 24 hours. what are the chances that you will still loose in the end,
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1205
The meaning of doing math is to understand why plain betting is just better than martingale...
legendary
Activity: 2870
Merit: 7490
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You don't have to do the math for gambling as long as the casino has positive house edge, because you'll lose in long run.
Big bankroll, low base bet, luck & strategy can reduce the risks, but i think it can't help much.

Skill-based gambling is place where you can win easily if you really know how to do/speculate Roll Eyes
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