USA just printed 20bil as loan dollar Alive and getting bigger

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Quote from: pooya87 on December 16, 2024, 07:42:30 AM

Actually unlike the trillions the US government is printing, this particular $20 billion is not printed, as it was mentioned above. This is stolen money. In fact this is one of the reasons why the entire world is increasingly concerned about using the dollar for reserve currency or international trades using SWIFT (the way US stole the $20 billion) because they see that the US government can easily block any nation's money and then steal it from them very easily.

This is why dedollarisation is progressing every day, and more countries join it.

In other words the US is weaponizing its national currency.

A wise man once said:

“USD is our currency, but it is your problem.”

Those countries indeed should move away from the dollar or else they’ll get punished whenever they do something the US don’t like. Then it would mean they are not independent states.

Bitcoin looks like a legit alternative to the dollar at this point.

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Quote from: WillyAp on December 18, 2024, 10:20:41 AM

For a lot of people the tool loan does not compute.
You get a loan from the bank and pay it back with interest. So where is the loss?
That apart Ukraine does not get the money but military hardware, and software (Most likely)

Some people should tune down their distrust in governments. It shows a lack of capability.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/traversmark/2024/01/29/a-psychologist-explains-where-our-trust-issues-really-come-from/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-good-the-bad-the-economy/201901/trust-in-government-and-how-our-future-depends-it

Change is, for many people, a threat.

That's a very good point. Most of the US aid comes in the form of finished products - weapons, armored vehicles, shells, missiles, .... And this is logical, because “paper” is not enough to liberate our territory from the “brown plague”.
And if we talk about such deliveries, the money allocated or even “printed” remains in the U.S., inside its economy.
Using the frozen funds of the terrorist country, is a very correct and effective solution ! And the income from these deposits covers the financial aid (loans) allocated by the EU for financial aid to Ukraine.

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As far as I know from this site, https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c047zrzr2xro, the $20 billion loan to Ukraine is not a matter of printing new money, the funds are covered by the profit derived from frozen Russian assets. While some people believe such loans enhance markets like the S&P 500 and crypto, this form of funding does not add directly to money supply. Moreover, crises can make the US dollar stronger since global borrowing often relies on it.

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For a lot of people the tool loan does not compute.
You get a loan from the bank and pay it back with interest. So where is the loss?
That apart Ukraine does not get the money but military hardware, and software (Most likely)

Some people should tune down their distrust in governments. It shows a lack of capability.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/traversmark/2024/01/29/a-psychologist-explains-where-our-trust-issues-really-come-from/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-good-the-bad-the-economy/201901/trust-in-government-and-how-our-future-depends-it

Change is, for many people, a threat.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on December 12, 2024, 11:20:00 AM

Link: source
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2744
The 20 bil goes as loan to Ukraine.

We know that in order to print money someone need to borrow money this money now will end up one way or another on the markets sp500 and crypto.

But next printing time they need to issue more money If now 20bil then next loan or Funding at least 100bil should be to someone so it's not enough that Ukraine borrowing money but should be middle east too or even better some third Crisis so then dollar survive well.

As long as world is in crisis and need to borrow more and more from USA then dollar can survive well.
It seems like Europe is next who will borrow next time

It's simple here, and there's no magic.
It is a kind of investment that will return to the U.S. economy after the defeat of Rashism. After that, Ukraine will attract a huge number of projects and investments, from environmental (we have poisoned about 15% of the territory by the war), humanitarian to projects to restore the economy and hundreds of cities and villages destroyed by the Rashists. This, although it sounds cynical, but it is profitable !
Beneficial to Ukraine (restoration of the country, jobs, solved social problems,...), beneficial to the USA and its industry and business, beneficial to European companies and companies from other countries that will participate. For the U.S. 20 billion is pennies, which will dissolve in the world economy, without creating any problems for anyone.

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We need to cut it off immediately.

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Interesting to see that much hate towards it, but illegal money is frozen in every nation, nothing new. It would be something that happens in Germany, in China, in Japan, in Sudan, in Brazil doesn't matter where you are, if you have money that is earned illegally, then it would not be accepted and the government will seize it, that is how law works. Assume that there are Americans who deal with drugs, can they put their money in Russian banks without a worry?

I do not think so, it is not really that much of a different situation, and that doesn't really matter that much to me, it is not really working all that easy. I believe we need to make sure that we are dealing with a much better situation without much of a trouble at all. USA is still safer than Russia, without a doubt, ask any non-Russian where they would prefer to keep their money, Russian banks or American banks, and see what they will say.

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Quote from: Synchronice on December 16, 2024, 08:18:47 AM

Quote from: pooya87 on December 16, 2024, 07:42:30 AM

Actually unlike the trillions the US government is printing, this particular $20 billion is not printed, as it was mentioned above. This is stolen money. In fact this is one of the reasons why the entire world is worried about using the dollar because they see that the US government can easily block any nation's money and then steal it from them very easily.

This is why dedollarisation is progressing every day.

The dedollarisation progresses in a way that the wish of dedollarisation grows but the world or any country itself is far from getting the rid of it. It will be very hard for the world or any country to get rid of US dollar because the USA's power and influence depends on the dollar's dominance and I absolutely believe that the USA doesn't spend billions of dollars on NATO without a reason. If it feels threat, the USA will use its military powers.

There is no denying that the BRICS de-dollarization process will not be easy and will take a very, very long time. But with BRICS members constantly being added and growing, this means that many countries also want this and shows that de-dollarization is not impossible. A very difficult task but not an impossible task as many people think.

The United States and the USD were not the first countries to rule this world, nor will they be the last. Everything has its limits and cycles, sooner or later there will be a nation that replaces them like they did with the British Empire.

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Quote from: Synchronice on December 16, 2024, 08:18:47 AM

If it feels threat, the USA will use its military powers.

Another indication of dedollarisation advancing powerfully is the fact that the US regime has been raising wars around the world. From the one you all know of in Ukraine with Russia to the most recent one they are waging in Asia against all SCO members.

Just look at the different members of the multi-national terrorist organization that attacked Syria and is currently controlling the country. All the members of this terrorist coalition (that is branched out of al-Qaeda) are either the most radical citizens of members of SCO (many of which are also members of BRICS) or are targeting these countries.

For example the Uyghur terrorists in that coalition are Chinese nationals trained by the US military in Syria/Turkey to go back to China and carry out terrorist attacks there. If you were to follow their telegram channels, you would see that these terrorist are already threatening China and are preparing to launch their attacks.

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Quote from: WillyAp on December 15, 2024, 11:27:21 AM

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Not living in the states? Why do you worry?

what's your point? OP has raised a valid point! US is indeed funding the war between Russia and Ukraine! First they have invited Ukraine to join NATO knowing that Russia will never allow NATO forces to access their border for obvious reasons and then sending weapons to Ukraine and now providing loans to them. Do you think everyone in the world is blind and they don't see the actual criminal??

I don't live is US but I have to care because USD is used in majority of the international trades. That's why a lot of countries keep USD in their account as reserve. So people from other countries have full right to be worried!

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Quote from: Shortmaster on December 12, 2024, 11:20:00 AM

It seems like Europe is next who will borrow next time

Why do you think that Europe will borrow money the next time? European Union gives money to Ukraine along with the USA. Also, EU usually helps other countries to develop infrastructure, buy good transport, invest different activities and so on.

Quote from: pooya87 on December 16, 2024, 07:42:30 AM

Actually unlike the trillions the US government is printing, this particular $20 billion is not printed, as it was mentioned above. This is stolen money. In fact this is one of the reasons why the entire world is worried about using the dollar because they see that the US government can easily block any nation's money and then steal it from them very easily.

This is why dedollarisation is progressing every day.

The dedollarisation progresses in a way that the wish of dedollarisation grows but the world or any country itself is far from getting the rid of it. It will be very hard for the world or any country to get rid of US dollar because the USA's power and influence depends on the dollar's dominance and I absolutely believe that the USA doesn't spend billions of dollars on NATO without a reason. If it feels threat, the USA will use its military powers.

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Actually unlike the trillions the US government is printing, this particular $20 billion is not printed, as it was mentioned above. This is stolen money. In fact this is one of the reasons why the entire world is increasingly concerned about using the dollar for reserve currency or international trades using SWIFT (the way US stole the $20 billion) because they see that the US government can easily block any nation's money and then steal it from them very easily.

This is why dedollarisation is progressing every day, and more countries join it.

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-govt-wants-half-its-20-bln-loan-ukraine-be-military-aid-2024-10-23/

The better next time to read it carefully. 20 billion sent to Ukraine was a part of 50 billions loan deal, and this loan was backed by Rusia's frozen asset.

I think your thread is only misleading people. It's really inappropriate to create a false topic that doesn't even match to your link. US has also mentioned the loan backed by Rusia's frozen asset. *lol

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I think the website stated it was proceeds gotten from Russian immobilized assets.

Quote from: Fortify on December 15, 2024, 01:58:27 PM

You know what, this is not even a problem for Americans or most other countries, printing extra money actually helps the average American because it dilutes the debt they already owe to other countries. If you are in control of the "reserve currency of the world" and countries are willing to buy your debt (in the form of bonds) even if you keep devaluing it - then you're in the winning position. Countries continue to buy US debt, even though it's eroded over time, because it is the most trusted and innovative country that is continuing to drive a lot of wealth creation. Smart money wants stability and that is what the US dollar offers, why so many countries will stock up on it in their foreign currency reserves and how they are able to wield a lot of economic and political power in the world.

Printing extra cash helps the citizen?
I'm quite surprised what's then the reason for the continuous fall in the value of Fiat?
Yeah they are winning from the exchange been relatively stable been tied to gold then
I guess that's why some countries are pushing for dedollarisation and why Bitcoin as a strategic reserve will be attractive to other countries.
They have started lossing confidence in dollar

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You know what, this is not even a problem for Americans or most other countries, printing extra money actually helps the average American because it dilutes the debt they already owe to other countries. If you are in control of the "reserve currency of the world" and countries are willing to buy your debt (in the form of bonds) even if you keep devaluing it - then you're in the winning position. Countries continue to buy US debt, even though it's eroded over time, because it is the most trusted and innovative country that is continuing to drive a lot of wealth creation. Smart money wants stability and that is what the US dollar offers, why so many countries will stock up on it in their foreign currency reserves and how they are able to wield a lot of economic and political power in the world.

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Link: source
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2744
The 20 bil goes as loan to ukraine.

We know that in order to print money someone need to borrow money this money now will end up one way or another on the markets sp500 and crypto.

But next printing time they need to issue more money If now 20bil then next loan or Funding at least 100bil should be to someone so it's not enough that ukraine borrowing money but should be middle east too or even better some third Crisis so then dollar survive well.

As long as world is in crisis and need to borrow more and more from USA then dollar can survive well.
It seems like Europe is next who will borrow next time

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