Yep, indeed manipulation but it is not new in the space and won't be going anywhere. Why? Well look no further than the stocks and commodities markets where this is still rampant, although there are selectively enforced penalties if caught manipulating, but typically nothing you can't buy your way out with a fine and no admission of guilt. Appears eventually they will do something similar with crypto.
Instead, we take those opportunities if the market is down and when some investors are busy selling their coins due to panic. We need to be practical in the other way also knowing that whales have the capabilities to twist the price trend and if we can't adjust how this works, it was we also who suffer losses. That is how important we know to analyze the market trend, not just jump without any idea otherwise, our expectations seems fail. 
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Yep, indeed manipulation but it is not new in the space and won't be going anywhere. Why? Well look no further than the stocks and commodities markets where this is still rampant, although there are selectively enforced penalties if caught manipulating, but typically nothing you can't buy your way out with a fine and no admission of guilt. Appears eventually they will do something similar with crypto.
This pump and dump project could also be a good way to make some profit u know mostly if you have a good insider who can tell every move from the project. This is the most riskiest part of the investment pipeline but it can make millionaires in different low currencies over night. I am not advising anyone to try this please but i felt its something to take into account
This is actually dilemma to get into the dump and pump, and it is like gambling, especially for the newsbies. On one side, we may utilize market manipulation or dump and pump to collect or earn more profits. But we actually don't ow the exact time to buy and sell the decision. Consequently, this is very risky. We may get very high profit from this, but consequently, we can also lose a lot of money form this.
That is why if we are new to this and not really popular with this market situation, it is better to save our money into Bitcoin or top coins for long term holding.
That is why low market cap coins are highly risky for investment since they can be easily manipulated with minimum value of BTC like 100 bitcoins are enough but it is less possible with high market cap coins for example to manipulate bitcoin even 50K bitcoins may shatter the market only for very little time, so for short term investment never pick low market cap coins.
It is always easy to manipulate altcoin markets because they either have small markets or have big manipulators even if it is easier to manipulate smaller altcoins.It also doesn't take nearly as much as what you said to manipulate small altcoins. Sometimes even 0.1 to 1BTC is enough to start the pump or dump in hundreds of them. In fact a lot of pump and dumps in 2017 were with very small amounts of bitcoin.
That is why low market cap coins are highly risky for investment since they can be easily manipulated with minimum value of BTC like 100 bitcoins are enough but it is less possible with high market cap coins for example to manipulate bitcoin even 50K bitcoins may shatter the market only for very little time, so for short term investment never pick low market cap coins.
Is there manipulation in the crypto industry or especially in the crypto market?
This also means in some things that can be attempted to be manipulated, the existence of pump and dump schemes, and also various other schemes so that people are influenced and eventually follow their path. Indeed, the market may be difficult to manipulate directly, but if they have been able to manipulate people's thoughts and make a breakthrough in the market, whether it's a pump or a dump, like it or not, we will certainly continue to follow the path they have made, right? It's not easy for us, especially small traders to fight their way, who are we, how many assets do we have? It will be very difficult. Surely we will be influenced to follow the flow. Therefore, what we must hold is self-control over the market itself, so as not to get too carried away and can anticipate the best things.
This also means in some things that can be attempted to be manipulated, the existence of pump and dump schemes, and also various other schemes so that people are influenced and eventually follow their path. Indeed, the market may be difficult to manipulate directly, but if they have been able to manipulate people's thoughts and make a breakthrough in the market, whether it's a pump or a dump, like it or not, we will certainly continue to follow the path they have made, right? It's not easy for us, especially small traders to fight their way, who are we, how many assets do we have? It will be very difficult. Surely we will be influenced to follow the flow. Therefore, what we must hold is self-control over the market itself, so as not to get too carried away and can anticipate the best things.
This pump and dump project could also be a good way to make some profit u know mostly if you have a good insider who can tell every move from the project. This is the most riskiest part of the investment pipeline but it can make millionaires in different low currencies over night. I am not advising anyone to try this please but i felt its something to take into account
You are right and if one knows how to position trades, it will be easy for a trader to make few profits from the market since the .market had been ranging for long now. This is the time when scalping can be applied to the market to make trades with little movement in market price. The market is dipping now and this is the opportunity many traders are looking for to position a trade in this dip and allow it to move a little bit before taking profits. Bit trading can also be applied here which can capture consistent profits with every little movement in price.
Such market manipulation is a common practice by many whales. They even use bots to do it. In I also found several bots that actively buy and sell simultaneously. But if the manipulation is done by the whales of course they will do the game by pumping it first, then if everyone gathers and starts buying it and the volume goes up they will dump and take some profit. It looks very easy to get a lot of profit, but they also use a lot of capital. quite comparable but the casualties that will be caused are also many. So you need to be vigilant and don't be tempted to join FOMO.
Whales have found out that this crypto market is easy to manipulate and now, it become a common practice that always appears on our minds when there is a pump in prices. I'm not going to wonder why this gonna happen in the market but to think is that this is also the way these whales make a profit from moving it up and down, and taking advantage of those who are new and emotional investors. I'm not going to say it was threat to us but honestly, on the other hand this manipulation makes some people to earn more profit.
This pump and dump project could also be a good way to make some profit u know mostly if you have a good insider who can tell every move from the project. This is the most riskiest part of the investment pipeline but it can make millionaires in different low currencies over night. I am not advising anyone to try this please but i felt its something to take into account
So to the newbies, first, avoid signal channels. They're mostly just using you. Second, if you want to trade, choose coins or pairs that have large volume. Manipulation is a hard thing to do when there's high volume.
This is a good advise. All that glitters is not what you think them to be, telegram groups are mostly out there for selfish reason and personal gain. They only advise you to buy while they are already selling that will bring you losses and the coins won't get up back to fit again except the coin has volume and tradeable then we can expect a recovering.
Such market manipulation is a common practice by many whales. They even use bots to do it. In I also found several bots that actively buy and sell simultaneously. But if the manipulation is done by the whales of course they will do the game by pumping it first, then if everyone gathers and starts buying it and the volume goes up they will dump and take some profit. It looks very easy to get a lot of profit, but they also use a lot of capital. quite comparable but the casualties that will be caused are also many. So you need to be vigilant and don't be tempted to join FOMO.
What I see with the OP is just mere trading, nothing manipulative here. The manipulation of the market is possible, but not in this case.
If you're talking about the explanation provided by the Op. Yes, market manipulation happens in this case.But the OP seems not understand that market manipulation are done in different ways.
Any trading volume of $1.3M should not be termed as a manipulation, traders/investors are free to move in their big volumes. Even the traders with higher liquidity are free to trade without being tagged manipulative unless it is clear they are manipulating the market with their trading actions and inactions, which might or might not tally with some other manipulative huge volume traders.
What I see with the OP is just mere trading, nothing manipulative here. The manipulation of the market is possible, but not in this case.
If you're talking about the explanation provided by the Op. Yes, market manipulation happens in this case.But the OP seems not understand that market manipulation are done in different ways.
What I see with the OP is just mere trading, nothing manipulative here. The manipulation of the market is possible, but not in this case. Whales are like banks, big financial institutions and government in the traditional trading, they can indeed manipulate. But this only happens when they are collectively pumping or removing liquidity to or from a certain asset.
If this is consistent, then they are manipulating the market through their links. This means that many parties or high liquidity must be involved to carefully perpetrate this unlawful scheme. But this one expressed by the OP is mere trading to me. 52+ and 65+ BTC transactions are normal because they are all below $1.3M, not even up to a billion dollars. How could this seriously affect the crypto market?
It is until they are buying in their billions or almost and are consistent in doing so that we could tag them manipulative.
If this is consistent, then they are manipulating the market through their links. This means that many parties or high liquidity must be involved to carefully perpetrate this unlawful scheme. But this one expressed by the OP is mere trading to me. 52+ and 65+ BTC transactions are normal because they are all below $1.3M, not even up to a billion dollars. How could this seriously affect the crypto market?
It is until they are buying in their billions or almost and are consistent in doing so that we could tag them manipulative.
This has always been the rule of the game. Those who could manipulate the market would do it to their advantage. And especially among low-volume coins or pairs, these pump and dump operators could easily manipulate the price, perhaps with the help also of their social media groups, channels, and accounts.
So to the newbies, first, avoid signal channels. They're mostly just using you. Second, if you want to trade, choose coins or pairs that have large volume. Manipulation is a hard thing to do when there's high volume.
So to the newbies, first, avoid signal channels. They're mostly just using you. Second, if you want to trade, choose coins or pairs that have large volume. Manipulation is a hard thing to do when there's high volume.
Altcoins have often been about pump and dump. Many view altcoins for an opportunistic coin and once they get to invest and it pumps, they sooner get to withdraw and dump it then, its over for that coin. Unto the next they go and like that, they keep making money off the greedy, ignorant and traders who hopes it would bounce back. Unfortunately, it never does and your money is gone!
Best way to stay safe, invest in bitcoin and each time you do, make your investments with what you could afford to lose and you would be fine. Just have in mind that you would have to wait a long time upon your investment to yield profit while you improve your knowledge of the trade.
Best way to stay safe, invest in bitcoin and each time you do, make your investments with what you could afford to lose and you would be fine. Just have in mind that you would have to wait a long time upon your investment to yield profit while you improve your knowledge of the trade.
There are few groups which promote such pump and dump and if anyone buys the pump, they are much likely to incur a big loss.
This most of the times happen in the time of altseason.
Sometimes those groups call themselves as forecasting groups (predict crypto prices). They can attack beginners to join since it is free to join the groups and get free predictions regularly. The beginners don't know if the predictions are the way to trap the beginners. They suggest beginners to buy when they are selling, and they suggest beginners to hold once the price drops. They tell the beginners that it is just a temporary drop, it will recover soon. In reality, the price is getting more decreases.This most of the times happen in the time of altseason.
*It is one of the ways done by whales as well.
I've been talking about a similar thing on Bitcoin for years now, especially since they made the futures ETF and then allowed people to short bitcoin. When this wasn't possible the rich players were to lazy to convert their money into BTC and thought it to be too risky for them, but since the futures opened up they allowed them to safely make big money by teaming up with people who already had bitcoin.
This works good for both parties because every time a bitcoin whale sells the futures fiat investor copies their move on a futures exchange and shares profits while the bitcoin holder takes all the risk by holding coins on exchanges.
I have this to tell you OP. Don't play their game. They're here to take your coins and they pray on those who play with big leverage. They have enough money to liquidate you in minutes and they're doing it every day. Don't think their goal is to destroy bitcoin or dump it to 10k or something. They want it to thrive so they can keep doing what they're doing. They don't want to make everyone to lose everything on the market and leave. A chicken that lays eggs is worth more alive than dead.
This works good for both parties because every time a bitcoin whale sells the futures fiat investor copies their move on a futures exchange and shares profits while the bitcoin holder takes all the risk by holding coins on exchanges.
I have this to tell you OP. Don't play their game. They're here to take your coins and they pray on those who play with big leverage. They have enough money to liquidate you in minutes and they're doing it every day. Don't think their goal is to destroy bitcoin or dump it to 10k or something. They want it to thrive so they can keep doing what they're doing. They don't want to make everyone to lose everything on the market and leave. A chicken that lays eggs is worth more alive than dead.
Keep in mind Bitcoin is the most volatile currency. So whales love to Play with that. They sell because want to dump the price by creating panic. So prices become more dumped and panic sellers out. So whales will start to accumulate once again, when people see the green market they jump again. That's how rich become more rich and poor become poorer. It's important to detect whale's movements and follow them. So you may make some decent money.
This is normal in a bear market, no whale will want to hold their BTC bag and watch the price goes down whereas they can make profits from dumping the bag and buying again, this happens with altcoins too, when the market starts turning around you will see that whales will start moving their BTC out of the exchanges.
I would say it's far more common in a bull market and bear market where it's very easy to lure newbies into buying the next x1000 gem or shitcoin. The pumps seem to be very impressive only for people to wake up into a sad reality in the bear market. Jump to: