Topic: Lutpin and his kinds are not gods so stop it. (Read 863 times)

It can also be a solution. However, I think it would be better to give this money to charity.
In my opinion these are community funds, so we should decide together.

Lutpin paid out 0.82BTC in this transaction.


He'll have to do something eventually I would assume. I think that donating it to charity wouldn't raise any complaints, as the only other suggested usage of the remainder was to give it to campaign participants (which obviously didn't happen and won't happen).

Why exactly do you think you are entitled to request Lutpin to do anything about this? Whatever he decides, someone will complain about it. Therefore it is best to not do anything.

Let me bump this thread, becuse i also would like to ask Lutpin in public, about his escrow.

I want to point out, that I am not accusing him of anything, but it seems to me, that he should clarify this situation. (difficult situation)

The case refer to the Ebitz signature campaign : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ebitz-signature-campaign-stopped-1682519

Where Lutpin escrowed 4 BTC : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16896804

Ebitz project turn in to a scam.

It happened in November 2016, payment for the campaign was made - actually I don't know from which funds, because Lutpin still hold whole 4 BTC:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/13GZLCEmeueHPxwGUMH3eYSRASs5di5Xfx

There were different ideas about what to do with these funds, but it seems that the decision has not been taken up yet.
It is possible that he just forgot about it, but I think that it is time to decide what to do with these funds.

"noblebirth" Is that even a word? Yes, the thread is not to judge if Lutpin is a good or a bad manager because we all know he's exceptionally good at managing the campaigns. It's just the DT system which needs a fix.

From what I know the funds are in Lutpin escrow so no not really.

And it doesn't change the fact that he might consider at least giving some news in the 6 weeks of unpaid campaign...

But the thread wasn't to say Lutpin is a good or a bad manager, just that you don't need to talk to him like he's some kind of noblebirth that's all.

He already gave an update to bitblender campaign too about transferring the campaign to new manager.So soon most of the campaigns managed by Lutpin will be taken over by some new manager in few days (I hope).

He had good reputation but don't know still why he didn't gave an update why there is such delay in the payment processing. Which already killed his reputation.

That's not exactly true, see my reply on this other thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48486945

Look, I personally trust Lutpin because he has given me no reason to distrust him.

That doesn't mean he can't make mistakes though. If I was a member of the Bitblender campaign, I probably would have been somewhat pissed if payments were delayed for such a long time.
In the end it's the campaign manager's responsibility to communicate these sorts of issues to the participants.

Now, I do want to add that aside from this issue, he has a great track record.
Mistakes like these can be forgiven in my opinion. He did give an update eventually & we don't know how much of this was due to Bitblender.

You don't need to prove anything if you want to tag someone on this forum. Trust is based on your own personal beliefs, and if you feel mistreated by someone you can leave feedback. It's also not permanent. It can serve as a reminder for that person that someone has a problem with him. When the problem gets solved, the trust will change to neutral or positive.

The way I see it, Lutpin was online and did not explain the delay. If he made things clear and communicated with campaign members, there wouldn't be an issue to talk about here.

Being 6 weeks late in paying someone, especially with no communication should be a massive red flag and it would be prudent to not trust him with additional money until at least this gets resolved, possibly longer depending on the circumstances the money is paid, assuming it eventually gets paid.

He has been trusted with a lot of money in the past but you don’t know his financial situation now. You also don’t know if he has decided that his reputation isn’t worth the amount he is holding for others.

I would avoid doing business with him until this is resolved.

This thread is really funny. Been in his campaign for over 1.5 years and there was never a single delay in the payments. Has anybody ever considered that the owners of the campaign could equally be at the fault by not sending payments to him on time? Just going around tagging a respected member without solid proofs is not needed to be honest. Like you can consider Crypto-games.net campaign managed by him and there wasn't any delay till date?

Secondstrade was the worst campaign as far as I remember then yobit. Bitmixer wasn't until people rejected from other campaign joined it and with the takedown of yobit and secondstrade spammers, bitmixer became one of the worst until lauda strikes back. Good old days yeah.

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Personally, i don't mind waiting for a year because I am pretty sure I will get paid whether by lutpin or lightlord (will they ruin their reputation for some moneh?) and I am basically holding my BiTCents. And yeah most likely i will not be accepted by almost all campaigns because i am a hyperactive member obviously! For the other participants I don't know...

Any kind of reputation or trust system introduces a power structure, thus inherently making people unequal. In the forum's case, you'd be talking about Staff, DT and/or users who just have a high trust rating. This is a crucial part of pretty mcuh every society, relax.

There's really no need to do this. There's a very good reason why they aren't complaining, i.e. they are not very good posters and need the campaign for its income. If they were certain that they could strike a similar deal elsewhere, and had integrity, they'd be more willing to speak up.

Ahh, the good ol' days until the agencies came knocking on the door.

Dude, I didn't even know the Yobit campaign was still runnning!  I have sigs blocked, but I have noticed your personal message and I think I once asked you if you were still in the campaign but don't recall if I got a reply.  I could have imagined that anyway, or it could have been someone else.

I didn't say Secondstrade was automated, just that it was not managed by an outside campaign manager that they hired but the Secondstrade.com account on bitcointalk itself.

No waiting, you say. I'm waiting more than 4 months since the last payment . Some participants got payments few weeks ago, but I talked with few guys and they still didn't got payment since June or July, like me.
As I remember, Yobit were tagged by some DT members for accepting shitposters. Then they hired Hilariousandco as campaign manager. Then I remember him large lists of removed users quite often.
And I think you confused Secondstrade with Bitmixer. Bitmixer was automated campaign, not Secondstrade and they a lot of shitposters in their campaign, until they decided to hire Lauda. Secondstrade campaign wasn't that bad.

If they wanted their "flexibility" they should have stated such in their OP/contract.
A breach of their word is a breach of their word IMO and it's a shame that "managers" are so seemingly immune to repercussions of failing to uphold their promised obligations, and the companies they work for let it go on.
If anything they should be held to the highest standard but somehow they are regularly allowed to slip very far out of line because they are royalty/posters are desperate to be paid/standards are low.

I'm sure I took the criticism about Yobit spammers personally and someone accused me of being one on my trust wall, but I don't remember there being nearly the amount of scam accusations against Yobit back then as opposed to now.  My demeanor and attitude have probably changed somewhat from my Yobit days.

However, though I tried to be diplomatic about it, I was in Lutpin's 777Coin campaign and at one point posted this in the thread:
I finally quit the campaign because of stuff like this, but I'll also admit I was 1) too impatient, and 2) not nearly so well-versed in how "flexible" campaign managers are in terms of when they make payments.  I think I deleted my final post in that thread because it was basically something juvenile, like "I'm done with this campaign".   I never disliked Lutpin and still respect him, and I don't mean the neg trust on him to reflect anything personal or vindictive because of crap like the above.  If I were him I probably would have told me to STFU and be patient.

However....the latest delays that the Lutpin/Lightlord campaigns have experienced go far beyond defending like I did with Yobit or you, suchmoon, might have done with the Asicminer campaign.  Neither of those made their participants suffer quite like Lutpin/Lightlord's have as far as I know (though now that I'm remembering Yobit, that fucking "withdrawal" button used to get frozen quite often).

It bears repeating that not only were the Bitvest/777Coin participants made to wait weeks to get paid, but bitcoin dropped severely during part of that time they were waiting.  That's doubly wrong. 

And boy, I'd really love to hear from more of the campaign participants themselves.  Some have spoken up, but most have not and I can't imagine that it's because they don't have an opinion on the matter.

I don't recall the details but I remember you in the Yobit campaign and getting some flack for being defensive about the shittiness of their participants and about scam accusations against Yobit itself. I don't hold that against you as I understand that things are never black and white. I was in Asicminer campaign (IIRC last paid signature I had) around the time it collapsed and I probably posted some positive things about them. And even if we were completely impartial with those posts, the perception of bias would still be there.

As for the OP's problem... doesn't seem to be much of a problem TBH. No one really deifies Lutpin, or any other recently-disgraced-previously-very-cool campaign managers (e.g. aTriz).

I felt kinda intimidated too as a Newbie, and receiving a PM from a highly trusted user was a big thing.

I don't see what's wrong with that. Merit is meant for posts that are worth reading, and Lutpin's post adds important information to that thread.

Not sure what you mean about that, because I always had mixed feelings about Yobit.  For the noobs here, it was essentially robo-managed, and you could get paid multiple times a day into your Yobit account.  No waiting, no fuss, none of this drama about managers doing lousy jobs.  

I wish there were currently campaigns that could pay for posts like Yobit did, except (and this is the mixed feelings part) there's no way to quickly tell if a post is a good one or not unless your standards are near zero and it's only character count that matters--and Yobit didn't even have a character minimum if I recall correctly.  In any event, Yobit had posters that were even worse than Secondstrade had, and I can't even remember who the Yobit manager was.  I think it was just Yobit's BCT account that did all the talking and dealing with problems, much like Secondstrade.  Maybe suchmoon can correct me if I'm mistaken.

By the way, I agree with OP.  DT members and campaign managers aren't gods and shouldn't be treated with reverence--especially when they don't deserve it and (especially)^2  when the member in question is both a DT member and a campaign member.  Sometimes you have to figuratively be a man, stand up for yourself, and refused to be treated like you live on pagpag.