Topic: Lutpin and his kinds are not gods so stop it. - page 2. (Read 911 times)

You hit the nail on the head with this one. This sums up the situation in here pretty well. Decentralized coin with fully centralized forum how funny is that? 

I believe still he is still the same cunt how he was used to be before so bad campaign management has nothing to do with DT level status because his feedbacks are mostly right and it given after research by himself so removing him from DT will neutralize all the feedback he has given which may free many scammers and spammers.

I think he is not having time for managing the campaigns and his last comment also about transferring the campaign to other manager.

Lutpin has been a poor campaign manager for a long time now just disappearing with no comment for weeks.
This isn’t the first incident & it probably won’t be the last, he rarely ever communicates with the people in his campaigns & if you remember I had to personally contact you as a DT member to try & help myself & others get paid in the 777Coin campaign. I think it was 11 or 12 weeks without payment.

I mean look - He still has me in his google spreadsheet for the 777Coin campaign & I’ve been gone from it for months -

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JW8oWUht5IasnjkflAmu89ek322QFu6YmMjqYnG2W_o/htmlview


I hope he is ok in real life but regardless he’s failing badly as a campaign manager. He used to be on point & really active here but something has changed with him, I’d suggest he’s removed from DT.

I think it's a stretch to claim that Searing (who is a polite and considerate person from what I've seen) saying that he's "ashamed" is equivalent to some God-like status for old members. People have different opinions and of course the participants of the campaign might be less inclined to criticize their employer. Ask The Pharmacist about Yobit

I don't think that yelling at Lutpin more aggressively would help any newbies or the atmosphere in general. Everyone should get evaluated on their own merits (pun not intended) rather that trying to meet some artificial equality/balance/etc in these reputation issues.

Bad campaign management is not unusual and all the participants just take it because they are not left with many options. It has been going on for as long as I remember with related campaigns to this one with common associates iirc.

I think it makes the advertised companies themselves look like shit to have this happening under them, on their watch, and them not doing anything to straighten it out.

Who's fault is it really?
Who is lutpin's boss/superior? And his? And the next above him?
All of em.. Whoever lets it slide.

My personal opinion. These talked about members in this particular thread are very old and have a strong community of top members of this forum. I can clearly see that there are multiple groups that are running the majority of high paying campaigns and no one wants to be in the bad books of these members. The person was immediately sorry to Luptin because they don't want to be in the bad books of him and his associates. That is called looking out for himself.

It is Human nature. The current format of the forum makes it very important for a new member to be in the good books of major players to get merits/signatures/campaigns etc. Your chances on the forum are limited if you offend any major group. But, that is how all the major organizations/governments work. This is what really really concerns me about the current format of the forum. The power to control now rests with a select few.

I guess you're right and it's more about the sectio than the people...

I mean people even MERITED his post Oo

The guy comes back 6 weeks late without any excuses saying "ok I pay you" and people give merit to his post 

I agree with the other guys posted above. This is issue is not appropriate in this section unless you specify something and connect to this section. The word that I understand is all about Lutpin as not a God. Yes, he is not and everyone know this so why posted it?

Ever see the movie The Human Centipede?  Well with some of these campaign participants, it seems like instead of forming a linear chain of human bodies on their knees, they all have their oral cavities surgically attached to Lutpin's (or whoever the campaign manager is) anus. 

Therefore none of the participants are capable of speaking up and telling a manager that he's doing a shitty job.  They find it much more comfortable saying "oh yessa massa, whateva y'all say massa" and being professional rectal prolapsers than being something other than a mouse who runs to the corner when the cat rears its head.

This situation was made much, much worse because of how much bitcoin crashed.  That would have pissed me off royally.  Now I have to tell you that I think most signature campaigners shouldn't even be members of this forum, much less getting paid to post here, but a deal is a deal.  They don't deserve to be treated worse than Chinese teen Nike sweatshop workers.  Most of the time. 

But my point is that if you say you're going to pay a whole bunch of people to advertise for your company/project/whatever, pay them, and pay them on time.  If a manager is having a problem doing that, he deserves to be fired.  I left Lutpin a neg because what he did was absolutely untrustworthy.  Did he scam?  No.  Do I trust him less than I used to?  Yes.  People ought to be warned about his shenanigans, since he might very well be managing campaigns in the future.

1/ This definitely belongs to reputation sorry, don't know how to move it myself :/
I'll lock it until moved so it doesn't pollute this board found it

2/ The neg rating isn't the issue, I'm talking about the way people on the forum address old and respected members. I got the impression that there is some king of tremendeous gap between old established members and newer ones and I believe it doesn't help to attract or maintain a good atmosphere on the forum

3/ Maybe you're right and it's more because they're sig campaign participants so they're afraid about getting kicked...

1- It's "Lutpin" not "Luptin"
2- Why Meta? He's not even a forum staff. Reputation seems more appropriate.
3- He already has a negative trust ratings and (as well as Lauda) and has negative score of ": -1 / +11" - so clearly they're not being treated as gods.
4- Most participants are too afraid of losing their spots (especially when there are no other open campaigns) so don't expect those enrolled to be very vocal and argumentative about payment delays.

My eyes... fix this.

And what exactly are you trying to say and why is this in Meta? More like a reputation issue I think.

Why do you think he is treated that way?
He already has a negative trust from a default trust member.
Other members didn't add a negative trust because they knew him and he is trusted enough for them. They may even contacted him in private to clarify the situation.
Anyway this belong to the reputation section.

Hello world.

So first thing first: this is not an accusation of any kind towards Lutpin or other members, I'm taking Lutpin because his case really strucked me that's all.

I've ran accross this message that made me feel like there is something needed to be said:


The message is into this topic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitblender-signature-campaign-seniors-and-up-open-1633979 which is the BitBlender signature campaign managed by Luptin which is supposed to be paid every two weeks. Members had no news from Luptin for 2 months and weren't paid either, so lots of them started to doubt they would ever get paid and asked the campaign manager to do his job and pay them or at least give some news. Searing made a few posts like this one:


All very polite but asking for at least an update.

And then Lutpin showed up posting this:

Which triggered the answer of Searing where he says he's ashamed of his doubt...


So I want to say it and I hope I'm not the only one thinking it: WTF IS WRONG GUYS?? Lutpin was 6 weeks late without any explanations or news. He might have had a very good reason but that's not the point! If in real life you have a good client that is supposed to pay and gives no news after 6 weeks of delay you have every right to wonder if he's reliable...

I feel like people as Lutpin, Lauda or others are treated like gods on this forum, as if they were not in the same level as us. Those people have made big contributions to the community and sure deserve some respect and have earned some trust, but I don't think that's a good idea to treat them like they're above everything and everyone.

PRECISION: I don't even think they want to be treated that way, they nevers asked so at least that's for sure.

Just a small rant, again I've got nothing against Luptin or other members with a well established reputation. They deserve it without a doubt, but there is difference between respect and sucking someone...