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Topic: Wardrick account hacked---trust abuse resolution in sight (finally) (Read 25348 times)

legendary
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Putting a negative feedback and explicitly saying you're never going to remove it - regardless of any future events - is questionable to some though.
TSP has not made a single factual argument as to why the negative rating(s) he has are inappropriate,

Here are couple of arguments, I'm sure you'll just ignore them though, so maybe this is for the benefit of others:

1) I never scammed anyone.
2) I have a long history of not causing problems
3) All of my negative ratings are from you (and your sockpuppets) and tradefortress
4) Tradefortress is a known scammer and liar
5) Looks like you are too!
1) you scammed coinchat for ~.5BTC
You've never come up with any evidence of this.  And I don't have any evidence of it either (because it didn't happen).  This is where someone is supposed to say "proof or gtfo".
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2) except when someone calls you out as a scammer, then you sling mud at them, harass them and stalk them until you can find something even remotely negative, even if it is based on bogus evidence.
If you mean when someone falsely accuses me that I stand up for myself, then okay.  You were the one who kept bringing your alts and sockpuppets into this. If you hadn't been sockpuppeting with panthers52, I would have never uncovered your escrow scam.
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3) no. You have a negative rating from at least one other person then myself and TF
It's not clear that TF wasn't controlling that Wardrick account.  But it's nice of you to finally admit to all of your sockpuppet ratings.
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4) okay. What is your point.
The point is the that the kind of sources you're relying on are known to be completely untrustworthy.
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5) nope.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/quickseller-escrowing-for-himself-1171059
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-escrowing-for-yourself-using-a-secret-alt-ok-1174622


I think we're done here.
copper member
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Putting a negative feedback and explicitly saying you're never going to remove it - regardless of any future events - is questionable to some though.
TSP has not made a single factual argument as to why the negative rating(s) he has are inappropriate,

Here are couple of arguments, I'm sure you'll just ignore them though, so maybe this is for the benefit of others:

1) I never scammed anyone.
2) I have a long history of not causing problems
3) All of my negative ratings are from you (and your sockpuppets) and tradefortress
4) Tradefortress is a known scammer and liar
5) Looks like you are too!
1) you scammed coinchat for ~.5BTC
2) except when someone calls you out as a scammer, then you sling mud at them, harass them and stalk them until you can find something even remotely negative, even if it is based on bogus evidence.
3) no. You have a negative rating from at least one other person then myself and TF
4) okay. What is your point.
5) nope.
newbie
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BadBear seems to be on an break atm. Seems like he didn't pick the best time.

he is too busy with his Quickseller account to post with his main account
legendary
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Putting a negative feedback and explicitly saying you're never going to remove it - regardless of any future events - is questionable to some though.
TSP has not made a single factual argument as to why the negative rating(s) he has are inappropriate,

Here is a handful of arguments, I'm sure you'll just ignore them though and go on spouting the same old, discredited accusations.  So maybe saying this yet again can be considered for the benefit of others:

1) I never scammed anyone.
2) I have a long history of not causing problems
3) All of my negative ratings are from you (and your sockpuppets) and tradefortress
4) Tradefortress is a known scammer and liar
5) Looks like you are too!


I'm not really seeing the point of this thread anymore.  With QS having joined tradefortress as a discredited scammer, I have little worry about his ranting being taken seriously anymore.  The "Wardrick" issue is weird enough that if it turns out that the attacker's ratings aren't removed once the investigation is over, it might be worth it to open a new thread at some point in the future on that topic.

I'll leave it open for a little while in case someone suggests a good reason to keep it open.  But, yah, I'm looking forward to less drama, not more.  My goal in this thread was to draw attention to the way QS leaves ratings based on speculation and personal vendettas and that he should remove his many negative ratings or be removed from negative trust for his abusive ways.  It seems that the latter has occurred definitively at this point, so why should I keep on feeding the troll?
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Putting a negative feedback and explicitly saying you're never going to remove it - regardless of any future events - is questionable to some though.
TSP has not made a single factual argument as to why the negative rating(s) he has are inappropriate, his statements have primarily consisted of QS bashing and saying that TF's words should not be trusted. This is also true (the part about no factual arguments as to how he did not scam) for the many other threads he posted in regarding this issue over the past almost two years. I am not sure why anyone would expect tspacepilot to change this policy now.
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
He/she is thinking wrong, I trust the 'person' behind the forum account not the account (itself). So he/she lost his/her mind, Quickseller take a hiatus....

Quickseller has repeatedly posted he will leave the forum as soon as he pays back his last collateral.

He stated yesterday that it will happen today at the latest.

What does that mean?

He'll be back here posting tomorrow. 

Mark my words. 

And he did.
legendary
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BadBear seems to be on an break atm. Seems like he didn't pick the best time.

Not really. He logged in around an hour back.  Smiley
legendary
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BadBear seems to be on an break atm. Seems like he didn't pick the best time.
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No I dont escrow anymore.
I also find it very interesting that the timestamp on your computer when you created your PGP key was ~24 hours prior to when dooglus first started posting in this thread, and blindly was supporting you despite clear and concise evidence that you are a scammer and that you resort to intimidation tactics to install fear into anyone who calls you out as a scammer. The fact that you were unable to get they keyserver link right on your signature for a good while is an indication that you really do not know what you are doing when it comes to PGP, so I think it would be unlikely that you changed the time/date on your computer prior to creating your PGP key.

I wonder what exactly you were needing to encrypt less then 24 hours prior to dooglus blindly supporting you. It seems very fishy to me. I would not be surprised if it was something malicious  

I have to reply to this one more time.  What you're doing here should be completely laughable, and it would be if it weren't the kind of thing that you were able to get away with for so long.  Somehow you've taken the fact that I created a PGP key and spun out a paragraph of "what ifs" that concludes with "I must be doing something malicious".  There's absolutely nothing else here.  I used to just think you were a talented internet troll, adept at manipulating the mob-mentality of the webz.  Now I'm starting to wonder if you actually believe these things your write, if your lack of self-awareness is really so complete.  

I don't know man, I really think you ought to take that long break you promised us.  Clear your head and do some things outside.  Maybe get a dog and take care of him.  These things provide perspective that you just can't buy with BTC.

Id have to check that exact time, but I think I asked for you for a pubkey around that time so I could answer to your mail with an encrypted mail. I dont see anything wrong with creating a new PGP keypair when needed.
sr. member
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The fact that you were unable to get they keyserver link right on your signature for a good while is an indication that you really do not know what you are doing when it comes to PGP, so I think it would be unlikely that you changed the time/date on your computer prior to creating your PGP key.

I wonder what exactly you were needing to encrypt less then 24 hours prior to dooglus blindly supporting you. It seems very fishy to me. I would not be surprised if it was something malicious 

Damn, you just made me spew beer all over my keyboard Cheesy

You still got it, man. That shit is hilarious.
legendary
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I also find it very interesting that the timestamp on your computer when you created your PGP key was ~24 hours prior to when dooglus first started posting in this thread, and blindly was supporting you despite clear and concise evidence that you are a scammer and that you resort to intimidation tactics to install fear into anyone who calls you out as a scammer. The fact that you were unable to get they keyserver link right on your signature for a good while is an indication that you really do not know what you are doing when it comes to PGP, so I think it would be unlikely that you changed the time/date on your computer prior to creating your PGP key.

I wonder what exactly you were needing to encrypt less then 24 hours prior to dooglus blindly supporting you. It seems very fishy to me. I would not be surprised if it was something malicious  

I have to reply to this one more time.  What you're doing here should be completely laughable, and it would be if it weren't the kind of thing that you were able to get away with for so long.  Somehow you've taken the fact that I created a PGP key and spun out a paragraph of "what ifs" that concludes with "I must be doing something malicious".  There's absolutely nothing else here.  I used to just think you were a talented internet troll, adept at manipulating the mob-mentality of the webz.  Now I'm starting to wonder if you actually believe these things your write, if your lack of self-awareness is really so complete.  

I don't know man, I really think you ought to take that long break you promised us.  Clear your head and do some things outside.  Maybe get a dog and take care of him.  These things provide perspective that you just can't buy with BTC.
legendary
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I also find it very interesting that the timestamp on your computer when you created your PGP key was ~24 hours prior to when dooglus first started posting in this thread, and blindly was supporting you despite clear and concise evidence that you are a scammer and that you resort to intimidation tactics to install fear into anyone who calls you out as a scammer. The fact that you were unable to get they keyserver link right on your signature for a good while is an indication that you really do not know what you are doing when it comes to PGP, so I think it would be unlikely that you changed the time/date on your computer prior to creating your PGP key.

I wonder what exactly you were needing to encrypt less then 24 hours prior to dooglus blindly supporting you. It seems very fishy to me. I would not be surprised if it was something malicious  

I find it weird that you think this is evidence of anything. I've never seen any clear concise evidence that tsp is a scammer. I've seen you repeat the same tired old arguments over and over, but they are not at all compelling. It seems much more like a personal vendetta than an attempt to out a scammer. I don't blindly support anyone.

If you have something to say, just come out and say it; don't hide behind crap like "I would not be surprised if it was something malicious". Clear concise evidence, remember?

Edit: also, how are you seeing the timestamp? When I import and examine the key he links to, I see:

Code:
$ gpg --import /tmp/x
gpg: key 8E4D7635: public key "TS (Traditional Spacepilot) " imported
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:               imported: 1  (RSA: 1)
$ gpg -vv --list-keys
gpg: using PGP trust model
/home/dooglus/.gnupg/pubring.gpg
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pub   4096R/8E4D7635 2015-08-19
uid                  TS (Traditional Spacepilot)
sub   4096R/6B64DBE3 2015-08-19

$

Note the 2015-08-19, but the first I posted in this thread was the morning of the day *before* that:

I think the negative feedback should be removed.

Doesn't that kind of break your odd conspiracy theory, in that I posted *before* he could have sent me the encrypted malice (TM)?
legendary
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I think wardrick made it fairly clear that he had zero intention of removing the negative trust against you prior to him getting hacked. So if he did have access to his account there would be a near zero chance he would remove your negative trust, so his account being hacked really does not change anything.

It's not at all clear that the person who was controlling the account when those statements were made was the original owner of the Wardrick account.

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I am also confused as to why you are pushing for your negative trust to get removed so hard now that you are not participating in a signature campaign. I was under the understanding that the whole reason you were resorting to intimidation tactics to get your negative trust removed was because you wanted to be able to participate in signature deals.

My intention has always been to protect my reputation from false accusations.  I brought up signature campaigns when people asked how your attacks on me had cost me money.  Given that you made a threat to get me kicked out of my signature campaign using your as-of-then unrevealed alt ACCTSeller as the "opening salvo" in your personal war on me, I think it's fair to mention how your personal attacks have cost me money.  Congratulations!  You succeeded!

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I also find it very interesting that the timestamp on your computer when you created your PGP key was ~24 hours prior to when dooglus first started posting in this thread, and blindly was supporting you despite clear and concise evidence that you are a scammer and that you resort to intimidation tactics to install fear into anyone who calls you out as a scammer.
dooglus asked you questions that you weren't able to answer. Even before dooglus entered this thread, there was a long list of people quoted in the OP asking for you to remove your personal attacks, saying that there was no point to what you were doing.  Alas, you were too prideful to listen to reason, even from mountains of your peers, and you kept upping the stakes, pulling in more and more alts, which, in the end, resulted in your now infamous escrow-scam being revealed and your explosive and volitile and bilous personality is now pretty much known to everyone.  Even now, you show back up trying the same old confused prose, speculation without evidence, weasel-words, and accusations---the difference is that now everyone can see through it.



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The fact that you were unable to get they keyserver link right on your signature for a good while is an indication that you really do not know what you are doing when it comes to PGP, so I think it would be unlikely that you changed the time/date on your computer prior to creating your PGP key.

You're right, I'm totally dumb!  I'm going to remember to ask you for technical advice on stuff when I get stuck.  Would you mind?  .... Oh, wait, I already tried that:

in fact, I prefer to talk the technical details and such (I have an open thread in technical discussion which currently is awaiting any reply; I know you run your own node(s); Can you help? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/making-a-testnet-transaction-by-hand-1161146).
I will take a look at your thread. - I looked at it....I am not sure why you want to create a transaction by hand. There are a large number of tools that will help you with this. It is however beyond my level of expertise to help you find your answer.

I am not understanding what you mean by "pushing some protocol messages by hand". When you send a message, bitcoind will do this to all other nodes it is connected to via outbound connections. It being connected to several nodes is what ensures it will propagate properly.

... Oh well, if I run across a seriously technical issue, like getting the bbc right on a hyperlink in a signature, I'll definitely ask you.  Thankfully I was able to resolve my own issue on it this time.  Still, very cool that you noticed!



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I wonder what exactly you were needing to encrypt less then 24 hours prior to dooglus blindly supporting you. It seems very fishy to me. I would not be surprised if it was something malicious  

I love it!  I mistyped a link and failed hard at some bbcode and QS is trying to spin it into evidence of something nefarious.  Quickseller, your speculation is outlandish.  Thankfully, no one is riding along on your detective-on-crack trip anymore.

I would look up the 10 or so times that you've said you were taking a long break from the forum since last week when your escrow scam was revealed and ask if you changed your mind or something, but I think it's clear that apparantely your here to stay, the difference being that while you used to be a rampant bully, now you're just a scammer/troll with nothing to show for all your efforts.

Even now, I ask myself just how psychotic you are.  You made a meal and a half out of abusing people on this forum in one way or another and your reign of terror is clearly coming to an end.  And yet you still can't resist stopping in here to try to throw your discredited shit at me one more time.  You no longer hold any credibility here man, what's your point anymore?
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I think wardrick made it fairly clear that he had zero intention of removing the negative trust against you prior to him getting hacked. So if he did have access to his account there would be a near zero chance he would remove your negative trust, so his account being hacked really does not change anything.

Fair enough, assuming the person behind the trust is not the same person that is behind the QuickSeller account. Putting a negative feedback and explicitly saying you're never going to remove it - regardless of any future events - is questionable to some though.

I am also confused as to why you are pushing for your negative trust to get removed so hard now that you are not participating in a signature campaign. I was under the understanding that the whole reason you were resorting to intimidation tactics to get your negative trust removed was because you wanted to be able to participate in signature deals.
So your understanding was lacking. It happens.

I also find it very interesting that the timestamp on your computer when you created your PGP key was ~24 hours prior to when dooglus first started posting in this thread, and blindly was supporting you despite clear and concise evidence that you are a scammer and that you resort to intimidation tactics to install fear into anyone who calls you out as a scammer. The fact that you were unable to get they keyserver link right on your signature for a good while is an indication that you really do not know what you are doing when it comes to PGP, so I think it would be unlikely that you changed the time/date on your computer prior to creating your PGP key.

I wonder what exactly you were needing to encrypt less then 24 hours prior to dooglus blindly supporting you. It seems very fishy to me. I would not be surprised if it was something malicious 
What's the point of this piece of FUD? Also you calling tspacepilot a scammer is based on something that happened a long time ago. Something that you cannot have a full understanding of. If you want to beat that dead horse some more I'm sure you can find a more appropriate thread to do so.

Good luck.
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I think wardrick made it fairly clear that he had zero intention of removing the negative trust against you prior to him getting hacked. So if he did have access to his account there would be a near zero chance he would remove your negative trust, so his account being hacked really does not change anything.

I am also confused as to why you are pushing for your negative trust to get removed so hard now that you are not participating in a signature campaign. I was under the understanding that the whole reason you were resorting to intimidation tactics to get your negative trust removed was because you wanted to be able to participate in signature deals.

I also find it very interesting that the timestamp on your computer when you created your PGP key was ~24 hours prior to when dooglus first started posting in this thread, and blindly was supporting you despite clear and concise evidence that you are a scammer and that you resort to intimidation tactics to install fear into anyone who calls you out as a scammer. The fact that you were unable to get they keyserver link right on your signature for a good while is an indication that you really do not know what you are doing when it comes to PGP, so I think it would be unlikely that you changed the time/date on your computer prior to creating your PGP key.

I wonder what exactly you were needing to encrypt less then 24 hours prior to dooglus blindly supporting you. It seems very fishy to me. I would not be surprised if it was something malicious 
legendary
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Wadrick has yet to be removed from DT? How so? He hasn't been active since September 13. Sadly BadBear hasn't been online since the same day while new revelations have been made.

That actually explains why he hasn't acted.  Everyone needs a break sometimes.  I didn't realize he had been away.
hero member
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Wadrick has yet to be removed from DT? How so? He hasn't been active since September 13. Sadly BadBear hasn't been online since the same day while new revelations have been made.
legendary
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^You're absolutely exceptional at turning [bored, basically neutral] bystanders [who drop by to rubberneck at this train wreck] into brand new enemies.
If there was only a way to monetize such a thing...

Now we're enemies?  Jeez.
newbie
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^You're absolutely exceptional at turning [bored, basically neutral] bystanders [who drop by to rubberneck at this train wreck] into brand new enemies.
If there was only a way to monetize such a thing...
legendary
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@acakf: strategies for figuring out the topic of a thread include:

1) reading the title

Except you've changed the title literally 20 times :s

Cute, but at no time did the title say "thread where people should offer rhetorical questions about the strengths and weaknesses of the current trust system and also kick around quickseller now that he's down"---and that seems to have been the topic that people landed on and that acakf decided to jump in on literlly 4 posts after I provided links to threads about the trust system and asked people to say on topic.

Then again, I offered a few other strategies too, like (2) check the OP.  Have you checked the OP?  I've done my best to keep the OP and the title up-to-date in what is clearly a developing situation.  Would you prefer that the original title from 3 months ago be left?  Maybe I'm doing it wrong?

I think that anyone spending just a little time to figure out what this thread is about would be able to discern that it's meant to ask QS to justify the negative feedback he gave me based on the discredited word of Tradefortress, and that barring his ability to justify that, that he would remove the feedback.

I dunno, I really thought that this post only 7 posts back now was a reasonable way to recap.


But the topic of this thread is the trust abuse I was suffering from QS, given the recent developments concerning his character, I'm happy to say that all of his his ratings can stand next to tradefortress' along with their reputations in the untrusted fedback section.  

The "Wardrick" scenario was potentially the next thing to discuss here, as he appeared out-of-the-blue, ready and willing to inherit the discredited claims of Tradefortress and Quickseller.  But this also seems to be slowly resolving itself.  At this point, it seems like it's becoming more and more clear that the Wardrick account was being controlled by Tradefortres/hashie, and I'm confident that Theymos/Badbear will figure out what to do about the actions that TF took while controlling that account.

I'll leave this thread open for now, but I'd like to keep it on-topic: ie, regarding the discredited feedback on my account from TF/QS/Wardrick.  There are several other threads where we can discuss the actions of quickseller, the difficulties of a centralized trust system, et cetera.

So, now it's been quoted twice in the space of 10 posts.  @dogie, were you actually confused about the topic or am I missing the protocol here?
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