Topic: Martinm's rating of ASIC Companies [BitSyncom VS ASICMiner VS BFL] (Read 3151 times)

Actually they are Litecoin haters. They want to push all the GPU farms over the LTC border to crash the party.

Originally they were called "Btt Fckin Litcoin", which was already gay (no offense) and obvious, so they changed it to "ButterFly Labs", which is still gay (no offense - notice the use of the word butter) but less obvious.

^This 
BFL has been a miners best friend.

It's true!  BFL is the best friend to those who can actually mine in any way, shape, or form.

If all that 'customer' money BFL has tied up were in productive use actually mining anything it would be a different set of dynamics for those who are happily hashing away and making money right now (or over the last 8 months for that matter.)

Keep up the good work BFL.  I didn't expect to be mining any time soon, but I got a wild hair and got one of those tiny 'Block Eruptor' USB miners-on-a-stick from a real company who might actually be able to deliver some day before the earth stops cooling.  I'm just glad that so many BFL 'customers' are now waiting patiently so that my pissy little 300 Mh/sec may actually do something fun.

Why do you think that?  I have heard there are on the order of 10,000 units on order from BFL.  And they have a massive wafer order in process.

and that's the best way to make money : take tens of thousands of orders, far undercut competitors in price, and absolutely FLOOD the market so nobody can remake their cost in investment within 5 years

BFL just ran into that snag that they can't make a working product!  whoops.

The scores above show you how distorted reality is for a shill.

No kidding. A 7? Hes crazy.

It was post #1.

It's a ruse by the BFL bashers: have an anon overcompliment BFL in a not so insidious way so everybody "uncloset" him and thus, by association, makes BFL look bad.

EZ123

I'm just wondering how this thread got so long without any of the typical BFL bashers chiming in with their opinions and "facts"

this topic should be locked

Clear to see this guy has a hand wrapped around BFL's .... and is furiously vibrating

And he wrote it in plain english... Well, i enjoyed anyway giving marks on fake parameters...

On a more general way, Avalon and ASICMINER are good if you trusted them back in September last year, now you either get an overpriced product that will never ROI or you don't get anything at all.
BFL is everyone's guess, i don't think they will be able to ship in mass anytime soon, but if they clear their backlog before the end of the year, maybe one could consider to purchase from them.

I think BFL can't even really be judged until they actually, really, for-real start shipping products to customers (at least 10 units a day).

And  I don't mean win-a-big-shipping-bet shipping. Or shipping as advertising shipping (to bloggers). Shipping to people who paid for products that were supposed to be available many months ago. When will this happen? Even I thought it was going to be early May...

No, I don't think he does. In fact I think the OP wants not to have scores. Of course in this numbers obsessed forum, that hope is pointless and in vain.

Do you want my scores? Ok... Will be funny.

Avalon

- Public Relations:  2 (because they update you once a month if they wish to)
- Customer Support: 2 (there is no customer support, you have to beg to have a reply from them)
- Terms & Conditions: 1 ("no bullshit terms and agreements")
- Price/Performance of Products: 8 (they have a good product for this market, good and reliable)
- Delivery reliability: 3 (they only shipped batch 1, their holiday+new smt line+sickness killed the batch 2/3 ROI, it will be negative)
- Assets of company: dunnow, i think that they are already working at their 28nm miner and most probably will be the winner of this races for the coming time


ButterflyLabs

- Public Relations:  6 (josh is a troller, shouldn't have never been the public face of a company. At least Yufi doesn't reply at all.)
- Customer Support: 8 (they have a ticket system, a phone number and they actually reply to you. Amazing!)
- Terms & Conditions: 3 (trying to convince customers that they can't have a refund while they are legally entitled to have one)
- Price/Performance of Products: 8 (whenever they prove to have their 60GH unit working properly, before that, it's all smoke.)
- Delivery reliability: 2 (they have yet to deliver, but i'm surprised that they proved to be able to deliver anything)
- Assets of company: dunnow, if they can start mass producing 65nm chips and hardware however they have a gold mine under their hands


ASICMiner

- Public Relations:  8 (every thuesday you know what happened, updates are never bfl-style and always with enough details)
- Customer Support: 8 (i saw some pdf about the blades with details of their functionality and i saw him answering personally for some customer issues)
- Terms & Conditions: 8 (you get what you paid for)
- Price/Performance of Products: 7 (110nm, but who cares as long as they work?)
- Delivery reliability: 9 (yes with the blades, we will see what happens with the USB miners)
- Assets of company: dunnow, it's hard to guess.

If we stand to these parameters, BFL beats Avalon. However, this is simply an heresy.

By that criteria, Bernie Madoff wins. He had a rock solid legal structure and promised people massive returns for 2 decades.
This is why reviewers like Tom's Hardware actually wait until they have the hardware before they review it.
Until BFL can actually deliver, they should be dropped from this examination.

I removed the total score as it is misleading the topic, if we just could look at the overall performance (without priority of if or how much they have delivered till now) of this companies and their legal structures, that would be great.
Additionally we could do some kind of math to give a score for the delivery of the companies. If a company delivered 100% of their orders (or at least provided some tracking numbers) they get a score of 10. So here the calculation:

Butterfly: 0% =  0 of estimated 30000 units (I don't count the 35 devices they claimed to deliver, it just proves that they have an own chip)
Score: 0

BitSyncom:7.90 % = 280 of 3541 units
Score: 0.79

ASICMiner: 100% = 10 of 10 units
Score: 10

Calculation
Batch 1: 300 Units (not all delivered, lets say 280 Units were delivered)
Batch 2: 600 Units (not delivered)
Batch 3: 600 Units (not delivered, we assume them just as 3 module Avalon, this will increase the score a little bit)
Chip Sales: 490000 chips (Equals about 2041.6 Units of Avalon machines with each 3 modules with 80chips per module, is 240chips per Avalon 3 modules)
Total Sales: 300 + 600 +600 + 2041.6 = 3541

Batch 1 was 300 units. They delivered less than 300.
(reading the first line i had to correct you before reading the rest...)

Ok, about the rest... what should i say? BFL deserves a 2 (they have a product and they are not a complete scam, that's strange in this world), Avalon a 3 (where is my order that should have shipped 2 months ago/why you had to create a separate smt line/why is the difficulty skyrocketing/why the continuos delay and bullshit [you started shipping back in april, you shipped 20 units]/why you have yet to deliver a single product paid this year/if you wanted to mine yourself, why asking for our money to create your hardware? etc.., ASICMINER deserves a good rating, they have a good PR and they did the magic with a good capital, they could have run away/claim to have failed, they didn't. They are extremely overpriced, but it's always better to pay a lot (avalon batch 3, 7500$?) and to have nothing back.

If it was 300000 I would weep for the lost earnings of thousands of ASIC purchasers, including me (personal tragedy - my own personal tragedy that is - always makes me saddest).

OoC,

3000 or 300000?

This is exactly what I thought looking at his "rankings"