Topic: make fun of plagiarisers that act dumb (Read 1141 times)

PR for the Kidnaproot softfork upgrade:


#36 redoubles #18.  At the current rate of original authorship of new excuses, there will be at least a score more before the morrow.

Or perhaps Ratimov and his supporters need their own bingo card.

I did include that excuse on the original edition, which I first posted here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48016152

We even got to mark off that excuse on just the second usage of the bingo card, 4 days later: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48129339

No worries about dev time, i'm currently working on a very small-scale semi-automated exchange script commissioned by a thirth party, so i'm happy to get a break from time to time

At the moment, all bingocards are final, there is no way to reshuffle the excuses. IIRC, i did this to level the playingfield (if you could change/reshuffle the options, it would be to easy to win the bingo ).

But, since this excuse wasn't in the bingopool when you created a bingocard, i have cheated and sneaked this excuse in just for once... It took like 30 seconds of my time to run a single update-query, so it wasn't a problem at all. It's not like the bingo is provably-fair anyways

btw, just for the record, i can't take credit for being a ln dev. I'm a fan, i run bleeding edge versions of ln daemons i recompile at least once a week and i try to submit all bugs i find, but i'm not nearly smart enough to be a ln dev

Thanks, mocacinno!

Is there a way to bump it for a different random selection?  Not that I would ask you to steal dev cycles from your Lightning work for a bingo game!

I did not realize that there was already a “don’t remember” entry.  It must not have come up on the random selection before; and in any event, it does not seem to match the post text in this case.

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It is more of my own excuse to bump a thread that I have been wanting to bump anyway.

OP is from December 2018; I was absent from the forum from April 2018 to January 2020.  On the very same day that I returned, I found this delightful bingo game; and I red-tagged cryptohunter with reference to something he said earlier in this thread.  I avoided bumping this thread over that, because that controversy really belongs in its own topic, q.v.

So, when do I get to play bingo?  Now, I suppose. :-)


I will not censor myself for fear that somebody may construct a twisted misinterpretation of my motives.

Wow, this is an old one, i'm happy to see it's still being used.

I added the string, altough 24 excuses are picked randomly out of the 33 potential excuses, so there's always a chance this excuse won't be picked when generating a new bingo card.

The current content of the excuselist:

You woke up a 2year old thread to bump your new thread?
Your feud with that hacker guy looks very personal...

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Cool project OP

Fun tool!  Feature request:  Add, “I just don't remember when I did this shit!”

(Also, accusations by the plagiarist that those who advocate against him are mentally ill.  But it would require quite an advanced AI to track that across threads.)

For all types of wrongdoing, the “I don’t remember” ploy is a classic.  Alas, the bingo card generator does not recognize this:


(Red boldface enlargement is supplied by me.)

Thanks to mocacinno and o_e_l_e_o for the laughs.  Though in all fairness to excuse-making plagiarists, I think that bingo is the wrong game here:  Their handiwork deserves a drinking game.

I saw something on youtube the other day that made me think of the shitposters and scammers on this forum..

https://youtu.be/axYKPbr9_MA

The doctor tells him to get a mask and wear gloves. The stupid fuck just comes up with some excuse he can't wear gloves..
Yeah working in gloves sucks but you get used to it and learn it. I know..
Yeah wearing a gas mask and a tyvek suit sucks but you learn to deal with it. I know..
I have 3 chemical masks in my collection now and wear them often on my personal time while I'm cutting/grinding/chemicaling in enclosed areas.

They don't even give a shit enough to save themselves much less their environment.
Leave it up to them and this forum will look just like their rivers.

Even putting aside your questionable implication that these poor people have a right to earn money on this forum - they can comply with bounties without doing copypasta. There is no excuse for being so lazy. Being poor is not an excuse for being lazy.

So should I also feel sorry for the people who call me on the telephone from less fortunate countries and try to scam me? I really like the calls that tell me they are from the IRS and have an arrest warrant out for me. The ones that tell me they are from Windows and something is wrong with my computer don't make me happy either. After all, I am sure these people that call me are just trying to feed their family. I suppose next time that I should just fork over the money they want or let them remote access my computer and install malware. Perhaps they will be satisfied with this silver spoon in my mouth that I was born with.

It may be sound funny for those who violated the rules in the forum but I think we should also understand that not all users are like you guys. Probably due to financial difficulties and found this forum as a another source of income creating multiple accounts and hoping to earn. Due to the fact that bounty managers has asked all the bounty hunter esp. in signature campaign a specific number of post to comply to get rewards, so bounty hunter tend to copy and paste writings for easier way in achieving the number of posts then. Poverty is the root reason for this. Not all users here born with silver spoon on their mouth with less opportunity even they work hard.

Anyway, It is not good to consider plagiarist for it is indeed a negative impact to.the forum if all posts are copied and paste. In my opinion making fun of them is not appropriate. They had learned their lessons already when they got ban.

Another one for the bingo - "theymos did it":

@mocacinno:

PM me your email and I'll send over the file. I assume you have a program to open .psd files (photoshop, GIMP, or similar) and know what you are doing with them? If not, I can scrub the template clean and send it as a .jpg if that's easier for you to work with?

Well... This project isn't something that is done instead of banning a plagiariser... This project comes into play after a plariariser was banned, once he creates a new account and starts posting in meta with all kinds of dumb excuses as to why he should be unbanned.
In these cases, a ban does not suffice, because they created a new account and started a new thread with this new account.

I agree that if somebody is banned for plagiarism, this is enough... Even when they create a new account and creates a thread in meta asking why they are banned, they should not be ridiculed AS LONG as they accept the reason why they were banned and move on. It's only when they start acting out, not accepting their ban even if the rules are clearly quoted and evidence is dug up to confront them with their offence that this tool should come into play. It should make it obvious for them that all excuses to get unbanned have been given before, and they should just accept the fact that they broke one of the few actual hard rules and now they are no longer welcome...

Anyways, you're free to have your opinion about banning people, signature campaigns, this tool,... and you're free to express these opinions. This tool isn't an official bitcointalk tool tough, so if you don't like it: ignore it...
If you don't like me: ignore me
If you don't like people that use this tool: ignore them
The "ignore" button is right there, under our names... You don't even have to visit our profiles

Sincerely, I was trying to understand the expected humour in all of this ridicule until I read this post. I agree with you totally. Ridiculing someone because they are plagiarists won't make any impact. Banning them for plagiarism will do. Most plagiarists don't even know how or what it takes to write a post of their own. So, they may not even get the sense of ridicule people are trying to subject them to here. Simple, ban them. Don't laugh at them.

Wow, this one escalated quickly while i was away from the office... So much has happened that i cannot answer each person individually, so i'll give 5 general answers:

• This tool isn't intended for creating plagiarising reports, it's not even intended for plagiarisers that ask why they are banned and right away accept the answers and move on... This tool is generated for plagiarisers that create a thread and act like they did nothing wrong, giving the lamest excuses imaginably. The tool is intended to make these abusers aware of the fact we know all the excuses they're about to give.
• I will add all new excuses into the database...
• @o_e_l_e_o: thanks for the permission, i'll add credits to the correct thread at the bottom of my page. I'd be thrilled to get a better looking layout, the only requirement is that the fields are evenly spaced (i scripted the whole bingo game, the stamps are placed in a fixed pattern, so if the fields aren't evenly spaced things go wrong pretty fast)
• All fields are obligatory, but there is no checking mechanism (offcourse i sanitize my inputs, but any integer will do)... I'd appreciate it if real postid's were entered (since i automatically generate a link based on the postid), but if you don't know the id of the complainer or the abuser, you can make up an id...
• I don't want to get mixed up in the whole discussion here... The only thing i want to say is that I personally don't feel the need to remove my signature because there are bounty spammer plagiarists that also wear one. I drive a car, but i'm not going to give away my car because sometimes somebody else drives drunk... It's the drunk driver that has to go to jail, it's not me who has to stop driving... That's all i want to say about this subject

LOL thank god you're here I was getting concerned. I can rest easy now. You will be waiting until you provide them I'm afraid. Or perhaps you have already posted them. Or you're not born yet. Depends what vibrational level foxy has you set at.

I like this. When rewards sir?

Just a small suggestion, can you remove these:
I want to tick fields without knowing the result 

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On side note
I am still waiting for my merit stats.

Go re-read the entire other thread. Then ask me again if you are still confused. It seems quite straight forward. It will cover all of your questions but if not then be sure to propose them again on the appropriate thread.

The only part valid for this thread is the financial motivation for posting. I was just suggesting that if you wanted people to have no means of saying that your posts may be financially motivated you could remove your signature and prove that you would post regardless of getting paid per post.  You wish to continue getting paid to post. That is fair enough. The rest will become clearer once you read the entire other thread and if not I will answer any outstanding questions.

This thread will be derailed otherwise.

I have said all that I feel inclined to on the subject of making fun of those that have copy and pasted. So better not to clutter this with those explanations.
The other thread is far better suited.

Also I don't recall specifically singling you out for giving disproportionately. I may be suffering memory loss like such moon, I may have done so in the future or perhaps like fox says you are more of a receiver than a giver.... that is between you two..


@foxy

there is no need be like that...

I've not had an encounter with your in over 5 years then all of a sudden everytime I turn around you're behind me again

Whom I transfer my musky yet strangely alluring scent with (past or future) is none of your business. That definitely didn't come out right.

Have you seriously looked at my merit-giving history lately?  How can you possibly accuse me of giving merit disproportionately to any of those members you mentioned above, or of any other member?  Do me a favor and take a closer look at the merits I've given out.

Whether you agree with the opinions in the posts I've merited is another matter, and that doesn't concern me.  We've all got different opinions here, and I disagree with your assertion that I'm meriting posts that are "incorrect time and time again".  And I have to tell you, I'm getting more and more confused about exactly what it is you think is going on here and what the problem is.  Sig campaigns?  Abuse of shitposters?  A cabal of senior members sharing merits and coincidentally posting in the same Meta threads?  Most of the members you've mentioned (and myself) do hang out in Meta a lot, so it's not a surprise that we're all replying to your posts.  You've probably read a lot of our posts, too, so it shouldn't be surprising that we're disagreeing with a lot of things you're writing.  It's not a conspiracy, though.

Edit:Oh, I'm sure she'll understand and return the favor.

You should have started with that. All doors (and holes) are open for HBW. That probably didn't come out right.

Yeah that's because you're stalking me.

This is not about ridiculing "people banned". This is about excuses for plagiarism, which is a deliberate violation of forum rules. You can feel pitty and others can laugh, seems like a fair deal.

@tp

You don't want to remove your sig and you like getting paid to post. Fair enough nothing wrong with that. Financial motivation to post is not essentially worthy of scorn.
It's not that you are backing up pals (people you are very familiar with and share a lot of merit appreciation with) it is that you are meriting and agreeing with statements they are making that are incorrect time and time again. If one of loyce, suchmoon, marboroza, The pharmacist is there another one will surely follow. Are you guys notified if one of the others makes a post?


@suchmoon

Who could have imagined you would show up here (from the future with the fresh fox scent on you).




Anyway not to derail this thread l will say simply I don't find it in the spirit of this board to ridicule people banned if they are not consistent of clearly financially motivated copy and pasters. I feel only pitty when I see some of the others begging and grovelling for probably their only means of making some bucks. I certainly don't feel I want to start ridiculing them.  The worst offenders will not appeal here they know there is no chance. Tell marboroza and loyce to hurry up it feels wrong with out them here.

See, I told you, cryptohunter--they didn't invite me (and I'm hoping the place at least has windows and doesn't ever catch on fire). 

And suchmoon if you ever do invite me to that club, can I bring my lady friend along with me?  She really knows the spirit of bitcointalk and might love to be in on a good conspiracy.

Looks like you found your calling. Let us know how it goes, you might even get some merits if you're good at it.


The foxhole - where all shady shit takes place - doesn't have doors. I think we're gonna have to keep you away from the punch bowl during the next backslapper's club meeting if you don't remember anything.

No, because I have nothing against signature campaigns and don't mind getting paid to do something I'd be doing anyway.  I was a member here for about 9 months or so before I joined a signature campaign.  I didn't even know what they were until I started reading about how they were the main reason why the majority of posts on the forum are so bad.  Why should I punish myself to prove something to anyone here?  And it isn't like it would help anything anyway.

Shitposters shouldn't be in signature campaigns.  It's a privilege to be in one, and I think all of them should be as selective as Chipmixer is.  It's no small amount of money (to me) that I earn by being in the campaign, but IMO I'm not a shitposter and I do my best to keep earning the privilege of being in not only a sig campaign, but Chipmixer in particular. 

Who are my pals?  Why do you think that if more than one person who consistently disagrees with you, there's some sort of conspiracy?  I also don't mean to be rude, but you seem to be a bit paranoid.  There are a lot of members here who see the shitposting problem through the same lens that I do, and that may have something to do with how blatant and obvious the problem is.  They're not my "pals", just people who happen to share a similar opinion on the matter.  I've disagreed with a lot of DT members (past and present) and staff before, including hilariousandco, Lauda, DarkStar_, LoyceV, and others as well.  There's no concerted effort to do anything as far as I'm aware.  I very rarely even exchange PMs with any of them, so there's nothing that I know of going on behind closed doors.  If there is, they're not including me in it.

" I don't care how poor or desperate these plagiarists are"

"My conscience doesn't bother me about taking the piss out of those kinds of people"

The pharmacist the potential mod and DT member super merit achiever....



I would not advise making statements based upon your moral compass nor your critical decision making capabilities.

Maybe they are just pretending to be desperate and are secret billionaires begging for airdrop and sig crumbs. I mean can you provide alternative explanation for newish accounts begging and pleading to keep their full or snr member accounts?

There are 2 kinds of assumptions

1. bank alarm going off - guy running out with gun and swag bag and mask - - assuming he could have just robbed the bank?

2. guy posting a guide saying  I have compiled these guides from other guides I found on the net - -  assuming he is claiming the work as his own..


You see there are sensible and reasonable assumptions and completely clueless crazy assumptions. Not all assumptions are equal if you want to make optimal sense of the world.


Also I notice you have a very well paid sig on. Would you care to remove it to prove that you are not here for financial reasons at all??

I will remove my sig so long as You, Loyce, and all the others earing nice bucks from their sigs do so?  What do you guys say. Let's all not have any sigs for a year?  I mean we are not all here just motivated by money are we? we are real enthusiasts.

I will do it if you guys all do the same. Let us set a good example to those greedy 3rd world desperate people here to earn bucks and not here for the pure brilliance of being part of the decentralised trustless movement here.

LET'S BE CLEAR I am saying the real spammers (the worst kind) will not even bother to come here and appeal. I am talking those who have made the odd mistake generally and are being ridiculed is not my idea of being constructive. Sure most deserve to be banned according to the rules fair enough... but I would not say making a game to ridicule them is at all in the spirit of this forum.

Start finding the real people who have scammed or look like real scammers and turn your attention to painting them in the light they should be not picking on easy targets.

I don't mean to be rude to you specifically but I find you to be searching down all your pals who are disagreeing with me and giving merit and support to them when they are clearly wrong and making crazy statements. Please find something sensible to do or else make a sensible and credible argument of your own instead of just meriting nonsense and agreeing with quite mad statements.

It's exactly in the spirit of bitcointalk.  I don't care how poor or desperate these plagiarists are, and there's no way of knowing that for sure anyway.  It's just an assumption.  The indisputable fact is that there are too many newbies coming here to make money by shitposting, and a lot of them are getting busted for stealing other people's work.  I have no sympathy for that.

Good, Meta would be a lot cleaner if that were to happen.  But it hasn't happened yet, which is why the Plagiarism Bingo game is such jolly good fun.  They lie, they give excuses, and they beg--all of that on top of the original offense of stealing content.  My conscience doesn't bother me about taking the piss out of those kinds of people.

I don't think plagiarism is in the spirit of this forum.


I sympathize, but if being able to join bounty campaigns is this important to them, then all the more reason they should have read the rules. It doesn't exactly take much effort to write a single original sentence, which is what most of these bounty campaigns will pay for.


In my opinion, there is no valid "excuse" for plagiarism. I assume the cases you are talking about are when people have copy and pasted various announcements that were obviously announcements. I agree not deserving of an outright ban (unless they are obviously trying to monetize it by adding their own referral links to the bottom of the post or something similar), but it still isn't an excuse and they should properly reference their source.


We know users like this don't read the rules, but if plagiarizers are rightly ridiculed whenever they are encountered, word may spread and it could serve as a deterrent to others.


I don't know why you post in every ban appeal thread or thread about plagiarism asking for leniency for the user(s) in question. Passing someone else's work off as your own, especially when you are doing it simply to get paid, is completely unacceptable in any and all walks of life, from the most early stages of elementary school up to the highest levels of professional careers. A single case of plagiarism is enough to get you expelled from university or fired from a job. I don't know why that should be any different here, regardless of the user's real life circumstances. There isn't much that will get you permanently banned on this forum, but this is one line that we should not be crossing.

This guy is using a lot of excuses and pleads in his thread:



and then when he got caught red handed on doing it more than once.


If a plagiarizer is really desperate to recovering his account he can create a lot of unique and not so convincing excuses to do so.

Don't think it is in the spirit of this board.

1. most of these people are poor as fuck and even though they need to be banned I can't say I have no idea why they do this.
The ones begging and trying to find excuses are probably the poorest and most desperate of all. I feel sorry for some of them.

2. some people have semi legit reasons and have already been made fun of and their valid "excuses" have been ridiculed. Luckily although they were accused and not banned so this gives me faith in the moderation here to a reasonable degree.

3. Just provide the evidence that then need a ban and just leave it at that.

I'm sure there are more useful things people who really want to contribute to the board can be doing rather than ridiculing the poorest and sometimes most desperate of people.

I have to say the real bad copy and pasters will never even bother coming here to complain since they know it is completely futile.

what about "Please, Please,Please unban me this time, I will not do it again"

How about a "wedding" excuse, or a more generic "love made me blind and stupid". This one is quite rare and would add some real challenge to the game.


A similar one - "honeymoon":

I didn't create it, but I did suggest it and o_e_l_e_o quickly created it. Glad to see you've added the I was drunk excuse. That's been used a few times. I think on the original paedo bingo one it includes the drink/drugs excuse.


"I outsourced posts" could be one. I think a couple of people have also used some variation of the my family member was ill. I wonder if any of these excuses would ever fly from a moderator. Imagine me incorrectly banning someone and claiming I was drunk or I outsourced moderation or got my brother/cousin/non-existent wife to do the work instead.

Original thread is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48016152

I am indeed the original creator. Should have put my name on it. I made this after a suggestion from hilarious, and based it heavily (as you can see in the original thread) on a "peadophile bingo" that he had found online. Feel free to do what you would like with it. I have the master as a .psd file with everything in separate layers and easily editable - I can send you a copy if it would help you "spruce up" your generated images.

I made it very quickly with excuses I could remember off the top of my head, and I've missed out some fairly common ones. "I was drunk" is a particular favorite of mine that should have been included.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/account-banned-for-plagiarism-5079217 Read the 1st post here. This deserves to be included somehow. Maybe " I was provided posts for a defaulted loan"

Added

There was a few times also " I bought that Account and it was the Owner before"

Bingo Time     LoL

yeah, to be honest, i don't know who's intellectual property the bingo is... I linked to the thread where i first saw the bingo card appear at the top of my OP AND at the bottom of my webpage in order to give some credit to the inventor, however, hilariousetc didn't include any copyright so the actual inventor might not be credited correctly...

If you're certain that o_e_l_e_o is the inventor, i'll shoot him a PM to ask permission

I was gonna yell at you for stealing o_e_l_e_o's intellectual property but this seems to be a serious effort. Great project, good luck dev

I'll add it right away  

update: it's in the pool, ready to be picked for the next "plagiariser's bingo"

you need "yes I read the rules" as they proceed to double post.

I was browsing meta and found following thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5083830.0;topicseen

hilariousetc posted a plagiariser bingo, and it was quickly picked up by other members... HOWEVER: it was hard for them to keep uploading new images, and there was no way to tally any winner...
That's why i took a couple of hours out of my schedule to create.... PLAGIARISER's BINGO: the app

How does it work?

• You see a plagiariser starting to complain
• Visit https://www.mocacinno.com/bingo/index.php and fill the form... A new url will be created for your unique bingo. At the moment, only 26 excuses are available, out of which 24 will be picked at random
• Hotlink the image from my site AND copy the full url that was generated for you at the bottom of the image... People that want to play need to visit the webpage to claim a new spot
• No need to add the image multiple times... It'll automatically be updated when new spots are claimed (at least, if bitcointalk's imageproxy isn't caching the image;) )

Example for post #100:

Want to play? Visit Mocacinno's plagiariser bingo


Todo:

• Calculate when somebody won the running bingo and add their name to the winlist
• Add more excuses