Mappers vs Packers. Why Most People Don't Get Bitcoin - page 2.

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Quote from: cbeast on October 24, 2011, 06:17:23 PM

Reifications, all.

Indeed. All psychology is codified abstraction.

Quote from: cbeast on October 24, 2011, 06:17:23 PM

Unless you can quantify and make predictions either discretely or statistically, it is religious hokum.

Indeed. You can. Let me go camping with a group of people and after 24 hours, I will give their Jungian preferences far better than statistical chance. Most anyone even vaguely familiar with all types can as well.

It's been demonstrated to you here. I predicted that the majority here would be N. Though a minority of the general population, all participants of this small selection were N. Would you claim that we've pre-selected for N results? Perhaps S types would be afraid to post a contrarian result? It's possible.

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

Reifications, all. Unless you can quantify and make predictions either discretely or statistically, it is religious hokum.

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You can't divide the world into binary cubicles, no. But the Jungian dichotomies are real, albeit imperfect. With a bit of experience with these, you can probably guess your family members, friends, ex girlfriends, and coworkers even before they take the test. No one wants to be put in a box, but the questions are all related to one's own preferences. You can resist the findings all you want, but people do perceive and interact with the world in fairly predictable habitual ways.

Throw an extreme -NTP in the same room with an -SFJ, bring up religion, politics, or finance, and you won't get an argument. You'll just have two bewildered individuals with little to discuss.

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I prefer the term 'sensing' for packing.

People don't fall into categories like this. When sitting in front of a computer I tend to be a mapper. If I do Tai Chi or dancing I tend to sense.

There's also a complex relationship between the 2 I don't understand. That is, to turn off self thought mapping answers can sometimes just come out of the blue. The drawback of course is that sensing can't be social so you loose all the power of the network.

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ENTJ
Extraverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
11 75 1 22

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seems like we all have high N values.

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Quote from: cbeast on October 07, 2011, 03:54:33 PM

Maybe I'm not understanding this hypothesis. I tend to see the world leaders as mostly highly efficient predatorial packers. The few mappers in the world have to be wary of them. Mappers tend to have complex ideas and mappers tend to have loud voices proclaiming their knowledge. Try watching a creation vs evolution debate sometime. Our civilization is frequently hindered by distractions by packers with things like war and corporate sponsored sporting events.

If you can assume that not being visible is a good idea as well, it falls into place. The supposed ruler of a country could be a packer, while the real decision makers are not. A mapper knows that life is about shaping the world according to your beliefs and not about reptilian satisfaction or socially perceived success. Not that I agree with the theory but this makes sense in the context.

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Falkvinge? The idiot who (claimed to have) used all his savings to buy up Bitcoin, and then backpedaled and now admits to unloading all of it? Assuming he ever had much in the first place? That Falkvinge?

Quote from: FreeTrade on October 06, 2011, 01:11:24 PM

The Mappers/Packers theory holds that there are basically two ways to think about the world.

The first, Mapping, involves creating a logical model about the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapper_orientation
- A person with mapping tendencies receives new information; facts, techniques, abilities, and undergoes a process of incorporating the new information into a personally developed and self-adaptive model of the world.

The second, Packing, relies on pattern matching. A person with this orientation tries to match a new theory or situation to a previous one where there are known 'correct' answers. Most people are packers.

To really appreciate Bitcoin, you've got to have a good working mental model of what money is, how cryptography works, and the shortcomings of current online methods of payments. This combination is rare - especially understanding money (hence the famous saying "Only two people really understand money and they disagree.") You can see in the writings of someone like Falkvinge, he really understands all of these things. Mappers who do really get very exicted about Bitcoin.

To a packer though - it's pretty simple. Bitcoin looks just like a Ponzi scheme or a Pyramid scheme. Lots of money going in, no real work being done, nothing real being produced, early adopters getting rich. All the hallmarks are there. If it looks like a horse, and smells like a horse . . . This kind of thinking is remarkably widespread and usually effective - but is never sufficient to understand a radically different system like Bitcoin.

Full Description of the Mapper/Packer Theory here
http://the-programmers-stone.com/the-original-talks/day-1-thinking-about-thinking/

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Interesting, our first F. But still, so far we're all N. That's statistically quite significant! Test your friends (or your enemies Cheesy

), you'll see just how unusual that really is. You'll also come to appreciate why so few grok bitcoin.

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ENFP

Extraverted Intuitive Feeling Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %

1 75 25 33

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INTJ/P

I get 50/50 on the last letter.

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Quote from: MaxSan on October 22, 2011, 09:18:09 AM

ENTJ - very high.. i cant rememebr its been a while. but im very definitive to all sides.. im an odd one Wink

"I don't care to sit by the window on an airplane. If I can't control it, why look?"

"I dont wany to trade my bitcoins for another currency. I have money in my pocket, if i sell my bitcoins i wont have any of those. simple."

eh, Yup. ENTJ

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ENTJ - very high.. i cant rememebr its been a while. but im very definitive to all sides.. im an odd one Wink

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

If you can't dazzle them with intellect, baffle them with bullshit. There is good money in pseudosciences like astrology, NLP, this nonsense. I'm not saying they are not useful, they are simply a crutch like any other religion. Instead of following pop psych, simply learn all you can and discover your own philosophy of life.

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Quote from: Vladimir on October 22, 2011, 12:03:58 AM

It is my unproven (intuitive) hypothesis is that INTP proportion at least among early adopters and the second wave (those of us who joined the fry in Dec 2010-Mar 2011) is higher than 1-5%.

I wouldn't think I/E is significant, it might only indicate who talks more than who walks.

Quote from: Vladimir on October 22, 2011, 12:03:58 AM

I think lower numbers for E and T mean that you could have been less than honest answering relevant questions ,or questions suck, or less likely your personality is not falling clearly into either camp.

One can be quite social but still like to get away to be alone, think, enjoy one's own company and projects.

As for T/F, it was (not) Mark Twain who once said, "for the trivial things in life, you must think them through logically, and you will live a long successful life. But for the most important decisions in your life, you must listen to your heart, and you will die happy."

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Quote from: adamstgBit on October 22, 2011, 12:31:10 AM

E 11% N 88% T 25% P 67% ------- Total 191%

what do these figures mean???

i tested INTJ ... but in collage i'm pretty sure i tested INTP ... have i changed?? LOL

If you'd post your percentages I could tell you (though not more than the descriptive links). Each represents your own (vague) preferences on diametric scales. So in the numbers above, I'm only mildly extroverted, 11% from neutral. In the next case (Sensing/Intuition), I'm intuitive as a polar extreme (88% unbalanced Cheesy

) with no sense in the world.

It's normal to change. Particularly if your preferences were not so strong (less than 50%). I could be introverted on any given day, but I'm unlikely to ever to get some sense

Try these, maybe you can relate? (Holliday, you'd likely be closer to the first)
http://typelogic.com/intj.html
http://typelogic.com/intp.html

From Wiki: TJ types tend to appear to the world as logical. ... for introverts, the J or P indicates their auxiliary function. Introverts tend to show their dominant function outwardly only in matters "important to their inner worlds." For example:

Because ENTJ types are extraverts, the J indicates that their dominant function is their preferred judging function (extraverted thinking). ENTJ types introvert their auxiliary perceiving function (introverted intuition). The tertiary function is sensing and the inferior function is introverted feeling.

Because INTJ types are introverts, the J indicates that their auxiliary function is their preferred judging function (extraverted thinking). INTJ types introvert their dominant perceiving function (introverted intuition). The tertiary function is feeling, and the inferior function is extraverted sensing.

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Quote from: adamstgBit on October 22, 2011, 12:31:10 AM

i tested INTJ

but in collage i'm pretty sure i tested INTP

have i changed?? LOL

Exactly the opposite of my experience.

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i tested INTJ

but in collage i'm pretty sure i tested INTP

have i changed?? LOL

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from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTP :

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Keirsey referred to INTPs as Architects, one of the four types belonging to the temperament he called the Rationals. INTPs are one of the rarest types, accounting for about 1–5% of the population.[2][3][4]

It is my unproven (intuitive) hypothesis is that INTP proportion at least among early adopters and the second wave (those of us who joined the fry in Dec 2010-Mar 2011) is higher than 1-5%.

As for the numbers in the above post. It is result of the questionarie indicating your MB type. The percent mean how strong every given trait is (level of confidence of detection). I think lower numbers for E and T mean that you could have been less than honest answering relevant questions ,or questions suck, or less likely your personality is not falling clearly into either camp.

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Quote from: netrin on October 21, 2011, 11:23:51 PM

Genjix was referring to Packers and Mappers, not Myers-Briggs nor Jung. I'd be very curious to know (most) everyone's preferences:

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

E 11%
N 88%
T 25%
P 67%

E 11%
N 88%
T 25%
P 67%
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Total 191%

what do these figures mean???

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Genjix was referring to Packers and Mappers, not Myers-Briggs nor Jung. I'd be very curious to know (most) everyone's preferences:

http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

E 11%
N 88%
T 25%
P 67%

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