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legendary
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Russia can’t be stopped because they have nukes. The moment they notice the tables are turning against them, they won’t hesitate to use it just like how USA did back in the day against Japan.

Let’s say RU nuked Ukraine, will the NATO retaliate? Will the West go to nuclear war with Russia for Ukraine? Can they afford it?

We know the answer already and that’s why Russia can’t be stopped.

There is one cheat code however. If Russia's economy implodes because they spend too much of their GDP on the invasion, then they will have to stop.

But being realistic, Putin is only throwing a small amount of Russia' GDP at the war.

It is a slow game of attrition between NATO and Russia to see which side stops supplying arms first. Funny how Ukraine's fate is not even in its own hands eh?
legendary
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There is no such rule between countries. I mean there are some rules on paper but we all know it is all bullshit.

Russia is invading Ukraine and who will stop them? Nobody, because nobody is powerful enough to do it. It makes zero difference who is right in this conflict.

The US invaded Iraq and nuked Japan. The US citizens will say it was self defense. The dead Japanese and Iraqis would not agree. Who punished the US? Nobody, because nobody can do anything about it.

So back to my point, the countries are slowly moving away from the dollar because they don’t give a shit what the US think of them anymore. The US sanctioned so many countries, effectively they sanctioned themselves from the rest of the world.

The rest of the world say: fuck that.
Nobody can stop Russia invading Ukraine? I mean I am not Ukrainian so I am not really there and can tell you from first hand, but last time I checked the map, it's clear that Russia isn't doing all that well lol. They have lost tens of thousands of soldiers, just to occupy two small landbases, and so far that is all they have, and they have to keep sending soldiers, even north Koreans at this point, to keep those places, the moment they say we are done and not send any more soldiers, they would lose those places too, and would have nothing to show for in exchange of getting a lot of soldiers lost during the battle.

Ukrainians are not giving up, it's their nation for real, so they are doing better in numbers and considering a lot of these, I would say Russia is not really winning and can be stopped, unless they go berzerk and use Nuclear weapon or something, because it's clear right now that they can't win any other way. Dollar is a great weapon for this reason too, keeping the leash short so that they would financially buckle, which is proven how weak rubble became over the years.

Russia can’t be stopped because they have nukes. The moment they notice the tables are turning against them, they won’t hesitate to use it just like how USA did back in the day against Japan.

Let’s say RU nuked Ukraine, will the NATO retaliate? Will the West go to nuclear war with Russia for Ukraine? Can they afford it?

We know the answer already and that’s why Russia can’t be stopped.
legendary
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That’s the thing. There is no such rule between countries. I mean there are some rules on paper but we all know it is all bullshit.

Russia is invading Ukraine and who will stop them? Nobody, because nobody is powerful enough to do it. It makes zero difference who is right in this conflict.

The US invaded Iraq and nuked Japan. The US citizens will say it was self defense. The dead Japanese and Iraqis would not agree. Who punished the US? Nobody, because nobody can do anything about it.

So back to my point, the countries are slowly moving away from the dollar because they don’t give a shit what the US think of them anymore. The US sanctioned so many countries, effectively they sanctioned themselves from the rest of the world.

The rest of the world say: fuck that.

Russia cannot be stopped ?! As PRACTICE has shown, it was stopped by the AFU, WITHOUT WESTERN EQUIPMENT, WITHOUT WESTERN HELP, in 2022 ! “The world's second largest army”, ‘the world's second largest economy’, ‘unparalleled weapons’, ‘40% of the world's mineral resources’... were unable to take over Ukraine !  Smiley
The problem is different - the west was not ready to fulfill its OBLIGATIONS ! This is a conversation about the Budapest Memorandum and mass cases of crossing the borders of NATO countries, UAVs and missiles, the country - the capital of international terrorism ! If Ukraine was able to defeat and hold the “brown plague” of Rashism, the west just needs to make a small movement to simply smear this terrorist regime ! But... There are a lot of people in the Western politicians who are very much dependent on the “Kremlin's purse”. That's the only problem.
legendary
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There is no such rule between countries. I mean there are some rules on paper but we all know it is all bullshit.

Russia is invading Ukraine and who will stop them? Nobody, because nobody is powerful enough to do it. It makes zero difference who is right in this conflict.

The US invaded Iraq and nuked Japan. The US citizens will say it was self defense. The dead Japanese and Iraqis would not agree. Who punished the US? Nobody, because nobody can do anything about it.

So back to my point, the countries are slowly moving away from the dollar because they don’t give a shit what the US think of them anymore. The US sanctioned so many countries, effectively they sanctioned themselves from the rest of the world.

The rest of the world say: fuck that.
Nobody can stop Russia invading Ukraine? I mean I am not Ukrainian so I am not really there and can tell you from first hand, but last time I checked the map, it's clear that Russia isn't doing all that well lol. They have lost tens of thousands of soldiers, just to occupy two small landbases, and so far that is all they have, and they have to keep sending soldiers, even north Koreans at this point, to keep those places, the moment they say we are done and not send any more soldiers, they would lose those places too, and would have nothing to show for in exchange of getting a lot of soldiers lost during the battle.

Ukrainians are not giving up, it's their nation for real, so they are doing better in numbers and considering a lot of these, I would say Russia is not really winning and can be stopped, unless they go berzerk and use Nuclear weapon or something, because it's clear right now that they can't win any other way. Dollar is a great weapon for this reason too, keeping the leash short so that they would financially buckle, which is proven how weak rubble became over the years.
legendary
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Actually unlike the trillions the US government is printing, this particular $20 billion is not printed, as it was mentioned above. This is stolen money. In fact this is one of the reasons why the entire world is increasingly concerned about using the dollar for reserve currency or international trades using SWIFT (the way US stole the $20 billion) because they see that the US government can easily block any nation's money and then steal it from them very easily.

This is why dedollarisation is progressing every day, and more countries join it.

In other words the US is weaponizing its national currency.

A wise man once said:

“USD is our currency, but it is your problem.”

Those countries indeed should move away from the dollar or else they’ll get punished whenever they do something the US don’t like. Then it would mean they are not independent states.

Bitcoin looks like a legit alternative to the dollar at this point.

Some people of course want to give away the fact that dollars have become a “weapon”, especially those who need them very much but have become unavailable Smiley
In fact, the dollar is a tool, just like any other currency. It is just that the dolar turned out to be better than others and has a wider application than others.

Regarding the fact that dollars are used as a mechanism of punishment, or rather their seizure or deprivation of access to them - it is normal. Any offender should be punished, especially such criminals as international terrorists.

Let's look at this story, for example, from your side ? Someone committed a crime against you - looted your apartment, broke your things, destroyed your car.
I understand that you will be strongly opposed to the court ruling that the criminal should be punished, his assets should be seized from him to compensate you for your losses, am I right ? Smiley

That’s the thing. There is no such rule between countries. I mean there are some rules on paper but we all know it is all bullshit.

Russia is invading Ukraine and who will stop them? Nobody, because nobody is powerful enough to do it. It makes zero difference who is right in this conflict.

The US invaded Iraq and nuked Japan. The US citizens will say it was self defense. The dead Japanese and Iraqis would not agree. Who punished the US? Nobody, because nobody can do anything about it.

So back to my point, the countries are slowly moving away from the dollar because they don’t give a shit what the US think of them anymore. The US sanctioned so many countries, effectively they sanctioned themselves from the rest of the world.

The rest of the world say: fuck that.
legendary
Activity: 3752
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Actually unlike the trillions the US government is printing, this particular $20 billion is not printed, as it was mentioned above. This is stolen money. In fact this is one of the reasons why the entire world is increasingly concerned about using the dollar for reserve currency or international trades using SWIFT (the way US stole the $20 billion) because they see that the US government can easily block any nation's money and then steal it from them very easily.

This is why dedollarisation is progressing every day, and more countries join it.

In other words the US is weaponizing its national currency.

A wise man once said:

“USD is our currency, but it is your problem.”

Those countries indeed should move away from the dollar or else they’ll get punished whenever they do something the US don’t like. Then it would mean they are not independent states.

Bitcoin looks like a legit alternative to the dollar at this point.

Some people of course want to give away the fact that dollars have become a “weapon”, especially those who need them very much but have become unavailable Smiley
In fact, the dollar is a tool, just like any other currency. It is just that the dolar turned out to be better than others and has a wider application than others.

Regarding the fact that dollars are used as a mechanism of punishment, or rather their seizure or deprivation of access to them - it is normal. Any offender should be punished, especially such criminals as international terrorists.

Let's look at this story, for example, from your side ? Someone committed a crime against you - looted your apartment, broke your things, destroyed your car.
I understand that you will be strongly opposed to the court ruling that the criminal should be punished, his assets should be seized from him to compensate you for your losses, am I right ? Smiley
legendary
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Actually unlike the trillions the US government is printing, this particular $20 billion is not printed, as it was mentioned above. This is stolen money. In fact this is one of the reasons why the entire world is increasingly concerned about using the dollar for reserve currency or international trades using SWIFT (the way US stole the $20 billion) because they see that the US government can easily block any nation's money and then steal it from them very easily.

This is why dedollarisation is progressing every day, and more countries join it.

In other words the US is weaponizing its national currency.

A wise man once said:

“USD is our currency, but it is your problem.”

Those countries indeed should move away from the dollar or else they’ll get punished whenever they do something the US don’t like. Then it would mean they are not independent states.

Bitcoin looks like a legit alternative to the dollar at this point.
legendary
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For a lot of people the tool loan does not compute.
You get a loan from the bank and pay it back with interest. So where is the loss?
That apart Ukraine does not get the money but military hardware, and software (Most likely)

Some people should tune down their distrust in governments. It shows a lack of capability.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/traversmark/2024/01/29/a-psychologist-explains-where-our-trust-issues-really-come-from/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-good-the-bad-the-economy/201901/trust-in-government-and-how-our-future-depends-it

Change is, for many people, a threat. 

That's a very good point. Most of the US aid comes in the form of finished products - weapons, armored vehicles, shells, missiles, .... And this is logical, because “paper” is not enough to liberate our territory from the “brown plague”.
And if we talk about such deliveries, the money allocated or even “printed” remains in the U.S., inside its economy.
Using the frozen funds of the terrorist country, is a very correct and effective solution ! And the income from these deposits covers the financial aid (loans) allocated by the EU for financial aid to Ukraine.
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As far as I know from this site, https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c047zrzr2xro, the $20 billion loan to Ukraine is not a matter of printing new money, the funds are covered by the profit derived from frozen Russian assets. While some people believe such loans enhance markets like the S&P 500 and crypto, this form of funding does not add directly to money supply. Moreover, crises can make the US dollar stronger since global borrowing often relies on it.
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For a lot of people the tool loan does not compute.
You get a loan from the bank and pay it back with interest. So where is the loss?
That apart Ukraine does not get the money but military hardware, and software (Most likely)

Some people should tune down their distrust in governments. It shows a lack of capability.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/traversmark/2024/01/29/a-psychologist-explains-where-our-trust-issues-really-come-from/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-good-the-bad-the-economy/201901/trust-in-government-and-how-our-future-depends-it

Change is, for many people, a threat. 
legendary
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https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2744
The 20 bil goes as loan to Ukraine.

We know that in order to print money someone need to borrow money this money now will end up one way or another on the markets sp500 and crypto.

But next printing time they need to issue more money If now 20bil then next loan or Funding at least 100bil should be to someone so it's not enough that Ukraine borrowing money but should be middle east too or even better some third Crisis so then dollar survive well.

As long as world is in crisis and need to borrow more and more from USA then dollar can survive well.
It seems like Europe is next who will borrow next time

It's simple here, and there's no magic.
It is a kind of investment that will return to the U.S. economy after the defeat of Rashism. After that, Ukraine will attract a huge number of projects and investments, from environmental (we have poisoned about 15% of the territory by the war), humanitarian to projects to restore the economy and hundreds of cities and villages destroyed by the Rashists. This, although it sounds cynical, but it is profitable !
Beneficial to Ukraine (restoration of the country, jobs, solved social problems,...), beneficial to the USA and its industry and business, beneficial to European companies and companies from other countries that will participate. For the U.S. 20 billion is pennies, which will dissolve in the world economy, without creating any problems for anyone.
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We need to cut it off immediately.
legendary
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Interesting to see that much hate towards it, but illegal money is frozen in every nation, nothing new. It would be something that happens in Germany, in China, in Japan, in Sudan, in Brazil doesn't matter where you are, if you have money that is earned illegally, then it would not be accepted and the government will seize it, that is how law works. Assume that there are Americans who deal with drugs, can they put their money in Russian banks without a worry?

I do not think so, it is not really that much of a different situation, and that doesn't really matter that much to me, it is not really working all that easy. I believe we need to make sure that we are dealing with a much better situation without much of a trouble at all. USA is still safer than Russia, without a doubt, ask any non-Russian where they would prefer to keep their money, Russian banks or American banks, and see what they will say.
legendary
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Actually unlike the trillions the US government is printing, this particular $20 billion is not printed, as it was mentioned above. This is stolen money. In fact this is one of the reasons why the entire world is worried about using the dollar because they see that the US government can easily block any nation's money and then steal it from them very easily.

This is why dedollarisation is progressing every day.
The dedollarisation progresses in a way that the wish of dedollarisation grows but the world or any country itself is far from getting the rid of it. It will be very hard for the world or any country to get rid of US dollar because the USA's power and influence depends on the dollar's dominance and I absolutely believe that the USA doesn't spend billions of dollars on NATO without a reason. If it feels threat, the USA will use its military powers.

There is no denying that the BRICS de-dollarization process will not be easy and will take a very, very long time. But with BRICS members constantly being added and growing, this means that many countries also want this and shows that de-dollarization is not impossible. A very difficult task but not an impossible task as many people think.

The United States and the USD were not the first countries to rule this world, nor will they be the last. Everything has its limits and cycles, sooner or later there will be a nation that replaces them like they did with the British Empire.
legendary
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If it feels threat, the USA will use its military powers.
Another indication of dedollarisation advancing powerfully is the fact that the US regime has been raising wars around the world. From the one you all know of in Ukraine with Russia to the most recent one they are waging in Asia against all SCO members.

Just look at the different members of the multi-national terrorist organization that attacked Syria and is currently controlling the country. All the members of this terrorist coalition (that is branched out of al-Qaeda) are either the most radical citizens of members of SCO (many of which are also members of BRICS) or are targeting these countries.

For example the Uyghur terrorists in that coalition are Chinese nationals trained by the US military in Syria/Turkey to go back to China and carry out terrorist attacks there. If you were to follow their telegram channels, you would see that these terrorist are already threatening China and are preparing to launch their attacks.
legendary
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Not living in the states? Why do you worry?

what's your point? OP has raised a valid point! US is indeed funding the war between Russia and Ukraine! First they have invited Ukraine to join NATO knowing that Russia will never allow NATO forces to access their border for obvious reasons and then sending weapons to Ukraine and now providing loans to them. Do you think everyone in the world is blind and they don't see the actual criminal??

I don't live is US but I have to care because USD is used in majority of the international trades. That's why a lot of countries keep USD in their account as reserve. So people from other countries have full right to be worried!
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It seems like Europe is next who will borrow next time
Why do you think that Europe will borrow money the next time? European Union gives money to Ukraine along with the USA. Also, EU usually helps other countries to develop infrastructure, buy good transport, invest different activities and so on.

Actually unlike the trillions the US government is printing, this particular $20 billion is not printed, as it was mentioned above. This is stolen money. In fact this is one of the reasons why the entire world is worried about using the dollar because they see that the US government can easily block any nation's money and then steal it from them very easily.

This is why dedollarisation is progressing every day.
The dedollarisation progresses in a way that the wish of dedollarisation grows but the world or any country itself is far from getting the rid of it. It will be very hard for the world or any country to get rid of US dollar because the USA's power and influence depends on the dollar's dominance and I absolutely believe that the USA doesn't spend billions of dollars on NATO without a reason. If it feels threat, the USA will use its military powers.
legendary
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Actually unlike the trillions the US government is printing, this particular $20 billion is not printed, as it was mentioned above. This is stolen money. In fact this is one of the reasons why the entire world is increasingly concerned about using the dollar for reserve currency or international trades using SWIFT (the way US stole the $20 billion) because they see that the US government can easily block any nation's money and then steal it from them very easily.

This is why dedollarisation is progressing every day, and more countries join it.
legendary
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-govt-wants-half-its-20-bln-loan-ukraine-be-military-aid-2024-10-23/

The better next time to read it carefully. 20 billion sent to Ukraine was a part of 50 billions loan deal, and this loan was backed by Rusia's frozen asset.

I think your thread is only misleading people. It's really inappropriate to create a false topic that doesn't even match to your link. US has also mentioned the loan backed by Rusia's frozen asset. *lol
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I think the website stated it was proceeds gotten from Russian immobilized assets.

You know what, this is not even a problem for Americans or most other countries, printing extra money actually helps the average American because it dilutes the debt they already owe to other countries. If you are in control of the "reserve currency of the world" and countries are willing to buy your debt (in the form of bonds) even if you keep devaluing it - then you're in the winning position. Countries continue to buy US debt, even though it's eroded over time, because it is the most trusted and innovative country that is continuing to drive a lot of wealth creation. Smart money wants stability and that is what the US dollar offers, why so many countries will stock up on it in their foreign currency reserves and how they are able to wield a lot of economic and political power in the world.
Printing extra cash helps the citizen?
I'm quite surprised what's then the reason for the continuous fall in the value of Fiat?
Yeah they are winning from the exchange been relatively stable been tied to gold then
I guess that's why some countries are pushing for dedollarisation and why Bitcoin as a strategic reserve will be attractive to other countries.
They have started lossing confidence in dollar
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