Manchester United current crisis and what could be the solution

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on December 24, 2024, 01:33:47 PM

Erik ten Hag came and spent who knows how many million dollars on transfers. Did it work? Not at all. Because he was still doing something wrong after these transfers also. I was even surprised to see him lasting that long.

Now Ruben Amorim has arrived. Could he be the savior? I just say "Why not?". He had a really great time with Sporting. But of course he had his all life in Portugal also and he is now trying to adapt to one of the biggest leagues in Europe.

For now it's hard to criticize him. Because he manages the squad Erik ten Hag reshaped. If he is given enough time and makes the transfers he would like to then I think he could do better. Honestly I like his system more than Erik ten Hag's.

Amorim will not last long in Manchester United, mark My words. He is not the first manager that did well in their previous club before coming to Manchester United. We have all seen it over the years at Manchester United. Different managers with even better CV's yet in the end it's always the same story, and Amorim have started trailing that path. Amorim can on hide on the pretence that he is still new to the league for too long. that's only going to save him this season. There is high expectations on the shoulder of Amorim, so he better get his game plans right. He has lost to Nottingham forest and Bournemouth at old Trafford since he came. There is no difference between his performance so far and that of Eric Ten Hag. People will say the squad are not his own assembled players, that's true but Arne Slot is doing a great job with the squad that klopp assembled. I have watched that Man called Amorim very closely since he took over Manchester United, there is no progress. He just another Ten Hag answering another name.

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Erik ten Hag came and spent who knows how many million dollars on transfers. Did it work? Not at all. Because he was still doing something wrong after these transfers also. I was even surprised to see him lasting that long.

Now Ruben Amorim has arrived. Could he be the savior? I just say "Why not?". He had a really great time with Sporting. But of course he had his all life in Portugal also and he is now trying to adapt to one of the biggest leagues in Europe.

For now it's hard to criticize him. Because he manages the squad Erik ten Hag reshaped. If he is given enough time and makes the transfers he would like to then I think he could do better. Honestly I like his system more than Erik ten Hag's.

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This thread was created when Ten Hag was still the coach of Manchester United, many said he was the problem and the head coach needed to be changed which I never agreed to it, there are coaches better than Ten Hag but I don't think he has been the worst to handle the club, during his time they were able to atleast achieve a trophy but the main liability in the club are the players especially the attakers who possess every game but has never made good use of those opportunities.

Under the management of Amorim, the air is said to be cleared better on whose fault, sinc they are not progressive like the way fans expected the soon outcome under the new management. The players needs to be filtered properly, using this transfer windows efficiently will enhance their outcome after on, once they keep lacking like always, we will be seeing them finish the season not even in the top ten.

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Quote from: Su-asa on December 23, 2024, 06:57:52 AM

Manchester united lost their last Match and I feel really bad for them. It's a team that was doing very well in the past but due to the terrible form they are in it's hard for them to maintain a good record. This is one of the disadvantage for a team to rely too much on star players because when those players are no longer there it might be hard for them to deliver. I think the solution to the crisis they face is getting a good coach and focusing on how the team is going to be reformed. Their victory against man city was quite impressive but I wasn't surprised because history tends to repeat itself sometimes.

Aside from getting a good coach, restore the mentality of its lineup of athletes that even without star players, they can still deliver the best performance they can have inside the field. Sometimes it is how they put their heart on their games, to see how they can offer the best game to the audience. The success of every game depends on various factors, not only from the coach but as well as from the athletes themselves. They go hand in hand to achieve winning matches.

Absolutely right, I (all the time) get weary when ever I see fans throwing all the blames on the coach when ever a team or club fails to meet the expectation of the fans in terms of performance and winning matches, I get weary because I understand that the performance of a football team (for example) doesn't lay in the hands of the coach alone, the coach does his part which is to train the players, tutor them how to attack their opponent, as well defend their side from conceding goals, now, when the player go into th4 field to play, alot of factors may influence the outcome of the match outside the coach's control, but still, the coach is blamed for everything, meanwhile, when the club wins a match, the players are appreciate and congratulated for playing a good game, most completely forget the coach's effort, irony of life I must say.

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Quote from: crwth on December 23, 2024, 10:47:58 AM

As far as I remember, managers have continuously changed, right? From Moyes, Gaal, then Hag. I forgot but I think it has something to do with that and the long-term target has been affected. There might be mismanagement, and issues have arisen because of it. It affects the player's performance and maybe the attitude towards the club, and it might not be the same as before.

Maybe start with the culture and structure of the club with the right mindset and target.

Different managers have managed Manchester United since Sir Alex Ferguson left the club no doubt but I don't think there's any of them whose impact on the club will be as big as what the current manager Ruben Amorim will have on the club. Amorim is a young manager who I think have all it takes to succeed at Manchester United but needs a little time to fully adapt. He should be given some time so he can help return the club to their best once again.

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Quote from: Su-asa on December 23, 2024, 06:57:52 AM

Manchester united lost their last Match and I feel really bad for them. It's a team that was doing very well in the past but due to the terrible form they are in it's hard for them to maintain a good record. This is one of the disadvantage for a team to rely too much on star players because when those players are no longer there it might be hard for them to deliver. I think the solution to the crisis they face is getting a good coach and focusing on how the team is going to be reformed. Their victory against man city was quite impressive but I wasn't surprised because history tends to repeat itself sometimes.

Aside from getting a good coach, restore the mentality of its lineup of athletes that even without star players, they can still deliver the best performance they can have inside the field. Sometimes it is how they put their heart on their games, to see how they can offer the best game to the audience. The success of every game depends on various factors, not only from the coach but as well as from the athletes themselves. They go hand in hand to achieve winning matches.

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As far as I remember, managers have continuously changed, right? From Moyes, Gaal, then Hag. I forgot but I think it has something to do with that and the long-term target has been affected. There might be mismanagement, and issues have arisen because of it. It affects the player's performance and maybe the attitude towards the club, and it might not be the same as before.

Maybe start with the culture and structure of the club with the right mindset and target.

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Well no matter our argument and discussions about why Manchester United has fallen as there are many angles to that, the fact remains that some times clubs have such season that they fall from being hero to almost underdogs. This has happened to many teams in Premiership side that have been relegated, come back and go down again, example is Newcastle. Liverpool have also had a taste of hers, to mention a few. Barcelona also is not as active as it was when we had the great players that has graced Camp Nou including coaches like Frank Rijkaard, Pep Guardiola .

However, in the case of Manchester United, Alex Ferguson had a very long career in Old Trafford. Coaching a club for almost three decades isn't easy. It will surely cause a lacuna if there was no adequate replacement plan and there wasn't actually in this case.

Alex Ferguson was given free hand and I don't think he had back up grew to take up from him. He left no strategic long term plan for the club, he handed over to a technocrat and administrator, Ed Woodward the vice chairman. He ran the club for some time before they decided to get a coach. So I just feel they will get it right one day when they get the right coach and players. No coach that is doing well without great players too.

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Manchester united lost their last Match and I feel really bad for them. It's a team that was doing very well in the past but due to the terrible form they are in it's hard for them to maintain a good record. This is one of the disadvantage for a team to rely too much on star players because when those players are no longer there it might be hard for them to deliver. I think the solution to the crisis they face is getting a good coach and focusing on how the team is going to be reformed. Their victory against man city was quite impressive but I wasn't surprised because history tends to repeat itself sometimes.

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Quote from: BIT-BENDER on December 07, 2024, 12:14:46 PM

Presently if you asked me I would say Manchester City are the team in Manchester that are more of in a crisis, yes United needs to improve but in recent games Manchester United are becoming better off than Manchester City.

United has signed a new coach who has been impressive in his former team, Sporting CP so I think he needs some time although he has said that Manchester United needs to improve more as a team and not only be recognized as a big team and I very much agree with him.

Maybe it just the wrong time to be in Manchester United as a coach, the players at Manchester United are very indiscipline, and i will personally say for that team to regain it stand back as the big team they use to be they need to sell off a lot of player and bring in new ones that will fight for the badge. Just take a look at chelsea, how they play, how they mark, and how they even retain the ball and create chances. We know maresca is in experienced compared to other coaches but because of the qualities players Chelsea bought to rebuild the team makes it easy for him and his style of play. Manchester needs to do the same, all a lot of players and bring in quality to make Amorim work more easy for him.

The lose to Bournemouth yesterday has now made it three loss in the premier league already for him and all came in December, for the first time in the history of Manchester United they will spend the Christmas and probably new year in the bottom half of the league table. This is bad and if it continues like this questions like is Amorim good enough for the club will begin to arise.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on December 07, 2024, 11:10:24 AM

I don't think club loyalty should simply be based on the performance of the club or because your favorite or star player is there, if you switched sides due to any reason best known to you then it means you were never a fan in the first place sorry to say, you were just a fan of a particular player. Manchester united has been a strong force intl the EPL it hurts knowing that they are way passed their prime, they are constantly losing to small teams this season, what could actually be the solution to their current problem. Perhaps they need to buy sound players.

Maybe you’re prolly right, maybe your definition of being a fan is totally different from mine. I’ve got my Own way of looking at these things and if it’s not same with yours, then sorry. I didn’t stop being a fan of Man United simply because they performed badly or something of sort like you assume, I had my own reasons. Maybe I figured out I enjoyed football experience better when I’m observing from a neutral perspective. Yeah I have a few players I love their art and enjoying following them, but that doesn’t mean I’ll have to love the club they are simply because I love them.
I love Cristiano Ronaldo, but that doesn’t mean I’ll automatically be a fan of Al Nasir, I’m not saying those who are fans of clubs don’t know what they’re doing, I’m just saying I’m not like that, I have a different way of seeing things and I love it that way.

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Presently if you asked me I would say Manchester City are the team in Manchester that are more of in a crisis, yes United needs to improve but in recent games Manchester United are becoming better off than Manchester City.

United has signed a new coach who has been impressive in his former team, Sporting CP so I think he needs some time although he has said that Manchester United needs to improve more as a team and not only be recognized as a big team and I very much agree with him.

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Quote from: Jaycoinz on December 07, 2024, 11:10:24 AM

Quote from: Tungbulu on October 04, 2024, 04:15:54 AM

I used to be a fan of Manchester United way back then in the days Alex, but after his retirement, just as you've rightly said, I don't think there's been any coach that can be compared to him, his dedication and commitment to the club I believe was his greatest tool that made the team soar, and yes, his relationship and connection with his team could be seen as another reason the club has been thriving back then. And I think this is the major problem Manchester United is facing, the coaches who come into the club I believe fail to establish a better relationship with the players, Eric Ten Hag is a great Coach and an experienced leader, but it takes more than that to make a club like Manchester United to soar and return to its previous glory. I think Ten Hag prefers to enforce his tactics on the players rather than also giving a listening ears to the players too to talk, and I believe this is the main thing that made him disagree with Cristiano Ronaldo.

If the Coach can connect well with the players, I believe there'll be a positive change in the club's performance.

I don't think club loyalty should simply be based on the performance of the club or because your favorite or star player is there, if you switched sides due to any reason best known to you then it means you were never a fan in the first place sorry to say, you were just a fan of a particular player. Manchester united has been a strong force intl the EPL it hurts knowing that they are way passed their prime, they are constantly losing to small teams this season, what could actually be the solution to their current problem. Perhaps they need to buy sound players.

True loyalty to the club should not depend on performance, coach or certain player, because indeed as true fans we should still support the team in any situation, but if someone only supports the club based on a certain player or coach, then he is not a fans from the club but he is a fan from that coach or player.

Btw I think currently Manchester United problems have been solved with the recruitment of Amorim as a coach, so maybe the OP needs to replace this thread with a new title, namely Manchester City current crisis and what could be the solution Grin

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Quote from: Tungbulu on October 04, 2024, 04:15:54 AM

I used to be a fan of Manchester United way back then in the days Alex, but after his retirement, just as you've rightly said, I don't think there's been any coach that can be compared to him, his dedication and commitment to the club I believe was his greatest tool that made the team soar, and yes, his relationship and connection with his team could be seen as another reason the club has been thriving back then. And I think this is the major problem Manchester United is facing, the coaches who come into the club I believe fail to establish a better relationship with the players, Eric Ten Hag is a great Coach and an experienced leader, but it takes more than that to make a club like Manchester United to soar and return to its previous glory. I think Ten Hag prefers to enforce his tactics on the players rather than also giving a listening ears to the players too to talk, and I believe this is the main thing that made him disagree with Cristiano Ronaldo.

If the Coach can connect well with the players, I believe there'll be a positive change in the club's performance.

I don't think club loyalty should simply be based on the performance of the club or because your favorite or star player is there, if you switched sides due to any reason best known to you then it means you were never a fan in the first place sorry to say, you were just a fan of a particular player. Manchester united has been a strong force intl the EPL it hurts knowing that they are way passed their prime, they are constantly losing to small teams this season, what could actually be the solution to their current problem. Perhaps they need to buy sound players.

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Quote from: X-ray on October 07, 2024, 11:00:16 AM

Yet again, Manchester United breaks another bad record. They break their worst start last season. Their current stats are even worse than last season. They scored 5 goals in 7 games. That's far worse than Ole's worst start, which was 9 goals in 7 games.

It's unbelievable that people still doubt if their coach, Ten Hag, is the problem. And i think with all of the evidence above, he's sackable now.

I'm feeling like keeping Ten hag on this season has been a really bad decision from Glazer and Ineos. It's getting worse. They've invested more money in him, and it won't pay off.

Since ten hag became Manchester United manager, he has spent a whole lot of funds and yet results keeps getting worse by the season and yet he's yet to be sacked, I wonder what is still keeping him because the Manchester United i know before would have served him later long before now but it keeps surprising me how he's has been able to stay this long even with the terrible results, maybe till he gets Manchester United relegated then they will see to the fact that he should leave t he team, he's one of the well paid in England just like the players yet he only keeps getting worse, it's so sad a thing for such a big team.

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Well, the only solution I can think of right now would be an elimination method... Erick has failed the club and, the more he's tolerated for his incompetence, the more he keeps getting it all wrong. I'm trying to think of what really got Manchester United's interest to signing him as a head coach in the first place.

This is one of the worse seasons in the premier league for Manchester United as they keep struggling in the 14th position on the league table. How impressive is that supposed to be?
Erick has been stressing on the cleansheets he has achieved - what does 4 clean sheets got to do with securing a good position on the table? I think he really needs to hands off for someone with a better strategy.

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Quote from: Stepstowealth on October 05, 2024, 09:00:58 AM

Quote from: MrEazyLife on October 04, 2024, 03:30:55 AM

-Could it be they hasn’t found the right manager to deliver the job.

The problem of Manchester United to me is the coach. The coach is not doing well even though many may think he has won a trophy with United, I still think he should be sacked, and a better manager be brought in. The coach has bad relationship with the players in my opinion and that is why some of the players have refused to put in their best because they think the coach does not deserve it. See Jadon Sancho for instance who the coach refused forgiving and sent to Chelsea but now he's doing very well in Chelsea even better than he did under Manchester United that is a sign that the coach is not fit for the club.
Manchester United will travel to play Aston Villa this weekend, I am sure they will loose that game because Unia Emery is currently a better coach.

I agree with you, my view is that the arrival of the current coach has made the Red Devils club complicated and messy. He just came in and started selling good players just to bring in players from his old club Ajax. With a fairly large transfer fee behind it, I think there is a business conflict. And even a good player Ronaldo is very disappointed, he rarely plays when he plays, a good player, a football icon, just sits on the bench. The arrival of the current coach makes me never watch Manchester United because the concept from the beginning looks very bad. The key is the current coach, everything can slowly return to normal.

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Yet again, Manchester United breaks another bad record. They break their worst start last season. Their current stats are even worse than last season. They scored 5 goals in 7 games. That's far worse than Ole's worst start, which was 9 goals in 7 games.

It's unbelievable that people still doubt if their coach, Ten Hag, is the problem. And i think with all of the evidence above, he's sackable now.

I'm feeling like keeping Ten hag on this season has been a really bad decision from Glazer and Ineos. It's getting worse. They've invested more money in him, and it won't pay off.

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Quote from: MrEazyLife on October 04, 2024, 03:30:55 AM

Manchester United as a historical club. Who’s achievement is other football club dreams. Has in the past years lost its glory after Alex Ferguson stepped down as the manager. He has been succeeded by many managers after he retired and non has been able to continue in his legacy not to talk of doing greater things nor achieving something greater.
-The question is what could be the reason to It’s down fall?
Lot of people said Man U are facing karma, as a result of match fixing and bribery. Could this be true?
United hasn’t been the same after Ferguson left the club.
-Could it be mismanagement or the owners aren’t putting out more effort to see the glory going forward?
-Could it be they hasn’t found the right manager to deliver the job.
-Could it be the players at some point don’t bother about the the future of the club as a result of the high wages they received.
Something needs to be done to restore Man U back to its glory

Well, you are right, something indeed needs to be done to restore the glory of Manchester united, but the big question is...
1. What is exactly the thing that needs to be done?
2. Who is the right person to proper do whatever is it that needs to be done?

Look, it's really a hard time for Manchester united, and to be honest, I am not surprised, the law of gravity is real and affects every thing that is man made, which is to tell you that nothing stays up forever, it's only a matter of time and it will come crashing..
Even the much celebrated Manchester city today will one day come crashing as well, it's only a matter of time.

So, my personal advice and conclusion is that, what Manchester united are going through is nothing far from the ordinary, they should keep doing their best, the coach should put his all and the players should play with one vision, with time, they will scale through this challenging time, and the management should also consider hiring a better coach if really the coach is the problem.

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I previously did not expect more about Manchester United and their problems are just like problems in general in other clubs, but it seems that there is a lot of enthusiasm about this big club so that a special thread was made to bring up the problems of Man United, this is quite crazy and cool, and proves that how great Man united was in the past and bad in the era of crisis now.
It seems like the serious talk here about, Man Unitted's problem is the coach, from people's perspective it all leads to that, even so I'm quite doubtful that the problems that occur there must be a trigger that might be bigger than that, but it hasn't gone public yet.

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