Topic: ➫ ➬ ➫ ➬ LUCKYB.IT ★ +2M bets ★ +100,000 BTC wagered - page 303. (Read 415123 times)

Hello, I honestly think you're seeing incorrectly the points I left above from your earlier post. I felt the need to reply to this as someone else might take your view as the right one, since no one made objections to it so far. So here are my corrections on the points above.

Offchain:

• pro: easier to develop (don't need to worry about confirmations and double spends) -> Offchain sites absolutely need to worry about confirmations. It has to track the transactions received to make sure it doesn't double credit accounts, and sites accepting deposits on 0 confirmations needs to implement methods for preventing withdrawals and/or rollbacks if the deposit turns out to be a double spend. Offchain sites also commonly distributes a new address on each new account/deposit, while on the chain only has a fixed set of addresses. On the chain is much easier to develop and manage.
• con: often insecure (remember those InstaWallet URLs?) -> This is a kind of generalization that doesn't make sense. Sites working on the chain can be just as unsafe by being badly secured and/or programmed, risking all its funds. The same can be said about off the chain sites, so there is no point to be made here.
• con: provably fair less strong -> There is no such thing. The bets are either provably fair or not. You probably meant something regarding public audits.
• con: can't play "headless" (needs site open) -> Not true, several sites provides ways for the players to play through some API.

Onchain:

• pro: strongly provably fair -> Again, no such thing see. See comment above.
• pro: trust-free -> The operator is free to run away with any deposits and/or not send back winning bets, there is no such thing as trust-free here.
• con: hard to do properly (risks of double spend when doing instant payouts) -> See the first point above.

yep, pretty good break down.
But there's no contradiction in offering both offchain and onchain-
I suppose all it takes is the demand for it and of course the time.

Very good point you are making there, never considered the privacy side of it.

Offchain/onchain is a complex discussion and maybe deserves another thread. We certainly noticed that many players ask for offchain because it seems to be the trend, event though many of them don't understand the implications.

We thought long and hard about offchain vs. onchain, and this is how we see it:

Offchain:

• pro: easier to develop (don't need to worry about confirmations and double spends)
• pro: privacy
• pro: don't need separate client/tab open
• pro: can do microtransactions
• pro: less fees
• con: often insecure (remember those InstaWallet URLs?)
• con: pushes risk of security on the player (remember your password etc)
• con: player funds on site
• con: provably fair less strong
• con: can't play "headless" (needs site open)

Onchain:

• pro: strongly provably fair
• pro: much more secure for player (it's on the blockchain after all )
• pro: can play "headless"
• pro: trust-free
• con: hard to do properly (risks of double spend when doing instant payouts)
• con: more fees
• con: no microtransactions
• con: privacy

Many on the disadvantages of onchain are for the developer, and many of the advantages for the player. We think that we picked the hard choice, making it better for the player and harder for us (after all, the only disadvantages for the player are less privacy and the need for your wallet while playing) But as a result, you have a stable, secure, provable fair and trust-free game.

Now there's the question of "spamming the blockchain" (another one that deserves a hole different post, and another one that is poorly understood in our eyes ). If a site needs to make high speed and/or micro transactions  (ie <0.001 BTC) it basically has no choice: this can't be done onchain. Thus, all these projects doing thousands of dice rolls a minute have to do it offchain. For example, the same is true for an access point providing Internet access for 1mBTC per minute.

On the other hand, a site that follows 0.8.2 rules can well go onchain if it doesn't send thousands of microtransactions a minute. We're always sending a meaningful amount, and we pay the miners good money for it (now that we've fixed that fee bug, anyways ). Furthermore, due to the delay in the game there's no incentive for the player to play more often than every ~15 seconds, which inherently limits the amount of transactions per player.

launder, sorry. it was a typo.
I mean, running them through some collective wallet

Unless you lauder ............ please explain?

thanks

re offchain/onchain:

an advantage of onchain games (not mentioned in the OP) is that they are "more provably fair."
An offchain site could just change your balance to any amount. Then you could go
complain on the forums, but it'd be your reputation against theirs. Can't do it with onchain.

but on the otherhand after gambling onchain anyone whom you send your coins
will see that you are a gambler. Unless you launder your coins of course.

Congrats.

As a responsible user in this forum I have to really tell guys that BitcoinCasinoPro is not a good place to take reference on. As from a few casino on our community have responded and posted out that this user is asking for bribes to have a positive rating.

PS: For accurate rating, b!z one is kinda solid proof and rated fairly. Trust experienced user, not a random 3 months old newbie who doesn't got his mind around Bitcoin logic yet.

A letter to you, BitcoinCasinoPro

I love the falling coins. I will try the game later today.

Good looking site! Playing tonight and hopefully more tomorrow

We got the question already: why most of the bets arrive in 5 seconds and suddenly one takes minutes?
Simply because we don't accept bets contained in transactions whose inputs are themselves unconfirmed. In that case they are delayed until all inputs gets confirmed.
It can happen if you play (or are sending transactions somewhere else) very fast so your coins don't have time to confirm before playing again.

Enough technicalities: in practice, if it happens your bets will go through as soon as the next block is mined, no worry!

(This is explained in the "how to" section in the menu, but maybe we will also add a FAQ for this kind of stuff...)


Note that if you "miss" your bet and have any doubt what happend, remember that you can browse everything and search by address or transaction id in the bet browser: http://luckyb.it/browse

Sure is and pretty fun guess time will tell.

Regarding payments they all just finally came in and confirmed.

offchain for sure, but it reminds of The Price Is Right style of game ;p

Interesting game, just a problem....

It should be offchain.   Onchain games are the past.

Think about making it offchain

The site looks very interesting so far. I will be watching this thread.

Regarding the e-mail that you sent us, presenting your offer to pay 12BTC a year to be listed on your bitcoin-casino-review website, we kindly decline the offer.

The game works with any address that you control (that is not shared with others).
I'm surprised you miss payments! Can you provide the transaction ids for which you think you didn't receive payouts?
For the "lower than expected returns": the site is provably fair, so if something is wrong we will spot it all together! Can you elaborate, by giving transaction ids?

I tested the service out for about 30 minutes today I also have a bunch of missing payouts, lower then expected returns etc..  Does this service work with coinbase properly? We also sent you an email

The fix is online. It took us quite some time due to that other bug that we had to fix at the same time.

By now the missing transaction also confirmed. Sorry that it took so long!

Thanks again for spotting this problem! We've found a very nasty bug related to the fee calculation rules.