Topic: Manipulation looks like - page 2. (Read 379 times)

This is normal in a bear market, no whale will want to hold their BTC bag and watch the price goes down whereas they can make profits from dumping the bag and buying again, this happens with altcoins too, when the market starts turning around you will see that whales will start moving their BTC out of the exchanges.

For us its whales manipulation but for them with huge bags probably they are just buying and selling to increase their holdings. Or to say scalping some tokens and coins. The problem here is they are doing it with big funds that why we can feel it as retailers since we only got a tiny pie on that part of they are trading. So pumping and dumping due to this isnt actually illegal cause they are doing it same way we do the only difference is they are risking so much money in the process.

Pump and Dump? Manipulation? Whales buying and selling coins short term?
Nothing new for me and for some here.

What's the point then? Panic sell at a loss? Most of the investors who are panicking here are newbies and those who have been here for quite some time might know what to do into that situation already. This affects traders at least and not those who are holding for mid to long term.

We know that manipulation is happening for a very long time already and what's my strategy into it? I'm just buying long-term coins like Bitcoin and Ethereum. In that way, I'm less prone to pump and dump as these 2 are harder to manipulate plus I will have lesser stress. I already saw many people (mostly influencers) pumping a particular coin and then will sell it immediately and leave those investors who bought late at a loss.

That is not all of the pumpers' money that shows in this stats though. Basically the actual pumpers buy the shitcoin before the pump begins then they call up the idiots to buy the expensive shitcoin and as they start buying some others (with bots, etc.) notice and start buying on the rise. Then the pumpers start dumping as the idiots continue buying the expensive shitcoin.
It is also obvious from the difference between the volumes (65 in, 52 out) that shows the bag holders who held on to the shitcoin hoping it goes up and gives them profit.

Technically what you explained is just a correction during the pump not necessarily the pumpers. After each sudden jump in price of anything, there is always a dump when traders pull out their profit after reaching a certain %.
Remember the second group I said join in as they see the pump starting? This kind of "correction" is usually them selling to get their quick profit out.

It is a high risk method of making quick profit from market manipulation. You see a rocket, you jump on but you jump off quickly too before the rocket crashes!

I don't really know what kind utility this alt/token provides. But if a sell order of 3% can manipulate the whole market of that alt/token and cause around 25% fall ^{(as of this time today in cmc)}, then investing such coin is probably too risky just like these common new shitcoin.

This isn't new in the crypto world and most of them are those new projects, and their token becomes a pump and dump because it's manipulated.
That's why we should look closely at what we invested, investigations are a must because investing in crypto is very crucial, there are too many big players that wanted to play the market to gain profit.

This kind of project sometimes has investment schemers reap a large amount of profit by making poor investors becomes a loser because of manipulating the market.

Remember how Elon Musk manipulated the market before?

This is what actually happens in the market, there will be whales that will pump a coin although in this case, it may not totally be a whale but sort of a rich person as we can say.
And then, when it's already reflected in the market that there's a green ++ showing on that token. For sure, traders and investors will be enticed for buying it and that's how they slaughter the new entries for that token. Usually, it happens to those altcoins that have been known like meme or those that are on the news and trend.

There are many pump and dump groups out there mostly on telegram and Twitter and the sad thing is that they have thousands of followers who blindly believe every thing they publish without making their own research.
The bright side is that they can only manipulate the price of coins which have no value in first place (small projects or weak team) or coins with low market cap.
Only few influencers can manipulate the price of top ranked coins.

I don't blame the whale community because it is all about the business for everyone. We can compare crypto whales to our daily physical activities and the whales we meet on daily market activities. These real life whales withhold their goods when they get information of scarcity or shortage of supply from manufacturers and this will cause price increase. They can withdraw their product from the market if they want to cause artificial increase. Crypto whales are not far from same strategy to shake the market for additional money, that is the circle of business strategy that we know.

There is no singular form of manipulation, it could happen in various ways;
• Pump and dump: here a whale buys up a large amount of a small cap asset and moves the price up, attracting investors. When more people start to buy at that price, they dump,
• News and media can also be used to manipulate trader sentiment. Social media influencers are now becoming more popular to shill projects,
• Governments can also manipulate the market with policies they adopt.

Bitcoin as the most popular and adopted  cryptocurrency is somewhat inoculated from the effects of manipulation. It's mostly unrewarding and expensive to attempt.

This is a frequent tactics the whales know how to play well, and amongst the reason people don't believe in a coin. Also this whales has other tactics they use and that is buying Influences and if they already popular they make use of their own influences. We all have this business tycoons we all admire, follow, but their books and believe their theories now this make it easy for them. They can set one up to buying a particular coin by just speaking on the potentials and they supporting the coin. Many people can actually don't won’t to research but rather choose to follow the influences of whales or crypto influencers we have seen many projects rise by such influences but only a small portion still stays relevant.

There's a lot of related activities that sounds being manipulated in cryptocurrency especially if your focus attention is to go after the ICOs on projects that you're not familiar with, your barely see the people's reputation online, no any form of conducted research on them, you didn't understand their project objective, memebers, and the information about it all, what you see online got you enticed and you opted in for them with your funds, no wonder many often refers to many altcoins as shitcoins because of things related like this, becareful, if you must invest, bitcoin is your first and major recommendation as digital currency which you should start with.

This pump and dump is very much common crypto space, even in stock market too though volatility in stock is far less than in crypto. There are few groups which promote such pump and dump and if anyone buys the pump, they are much likely to incur a big loss.
This most of the times happen in the time of altseason.

I know all the members who are into bitcoin and crypto. We heard a sentence that whales are manipulating the market. Manipulating! It was a little confusing for me when I heard this the first time, but when I actually understand what actual manipulating should look like, there are lots of members who also want to know what it might look like to see that picture. And see the game how they played it 4 hours ago. They invested in knc worth 65+ btc, so they added value to knc, but it appears that they have already sold 52+ btc worth of knc after 4 hours. They are pumping and dumping the market price. This is how they actually play the game. Just think, you saw that the KNC price went up when they invested 65+ BTC, and after hours you saw a major dump on KNC after they sold 52+ BTC worth of KNC. Now we think yes, we got an entry point because it dumped, so it will pump again. But you might not have noticed that they are still holding 13+ btc worth of knc. So he can easily dump your fund, which means you invest in the price. Then they dump it again by selling their portfolio. You will panic and sell at a loss. They will again buy and play their usual game. I hope now you understand before investing or trading how much research you should have done and don't take an entry on a sudden pump and dump moment. Thank you so much if you understand what I actually wanted to tell you. Your comments will be appreciated by me.