Topic: Martin Armstrong Discussion - page 180. (Read 647176 times)

I would say anyone who supports bitcoin or anything blockchain related falls into that category.  For instance, bitcon transactions are not blinded and the system has built-in middlemen (transaction validators/miners).  If I have a gold or silver coin on my table, I'm not required to ask anyone permission or pay anyone extortion fees in order to be able to spend or trade with it.  Bitcon is the exact opposite.  In order to be able to do anything with a bitcon (since transactions aren't blinded), I'm not only required to ask permission to a centralized transaction validator, but also required to pay extortion fees to them (which they can artificially raise to the moon) to do anything with it.

Taxation is a similar issue in the area of theft/extortion:


For the religious nuts who keep posting in this thread (Coincube), Jesus is essentially defining forced taxation by the state as extortion and theft - paying tribute to a false god (Caesar).  So if bitcon is not only a permissioned system (from transactions not being blinded and transaction validators being designed to centralize), but also has a taxation and extortion system built-in, then you should probably not be using it.

Update on whether the Zionists who did 9/11 are involved the Las Vegas massacre:

I agree. Looks like $8000+ may be the top. It’s a phase transition, so can’t terminate until my nose is bleeding profusely. Probably correct from $8000 back down to $5000s, then the altcoins will moon. Then later in 2018 perhaps comes the collapse into a crypto winter.

Double bottom at 5,6 k.
There is strong support and volume.
Selling now would be very questionable.
Wait for november...

...

Excellent email to Armstrong there Mr. .sh.

I wonder if he would read it?  Busy he must be.  On the other hand, he has to have read a LOT to come up with his cycle theories and get all that history under his belt.

Bet he would be an interesting dinner partner over a leisurely steak!

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Re buying BTC now, just this morning a (female, about 52) cousin just asked me to help her get into it.

Perhaps we have now reached that "Shoeshine Boy" point, perhaps a short term Sell at least for now?

Bitcoin is going much higher over the long-term, but there will likely be another Mt. Gox severity crash (perhaps not in November though, maybe early 2018), and I already provided a link to my thread which explains what that crisis could possibly be.


Discussion continued.

Also this from James A. Donald, the first person who communicated with Satoshi on the mailing list where Bitcoin was announced:

Okay I decided to email him:


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Subject: Expert info about Bitcoin that Martin doesn’t know
From:    "Shelby Moore" <[email protected]>
Date:    Fri, October 13, 2017 8:36 pm
To:      [email protected]
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Hi Martin,

I want to explain some EXTREMELY IMPORTANT facts—which you may not be
aware of—about cryptocurrencies and blockchains (or more generally
“decentralized ledgers” because for example my altcoin design has no
blocks and currency is not the only use of a decentralized consensus on
time-stamps).

I called your receptionist at your Wilmington, Delaware office and asked
what is the best way to get an important message to you and I was told to
email you, and if I really felt it was necessary I could follow up with a
short voice message. I stopped emailing you some years ago, because I know
you’re busy, and my emails were getting more and more “deranged”
(discombobulated, etc) because of my illness. I’m a programmer and
autodidactic polymath similar to yourself. My illness was finally
diagnosed as gut TB in January 2017. Didn’t even know TB could be present
in the gut with no cough. So that explains my autoimmunity decline of the
past several years. Now I’m battling liver and endocrine damage from that
ordeal. I started following your writings when you were unjustly
incarcerated and I have worked tirelessly to correct incorrect information
about you on the web. I even for example recently slapped down the 160 IQ
creator of the term “open source” when he slandered you about Civil War
history:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22683719

I had in the back of mind that one day I will meet you at one of your
conferences, but I had not had the time nor the funds lately (several year
debilitating illness devastated my career and finances). But I presume it
will happen eventually (because for example I will launch a very important
altcoin soon). So I figured we could talk in person at some future
juncture, about the things we agree on and our differing perspectives in
other areas if ever you had the time. But I presume you’re a very busy
person as I am also. So let me shoot off this email to you with some
important information.

I am one of the foremost experts in this area known by other such experts
(but my name is not highly publicized) which I will document for you
below:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/shelby-moore-iii-b31488b0

https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@anonymint/anonymint-from-bitcointalk-introducing-myself

http://steemit.com/@anonymint

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16925985
(list of all my past usernames on that discussion site)

My current username on the venerable Bitcointalk discussion site is
Hyperme.sh. I recently defended your warning about Bitcoin and governments
w.r.t. “black money” or the money laundering “crime”:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22488770

However, you’re failing to understand that the private keys for
cryptocurrency can never be destroyed by the government. It’s even more
difficult than the government confiscating physical gold from every
household. How will they find all those private keys! Impossible. Thus
cryptocurrency is like an endospore bacteria that can’t ever be
permanently killed. It will if necessary lay dormant and come back to life
as soon as there is a communication channel for the decentralized ledger
to begin functioning again. There will exist a plurality of copies of the
state of the decentralized ledger spread out all over the global. The
governments can play Whac-A-Mole but they can never shut it down unless
they turn off the Internet, but they can’t turn off the Internet because
their own systems rely on it. And even if they did turn off the Internet,
hackers have short wave radio and even [electronic drone
pigeons](https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22655189).

While it’s true that the national governments can shut down physical
commerce within their borders, they’re powerless to shut down commerce
which lives entirely in the virtual realm, such as everything related to
information technology which trades entirely on the Internet, especially
that which is done by nanotransactions. Is the government going to track
down every sex chat on WeChat? China can’t even stop it, as the people
have become wise enough to use VPNs and even joke phrases which have
obfuscated double meanings so the thought police are impotent. The
national governments will try, but they will fail to regulate the
Knowledge Age. They will kill the industrial age and everything tangible,
but that is because the Industrial Age is dying. I had a series of blogs
about this phenomenon which you seemed to also write about, but I was
writing about it before I ever read you write about this epochal
transition in technology:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3799720

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html

https://steemit.com/science/@anonymint/the-golden-knowledge-age-is-rising

Now you’re sort of correct that up until now the predominant use case of
cryptocurrency is speculation in cryptocurrency. But decentralized ledgers
are diversifying. For example, Steemit put blogging on a blockchain, so
that no one can be censored. I’m working on applying this to
disintermediating every centralized website on the Internet, as I plan to
overturn Facebook, Github, Reddit, Wikipedia (so they can’t print lies
about you!), etc..

You’re missing about on a epochal transformation that is perhaps as earth
shattering as the Internet. It is like the Second Computer Revolution
applied to networks. Do not miss this train.

I know so many technological details about for example Byzantine agreement
versus probabilistic Byzantine fault tolerant consensus that I can't
possibly put it all in this email. For example, review my explanation of a
massive miner attack coming against the SegWit “fork” of Bitcoin:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2259054.0;viewResults

(archived:  http://archive.is/cQTM1)

The above discussion is highly detailed and will introduce you to just how
presumably ignorant you likely are about the myriad of deep details
required to be able to understand what is really going on in our sector.
As you often said, experience is the best teacher. I have been doing
blockchain research non-stop since I wrote the following essay in March
2013 about Bitcoin — The Digital Kill Switch:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-the-digital-kill-switch-160612

Btw, I was investing in silver before that, in fact buying Comex bars
during the 2008/9 crash and minting rounds and shipping them to @rpietila
in Finland for example. In January 2013, @rpietila asked me if he should
sell $100,000 of silver and buy BTC at $10 and I concurred. He became a
multi-millionaire during the 2013 run to $1200 (but apparently he lost it
all since then). I was not able to invest because my illness had
devastated my life and I had lost $75,000 in 2012 because I was not
following you yet closely and I followed some idiot promoter Graham
Summers into shorting China. So it was around August 2012 that I started
to notice you were calling for a long-term bull market in the DJIA. But it
was some months until I understood better your theme and by that time it
was too late for my former depleted savings. Any way, I will earn it back
as an altcoin programmer soon. I’m no longer a silverbug. I learned a lot
over the past decade. Before that I was basically just a programmer with
an interest in marketing and economics.

Tangentially, my theory is Mossad created Bitcoin as a creative
destruction to undermine the national central banks and bring about their
destiny in Revelation. I offer some technical evidence and arguments that
Satoshi planned it out this way in advance (you’re going to have to dig
into my many posts to find all my arguments which are spread around,
similar to your blogging style):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22604852

I hope you have updated yourself on the evidence that Mossad did 9/11. It
is much more compelling now than it was when I heard about that theory
several years ago:

https://steemit.com/politics/@anonymint/israel-s-mossad-did-9-11

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22399270

In particular, I want you to understand that recent research has modeled
that Bitcoin can’t converge to consensus as the revenue from transaction
fees becomes more significant than the revenue from protocol dictated
block rewards (and I’m presuming you understand some of the rudimentary
technical details about how block chain mining works):

https://gist.github.com/shelby3/e0c36e24344efba2d1f0d650cd94f1c7

Some further discussion of that:

http://archive.is/8TEFu#selection-20289.0-20289.23
(also
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22889412)

Note my religious or philosophical beliefs are nuanced:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22430869

(you will need to read one or two pages of discussion between myself and
the USA doctor @CoinCube to get the full Gist of my existential
philosophical stance on religion)

I think one major difference between your and my world views has been that
you do not believe there is any elite in control, and while I agree with
you because I understand the inviolable Second Law of Thermodynamics, I
believe the facts will show that the Zionists have a trend going on
towards world domination in terms of the world of finance. I would be
interested to delve into this deeper however. I believe you’re correct
that the cycles are inviolable, but I also think during the current cycle,
the Zionists become very strong before they ultimately fail as written in
Revelation.

I’m not claiming for example that the Ukrainians did not have a real
revolution or that your predictions about rising separatism is not correct
and not due to a cycle. No. What I am saying is this cycle is aligned with
the rise of the diabolical Zionist plan. Again this requires deep
discussion which we can’t achieve in email. We could easily misunderstand
the details and nuances of each others’ arguments if only in email.

I want to thank you for all that you do. And we’re in this fight on your
side for benefit of humankind. God bless.

P.S. I’m available on Skype: shelby.h.moore.iii From there other contact
information can be provided if anyone wishes to talk with me. Again I am a
very experienced programmer as well, but I’m not particularly
kwowledgeable about machine learning although I did some autodidact
research on A.I. in the 1980s.

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Yes start taking some profits because November could be a wild month:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22961085
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22968401

But we may have one more move up in BTC and leg down in alts (or at least BCH). Altcoins should moon again as BTC slows down.

Also another Mt.Gox severity crash could come by perhaps 2018:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.22951544

As for the DJIA, seems to be similar to BTC and starting to moon but probably will need a correction before really blasting off to 38,000. Armstrong even wrote surprisingly that the DJIA could potentially extend out until 2032 as a bull market but that surprised me. Was that a typo? Did he mean 2023? Confused me. How can DJIA go into a phase transition upwards towards 38,000 yet sustain that until 2032. Makes no sense.


You’ve been warned many times that gold is likely going to SLINGSHOT crash but there’s no point in mentioning it because you buy high any way. I know you always buy and never sell. So no point in discussing the price. You just buy and do not look at the price.

I told you when BTC was back in the low $2000s or high $1000s that BTC would go to $5100. I told you back at $650 to buy, buy, buy. I told you to buy LTC at $6 (and I told everyone to sell at $80 and repurchase in the low $40s).

Armstrong still does not understand that governments can not shutdown Bitcoin, just like governments can not shut down an endospore bacteria. Private keys can hide and reappear any where there is a communications network. The government can play Whac-A-Mole but they can never kill cryptocurrency. Somebody please email Armstrong! Also Mossad created Bitcoin to destroy the nation-state’s central banks and bring about a one-world reserve currency which they will control because research models that proof-of-work must become centralized as miner revenue from transaction fees become more significant than block reward (find my links on prior pages of this thread).

OROBTC
Hyperme.sh


I was expecting signal of some corrections in markets but everything did well today....BTC continues to rise.
DOW / NASDAQ up.  If everyone is bullish -- perhaps I should exit now yes?

Agreed we strive to understand how to live in harmony and not just destroy each other, but putting ideologues in charge with their aliasing error as follows meaning we get Frankenstein horrific outcomes:




Instead we must allow the free market to evaluate and adjust. We make consultations with others in our chosen society. People make personal judgements based on their local observations. But ideologues who think they have the absolute truth are evil. Just because we know of God, doesn’t mean we are God.

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Gold will be back in due course (probably, but hey, I don't really know in an environment of $5500 BTC).  Certainly cryptos lately have been sucking all the liquidity right out of the room that used to go to gold.

Asset hyperinflation.

It's not that difficult, fiat is now being trashed with ever greater speed .... only poor old gold is being manipulated into stagnation by the fiat controllers.

English is not my first language - so I apologize in advance for any errors in below statement or making no sense.

My own opinion and I mean no disrespect to anyone - there definitely is a right and wrong.
One may say that depends on ones circumstances and his/her choices - Which is true...but their so called RIGHT CHOICE today (which maybe actually is Wrong) they may lack foresight on its future consequences...which may arrive year later -- which they may not attribute to the choice they made one year back.    The entire choice (Right/ Wrong) depends on ones INTENTION.   If you have right/wrong intention? 

 I am here ( I know the current corrupt Capitalism system is messed up ) yet knowing this I am participating --- I am alive, but with no purpose to life aside from my own self-interest not of yours - I want to make money - I can invest in OIL -- knowing someones warring over that oil.  i.e like the blood diamond.   But hey - I just want money and Im not the one doing war...I'm here safe and sound. 

In our current system of secularism-based , we believe that life has no purpose aside from eat, party, money etc because there is no reflection (THINKING enacted) on after life / right / wrong morals....- today we have many things happening out in open that were banned decades prior.  Perhaps the attitude is there is no accountability after death, so that if I get away with anything here in this world - I have gotten away -- Hitler has gotten away or Cheney will get away - them Zionist will get away. 

Yet getting away doesn't really matter, because all have to depart(die) some point anyway.   And if he doesn't get away with doing that which gives self pleasure - which society holds to be an offence - it still doesn't matter,  death is still staring from future.  So what, if it comes sooner rather than later...I will live to my fullest -- with no accountability.   So this is what it is.  Because to most there is no thought on after-life or after-accountability.  who cares....be the wolf of Wall street.

Sorry for my gibberish.


 

BCH is Satoshi’s Bitcoin. SegWit is the fake that can be stolen:

On that note, we can fully agree, without trying to further discuss the other differences in our philosophical outlook. So maybe that is a good place for us to end up for now. God bless.

Yes his position on the teachings of Jesus match what you say your position is. Exactly the same almost word for word. The rest of his worldview presumably follows from that core belief.

Yet from this shared truth you diverge into very different ethical systems.

This extreme divergence despite starting from the same starting beliefs should be if nothing else grounds for deep reflection.

We cannot escape or avoid making judgments in this world. Given our flawed natures we must make them with humility and always strive to avoid hypocrisy acknowledging that ultimate judgement will be rendered by God. If you have not yet had a chance I do recommend reading the biblical commentary on this topic I linked to previously.

Matthew 7:1: The Most Misunderstood Bible Verse
http://thediscerningsheep.blogspot.com/2014/12/matthew-71-most-misunderstood-bible.html?m=1

I agree that we keep going in circles in our discussion. I will make this my final reply and give you the last word.

 

You claim so, but then why are you still still sending redundant Bruce Charlton crap which reads like a laundry list of your judgements of why I have/had an chronic illness (the blog you linked about atheism), etc.?

I do not like this dogmatic chap Bruce Charlton.

He goes on and on as if he so sure of himself … passing judgements on others … It’s as if you did not read what I wrote about the Bible says only God shall pass these judgements. Romans says basically societies should be just, not judges of universal ideological truth.

In 1 Samuel 8, the Lord says:


Does Charlton really think that anyone he criticizes is really going to listen to him    

He is not presenting any information which I did not already know.

Do you really think his Nihilism blog has any applicability to me. I am not basing my principles on satisfying my feelings. I explained my principles to you but you somehow you still judge me and conclude I have insufficient principles (i.e. you conclude I‘m conflicted but that is not what I wrote). We keep going in circles in our discussion. I realize you probably think you’re trying to help me learn and save me from destruction, i.e. you seem to be acting out Charlton’s call to action (but I highly disagree with his odorous judgemental style of evangelizing). I certainly have gone through phases where I thought I needed to wake people up about certain matters and employed blunt calls for self-introspection, so I am not claiming I am any better. The society is transforming but I doubt any of that judgemental speech will do anything other than incite his cohorts to become more aggressive in their sin of blaming others.

Afaics, his blog on Jesus is repeating what I wrote to you.

I agree with your comments about the little white church on the hill. Rather then trying to make the world perfect and striving externally I believe we should be striving internally and trying to make ourselves perfect a task we can only work towards not achieve.

It seems to me that there is an inherent conflict in you between the center of who you are and the logical worldview you have embraced thus your comments of blissful ignorance above. One potential resolution to this conflict is to find a way to rebuild the logic in such a way that it no longer conflicts with the essence of self but whether this is possible or not is something only you can determine.

Thank you for the invitation to continue but I have contributed what I can to this conversation. Here are four very short essays from Bruce Charlton on this topic that I think you would enjoy reading. I have found his writing to be insightful and he is someone who I believe has attained a higher degree of wisdom in these matters then myself.

Being a Good Person is not enough - not here and not now...
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/08/being-good-person-is-not-enough-not.html?m=1

How many Christians are atheists? A test...
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/08/how-many-christians-are-atheists-test.html?m=1

Taking modern nihilism seriously
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/09/taking-modern-nihilism-seriously.html?m=1

The Method of Jesus - So absolutely right; but why so indirect?
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-method-of-jesus-so-absolutely-right.html?m=1


 

Ít’s okay with me if you continue.

I hope you note with the massacres increasing in frequency in the USA and North Korea ready to test a nuclear missile which can reach the continental USA, that the issues I raise are becoming ever more relevant.

The massacres are not due to inadequate awareness of absolute truths and morals. Rather it is ideological subversion and power vacuums which are at the root cause.


Incorrect logic (or comprehension) again.

I said that the only basis we can observe for predictive truth is relative (often discordant or mostly orthogonal) partial orders. Thus the determination of what is criminal is relative to the society you can form with others. Whomever is able to successfully operate a society that allows murdering each other at whim, then please by all means demonstrate its sustainability if some so desire.

You can’t just go do any evil you want, if others aren’t willing to join. You’ll be destroyed. Natural limitations and self-destruction will limit the evil that can survive, biblically even the AntiChrist destroys itself.

The point is that nature doesn’t have our arbitrary biases about our belief of what is true. For nature all that is true is what actually survives.

I am confident you will discover that societies not founded on more-or-less Christian principles tend to be quite dysfunctional and self-destructive.

But I also think you will discover in your analysis of history that societies founded on humble Christians who don’t go trying to evangelize everyone and mind their own business praying in their small white rural churches or in their homes, are much more industrious and resilient than those societies which consume themselves with Crusades and Zionism and other forms of ideological conquest and subversion.


You just can’t fathom allowing people to having the freedom to experiment with forming their own societies. Afaics, your ilk (cohorts) are determined to ram your absolute truths down everyone’s throat (presumably relying on the collective State as the proxy to do the thieving and war on your behalf), because apparently you’re so fearful that if you don’t then some person some where might be trapped in a society that is abusive. So go to war and take all their virgins for yourself. But do understand it’s war. Stop pretending you’re the good guy who is above sin. Rather try to understand that this world is imperfect and even to battle sin you must sin. The lust for universal truth is an insecurity and a refusal to acknowledge the teaching of Jesus.


It doesn’t matter even if you have a million priests agree with you. My relationship with my creator and my beliefs is not the property of third parties.

My study of the Bible indicates to me that we are only to leave the judging to the omniscient one, other than the Romans chapter which is explaining that we are subject to laws when we choose to live in a society.

But remember what Jesus said, to come walk from town to town with nothing. And he railed against the orthodoxy and said he came bearing a sword. Jesus was all about the substance of love, understanding, flexibility, and not the horrors of orthodoxy and ideological war.

Jesus ate with the sinners.

If sin is so repulsive to you, then how are you able to look in the mirror?

Sin is part of our existence here on earth. Jesus lead by example teaching us not to be repulsed but to prioritize understanding.

You’re practically forcing me to preach, but I did not want to.

I just did not want to be judged by you in your belief system (yet that forces me to judge you in my belief system, sigh … sin is unavoidable).


P.S. I will say it again, what I’m trying to avoid is the slippery slope of humans falling into the trap of thinking they’re capable of enforcing absolute truths on each other. This is a power vacuum that enables evil in the guise of a desire to reduce evil. We’re simply incapable of arriving at any form of perfected total order and it’s actually necessary for we wouldn’t exist if we could (we’d already be equivalent to the omniscient one where spacetime is not quantized and nothing is uncertain, thus quite boring if you ask me). In return for this predicament, we receive an entertaining smorgasbord of uncertainty called life. Perhaps I should have entitled my philosophy, Avoiding Boredom in Heaven. Seriously though, we’re incapable of comprehending what might be the benefits of such an existence where uncertainty is impossible because omniscience and perfect have no exceptions.

I think what separates me from a Nihilist is do really in my heart want to believe humans can be adorable and we can have love and happiness all over. My logic however doesn’t let me too far with that emotion as perhaps it does for others. I try to enjoy my adulation for humanity in the moment, and set the big picture stuff aside. Blissful ignorance.

The following isn’t driven by morals but by the innate human spirit and the love of community:


Don’t you remember our discussion some years ago about the little white church on the hill. I think you still do not understand the distinction I’m trying to make. Those spend their time trying to focus on making the world perfect create ideological power vacuums for evil bastards to leverage. Those who focus inwards on their communities and love ones do not inflict their ideology on others.


EDIT: What is really odd is I wrote about Mossad and 9/11 on the same day of the Las Vegas massacre but presciently. I accidentally wrote the 666th reply on the EOS massive scam thread recently.

The Zionists have their false flag fingerprints on the Las Vegas massacre. They’re trying to force Trump deeper into war. Also an attempt to foist more control in USA. Maybe the conspiracy chatter is deception, but it does make one think:

Hyperme.sh

Thank you for your response.

As I said above I believe your world view suffers from ex falso quodlibet.

It allows you to redefine almost any any evil act any crime as acceptable and simply part of the diversity of choices or survival of the fittest in action.

The worst kind of human evil is evil that deploys sin and crime to strengthen itself at the expense of the innocent and weak. As far as I can tell your philosophy withholds any judgement on such evil and perhaps condones it if successful.

I believe your philosophy to be terribly flawed and cannot personally reconcile it with the biblical principles you also claim to follow. However, I am not an authority on these matters so I would refer you to someone who is or better yet a period of deep religious reflection.

I have said everything I wish to say on this topic. I will leave you with this excerpt from The Way of God by Moshe Chaim Luzzatto who wrote on this topic around 1734.