Man's bitcoin mining leads to police raiding his home

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Quote from: odolvlobo on October 12, 2014, 02:30:06 PM

Quote from: Eisenhower34 on October 10, 2014, 10:20:05 PM

After the case is over and all appeals have been exhausted then he should get his property back from the police, or at least the property that was not ill gotten from any crimes. (this is the law in the US and I imagine the law is similar in Canada)

Don't count on it. In the U.S., police can confiscate property suspected of being involved in illegal activity. Most likely, it will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be distributed to various police agencies. If the guy wants the stuff back (or the proceeds from the auction), he will have to file a lawsuit.

Quote from: http://www.legal-aid.org/en/ineedhelp/ineedhelp/criminalproblem/faq/howdoigetmystuffback.aspx

Property may be seized and held by the police because they believe it was used or obtained while committing a crime. The police may permanently keep or sell property if they can prove in a civil court that it was unlawfully used or obtained.

They must prove that it was unlawfully used or obtained. If they cannot prove as such then the rightful owner will get his property back. Civil suits are also often "looser pays" in regards to attorney's fees (in many jurisdictions) so if the owner files a lawsuit he will need to advance money for a lawyer but can recover those fees from the government in the event he wins

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Well i doubt this would happen in country i am in. If they would come with one reason. for sure they would not take mining rigs with them just so their action will not look wasted.
But one thing is sure, if maybe they would take those rigs, owner should say good by to them, since at time when she will get them back they will be totally obsolete and outdated.

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Quote from: Eisenhower34 on October 10, 2014, 10:20:05 PM

After the case is over and all appeals have been exhausted then he should get his property back from the police, or at least the property that was not ill gotten from any crimes. (this is the law in the US and I imagine the law is similar in Canada)

Don't count on it. In the U.S., police can confiscate property suspected of being involved in illegal activity. Most likely, it will be auctioned off and the proceeds will be distributed to various police agencies. If the guy wants the stuff back (or the proceeds from the auction), he will have to file a lawsuit.

Quote from: http://www.legal-aid.org/en/ineedhelp/ineedhelp/criminalproblem/faq/howdoigetmystuffback.aspx

Property may be seized and held by the police because they believe it was used or obtained while committing a crime. The police may permanently keep or sell property if they can prove in a civil court that it was unlawfully used or obtained.

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Quote from: polynesia on October 11, 2014, 03:05:18 AM

Quote from: BTCfan668 on October 10, 2014, 05:52:16 PM

Our country is not quite that bad, at least not yet. The real issue is that the legalism of marijuana is going to lead to a less productive workforce which means a slower growing economy

Legalization of marijuana does not imply wider use and a less productive workforce. It will only drive the drug lords out of business and result in higher tax collections.

This is not necessarily the case. In CO there have been a number of robberies at drug dispensaries that have been connected to drug gangs.

It also means that people will be able to openly carry drugs after they buy them but does not mean the people will buy drugs legally. This means that drug gangs can sell more potent drugs and does not need to worry about transporting drugs discreetly as the penalty for doing so would be removed

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Quote from: gogxmagog on September 14, 2014, 05:44:53 PM

The cops have his rigs mining away down at the station. Donut coin!

so funny,love it Grin

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Quote from: h4xx0r on October 09, 2014, 08:59:47 PM

you watch though, they'll legalize this shit and the country will be filled with zombie ass morons who are barely cognitive.

Isn't that already the case? Cheesy

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Quote from: BTCfan668 on October 10, 2014, 05:52:16 PM

Our country is not quite that bad, at least not yet. The real issue is that the legalism of marijuana is going to lead to a less productive workforce which means a slower growing economy

Legalization of marijuana does not imply wider use and a less productive workforce. It will only drive the drug lords out of business and result in higher tax collections.

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Quote from: caribbeanbitcoiner on September 14, 2014, 10:26:34 AM

No, it's a real crappy city down south. I've heard it's the meth capital of the east coast. I don't know how true that is.

Oh I see what you mean now.

Trust me, when somebody says that the town they've lived in is a shit hole, they know what what they're talking about, I don't know if this is a duplicate but it's definitely happened before, the police keep thinking that the electricity spikes from Bitcoin miners are the same as drug labs and such.

This may also be a sign that Bitcoin miners need to look at independent power supplies which can't be tracked LOL Tongue

Better anonymity just like bit coin was planned to be.

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Quote from: leopard2 on October 10, 2014, 09:54:41 AM

Quote from: caribbeanbitcoiner on September 14, 2014, 02:51:01 PM

Quote from: FloodZone on September 14, 2014, 02:34:44 PM

They took his computers??!! That's his business, quite possibly his livelihood. And they actually charged him with crimes with very little evidence - a bit of marijuana in the house. A lot of states have a low fine if it's found in someone's pockets, but that's it. His lawyer is shit, total utter shit. He should be pressing every legal button available.

Down here the police force is just a money grabber for the city. Take a look at this article, It's pretty common for the cops to do as they feel and seize anything of value.

http://www.breezejmu.org/news/article_765b428a-8ee3-11e3-8e0f-001a4bcf6878.html

"Police also seized a pair of Nike shoes, a MacBook Pro, an iPhone, a LG phone, two keys to an Audi car, an herb grinder with residue, a Playstation 3, a 32-inch TV and butane fuel."

So they couldn't find anything tasty in the fridge then?

How do you tell the difference between such pigs and common burglars anyways? Roll Eyes

After the case is over and all appeals have been exhausted then he should get his property back from the police, or at least the property that was not ill gotten from any crimes. (this is the law in the US and I imagine the law is similar in Canada)

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I hear this all the time, and today on the radio. Legalization will lead to increased use. Well it does not. Countries where it is legal have a lower use rate.
BTW I'm in Vancouver, Canada, pot central. It is literally next door and across the street and pretty much anywhere else I could look. We don't have stringent employer drug testing, open smoking everywhere, no one cares and most people aren't users. I don't use and no one in my social or professional circle does either.

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Quote from: nsimmons on October 10, 2014, 01:39:37 PM

Quote from: h4xx0r on October 09, 2014, 08:59:47 PM

Quote from: Kluge on October 09, 2014, 12:30:40 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on October 08, 2014, 11:05:13 AM

Quote from: dairy100 on September 14, 2014, 10:19:09 AM

Thats silly. spend all that money to raid someone just for an alleged plant?

u make it sound so innocuous. but it causes schizophrenia in some people

That'd have to be a pretty major study to prove it. You'd have to collect at least a thousand people people in various age, geographical, and ethnic groups, then have one group smoking and one group not, with regular, frequent drug testing. At the start and end, you'd have to then give everyone a psych exam -- this'd help remove any problems with selection bias, I'd guess.

Given how many schizophrenics are undiagnosed, I'd be more willing to bet the possible temporary paranoia of smoking exacerbates the person's eccentricities enough to lead to hospitalization which then leads to a schizophrenia diagnosis. If they put you in the psych ward to start out with in a hospital, that being on your record might influence whether or not a borderline's diagnosed, too.

It does cause schizorphrenia in some people with prolonged use. i quit smoking marijuana because i would hear evil voices. they would tell me disturbing shit too. i'll never smoke that shit again, it was fucking up my brain. i can remember that i was barely cognitive when i stopped smoking marijuana, and suffered acute social anxiety. a few years later i feel fine now. maybe a bit nervous. no more voices, no more nasty lung infections. you watch though, they'll legalize this shit and the country will be filled with zombie ass morons who are barely cognitive.

It already is, where have you been??

Our country is not quite that bad, at least not yet. The real issue is that the legalism of marijuana is going to lead to a less productive workforce which means a slower growing economy

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Quote from: h4xx0r on October 09, 2014, 08:59:47 PM

Quote from: Kluge on October 09, 2014, 12:30:40 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on October 08, 2014, 11:05:13 AM

Quote from: dairy100 on September 14, 2014, 10:19:09 AM

Thats silly. spend all that money to raid someone just for an alleged plant?

u make it sound so innocuous. but it causes schizophrenia in some people

That'd have to be a pretty major study to prove it. You'd have to collect at least a thousand people people in various age, geographical, and ethnic groups, then have one group smoking and one group not, with regular, frequent drug testing. At the start and end, you'd have to then give everyone a psych exam -- this'd help remove any problems with selection bias, I'd guess.

Given how many schizophrenics are undiagnosed, I'd be more willing to bet the possible temporary paranoia of smoking exacerbates the person's eccentricities enough to lead to hospitalization which then leads to a schizophrenia diagnosis. If they put you in the psych ward to start out with in a hospital, that being on your record might influence whether or not a borderline's diagnosed, too.

It does cause schizorphrenia in some people with prolonged use. i quit smoking marijuana because i would hear evil voices. they would tell me disturbing shit too. i'll never smoke that shit again, it was fucking up my brain. i can remember that i was barely cognitive when i stopped smoking marijuana, and suffered acute social anxiety. a few years later i feel fine now. maybe a bit nervous. no more voices, no more nasty lung infections. you watch though, they'll legalize this shit and the country will be filled with zombie ass morons who are barely cognitive.

It already is, where have you been??

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Quote from: dairy100 on September 14, 2014, 10:19:09 AM

Thats silly. spend all that money to raid someone just for an alleged plant?

The planted the weed on him 100% they ALWAYS.. ALWAYS plant something if they raid you so it's not a waste of money..

Welcome slaves to our bright and beautiful world.

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Quote from: caribbeanbitcoiner on September 14, 2014, 02:51:01 PM

Quote from: FloodZone on September 14, 2014, 02:34:44 PM

They took his computers??!! That's his business, quite possibly his livelihood. And they actually charged him with crimes with very little evidence - a bit of marijuana in the house. A lot of states have a low fine if it's found in someone's pockets, but that's it. His lawyer is shit, total utter shit. He should be pressing every legal button available.

Down here the police force is just a money grabber for the city. Take a look at this article, It's pretty common for the cops to do as they feel and seize anything of value.

http://www.breezejmu.org/news/article_765b428a-8ee3-11e3-8e0f-001a4bcf6878.html

"Police also seized a pair of Nike shoes, a MacBook Pro, an iPhone, a LG phone, two keys to an Audi car, an herb grinder with residue, a Playstation 3, a 32-inch TV and butane fuel."

So they couldn't find anything tasty in the fridge then?

How do you tell the difference between such pigs and common burglars anyways? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: h4xx0r on October 09, 2014, 08:59:47 PM

Quote from: Kluge on October 09, 2014, 12:30:40 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on October 08, 2014, 11:05:13 AM

Quote from: dairy100 on September 14, 2014, 10:19:09 AM

Thats silly. spend all that money to raid someone just for an alleged plant?

u make it sound so innocuous. but it causes schizophrenia in some people

That'd have to be a pretty major study to prove it. You'd have to collect at least a thousand people people in various age, geographical, and ethnic groups, then have one group smoking and one group not, with regular, frequent drug testing. At the start and end, you'd have to then give everyone a psych exam -- this'd help remove any problems with selection bias, I'd guess.

Given how many schizophrenics are undiagnosed, I'd be more willing to bet the possible temporary paranoia of smoking exacerbates the person's eccentricities enough to lead to hospitalization which then leads to a schizophrenia diagnosis. If they put you in the psych ward to start out with in a hospital, that being on your record might influence whether or not a borderline's diagnosed, too.

It does cause schizorphrenia in some people with prolonged use. i quit smoking marijuana because i would hear evil voices. they would tell me disturbing shit too. i'll never smoke that shit again, it was fucking up my brain. i can remember that i was barely cognitive when i stopped smoking marijuana, and suffered acute social anxiety. a few years later i feel fine now. maybe a bit nervous. no more voices, no more nasty lung infections. you watch though, they'll legalize this shit and the country will be filled with zombie ass morons who are barely cognitive.

what kind of disturbing "shit"? anything interesting?

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Quote from: h4xx0r on October 09, 2014, 08:59:47 PM

Quote from: Kluge on October 09, 2014, 12:30:40 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on October 08, 2014, 11:05:13 AM

Quote from: dairy100 on September 14, 2014, 10:19:09 AM

Thats silly. spend all that money to raid someone just for an alleged plant?

u make it sound so innocuous. but it causes schizophrenia in some people

That'd have to be a pretty major study to prove it. You'd have to collect at least a thousand people people in various age, geographical, and ethnic groups, then have one group smoking and one group not, with regular, frequent drug testing. At the start and end, you'd have to then give everyone a psych exam -- this'd help remove any problems with selection bias, I'd guess.

Given how many schizophrenics are undiagnosed, I'd be more willing to bet the possible temporary paranoia of smoking exacerbates the person's eccentricities enough to lead to hospitalization which then leads to a schizophrenia diagnosis. If they put you in the psych ward to start out with in a hospital, that being on your record might influence whether or not a borderline's diagnosed, too.

It does cause schizorphrenia in some people with prolonged use. i quit smoking marijuana because i would hear evil voices. they would tell me disturbing shit too. i'll never smoke that shit again, it was fucking up my brain. i can remember that i was barely cognitive when i stopped smoking marijuana, and suffered acute social anxiety. a few years later i feel fine now. maybe a bit nervous. no more voices, no more nasty lung infections. you watch though, they'll legalize this shit and the country will be filled with zombie ass morons who are barely cognitive.

Besides causing very bad mental illnesses, weed is a gateway drug, meaning that it leads many people into using much harder more addicting drugs

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Quote from: Kluge on October 09, 2014, 12:30:40 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on October 08, 2014, 11:05:13 AM

Quote from: dairy100 on September 14, 2014, 10:19:09 AM

Thats silly. spend all that money to raid someone just for an alleged plant?

u make it sound so innocuous. but it causes schizophrenia in some people

That'd have to be a pretty major study to prove it. You'd have to collect at least a thousand people people in various age, geographical, and ethnic groups, then have one group smoking and one group not, with regular, frequent drug testing. At the start and end, you'd have to then give everyone a psych exam -- this'd help remove any problems with selection bias, I'd guess.

Given how many schizophrenics are undiagnosed, I'd be more willing to bet the possible temporary paranoia of smoking exacerbates the person's eccentricities enough to lead to hospitalization which then leads to a schizophrenia diagnosis. If they put you in the psych ward to start out with in a hospital, that being on your record might influence whether or not a borderline's diagnosed, too.

It does cause schizorphrenia in some people with prolonged use. i quit smoking marijuana because i would hear evil voices. they would tell me disturbing shit too. i'll never smoke that shit again, it was fucking up my brain. i can remember that i was barely cognitive when i stopped smoking marijuana, and suffered acute social anxiety. a few years later i feel fine now. maybe a bit nervous. no more voices, no more nasty lung infections. you watch though, they'll legalize this shit and the country will be filled with zombie ass morons who are barely cognitive.

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Quote from: Kluge on October 09, 2014, 12:30:40 PM

Quote from: Bitcoin Magazine on October 08, 2014, 11:05:13 AM

Quote from: dairy100 on September 14, 2014, 10:19:09 AM

Thats silly. spend all that money to raid someone just for an alleged plant?

u make it sound so innocuous. but it causes schizophrenia in some people

That'd have to be a pretty major study to prove it. You'd have to collect at least a thousand people people in various age, geographical, and ethnic groups, then have one group smoking and one group not, with regular, frequent drug testing. At the start and end, you'd have to then give everyone a psych exam -- this'd help remove any problems with selection bias, I'd guess.

Given how many schizophrenics are undiagnosed, I'd be more willing to bet the possible temporary paranoia of smoking exacerbates the person's eccentricities enough to lead to hospitalization which then leads to a schizophrenia diagnosis. If they put you in the psych ward to start out with in a hospital, that being on your record might influence whether or not a borderline's diagnosed, too.

I think that weed use does lead to an increased level of paranoia. I don't think the level of paranoia would lead to a person being put in a psych ward if they otherwise do not have a mental illness. I would argue that a good portion of the paranoia from weed use is the consequences of getting caught with/using it.

I have however read studies that do link an increased risk of schizophrenia to use of weed

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bah at the cops wasting time and money... I have also worried about how my added electricity would look. They prob kept the guys computers to try and get him on something so it wasnt a complete bust. Cops don't know what asics are so they snagged his units to see if something was illegal about them...

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I did have the city show up at my door asking if I was running a grow op. I have 7 gpu rigs. A year early they were using warrentless searches under some safety inspection provision and then charging for the inspection while an officer watched from off property. Our courts struck that process down, now we get city workers and a 6 month delay in the utility bill while there is an "investigation"

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/man-s-home-invaded-by-government-search-of-fish-tanks-1.1243742

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