Topic: Martinm's rating of ASIC Companies [BitSyncom VS ASICMiner VS BFL] - page 2. (Read 3151 times)

So much fail in this post.

Nice to see that for OP the worst ASIC company is the only one which has been able to deliver 68 GH/s for $1,200 up to date. And the first one to be able to deliver ASICs to final customers, enabling them to have an immense ROI.

Glad to see that for OP Butterfly Labs is way ahead of Avalon.... Yes, BFL, the same company that took dozens millions of dollars in preorders, without being able to deliver shit for almost one year. The same company that screwed big time thousands of customers, the same company that sold for $30k a unit (the mini rig) that cannot exist, and that haven't proven to have any working unit apart from a shitty and power hungry "Bitforce 5GH/s miner".

And the cherry on the cake is seeing that for OP Butterfly Labs is almost tied with ASICMINER, a company which paid back to its shareholders the IPO price in just a few weeks, that is consistently paying dividends, and that proved that can ship units in the same week of purchase.

OP: shame on you.

First make a poll and the present results... or just write a lovestory about your personal fav

ridiculous

CAN provide products...yes. However, one of these companies started ahead of the other two, sold more pre-orders than the other two, and has delivered less than either of the others, particularly if you appropriately discount units sent to devs and media and not proper investors. That's the company that's the stinker of the group. There's no way around this...regardless of how you rate their PR kung-fu. Spewing bs is no substitute for delivering results.

BFL PR = 1 at best

BFL < Avalon < ASICMINER

Disclaimer: I'm a BFL and Avalon customer.

Hey RoadStress,

for sure I also saw this video long time ago, I read about the crimes Josh did, and I'm observing BitCoins and the community for about 1,5 years. Looking at this video we can clearly say that the behavior is not fitting, but I also read that it was not the first visit of micon at this exhibition at BFL, and I could also suspect that the reaction was a little bit provoked. However, a representative of a company should be able to handle himself, so its no excuse, but maybe that's one of the reasons why BFL is searching for employees on their website? Another point we have to look at is how many other ASIC companies showed up at the exhibition, how many visitors the other ones had? So PR is about showing up in public, there is bad PR, good PR and no PR. The ones that have good PR and bad PR can get some points for it, but somebody without PR can hardly get a good score.

martinm what is the use of this topic? really! you just created this account and you thought "hey! let's help some random people just because i got nothing else to do". do you think people can't decide for themselves what to buy or what? why would you spend some of your time to help unknown people?

It's to look at the companies by evaluating all aspects of an business structure and running company, not just who has a product in his hands. In my opinion a lot of aspects are under evaluated in other discussions here. It's kind of interesting and concerning to see peoples behavior in the ASIC-Rush. In fact the BitCoin community lost already too much money just by believing in something and someone driven by greed. However, everyone makes his own decision. Anyway it's still kind of funny when somebody think that any of the mentioned companies is going out as a winner when nobody got a score more then 5 of 10. If we would put some other companies into the race like AMD and NVIDIA, their score for performance would be the worst, but the total scores would be much higher then any of the other companies, but most people don't care about. The time I spend here to write is not worse then the time I spend to read the topics in this forum. I'm missing mostly considerations about the details of the companies structures, especially about their legal structures. It would be great if somebody can provide some information about the company structures of BitSyncom and ASICMiner. We all should meanwhile know that all three companies can provide products, but lets look into the details.

Your scores are a little off OP, let me fix them for you.  In terms of the proportion of customers actually able to make a successful investment?

Avalon - 2/10

BFL - 1/10

ASICminer - 8/10

Can't wait for batch 3 to ship, then we can all make money!! Not sure about the other companies, I'd be slightly cautious.

How could "Delivery reliability" and "Public Relations" possibly be of equal import?!? Makes no sense.

If I pay for a product or service and don't receive it on schedule, how long is PR(bs) an acceptable substitute?  

The OPs mistakes:
 * not weighting scores. Delivery time and price / performance should be given far more emphasis.
 * It's too early to judge customer service yet.
 * PR - who cares? The manufacturers are working it out as they go and can't promise fulfilment of any promise, so why does PR matter at all?
 * Assets - why? These companies have bootstrapped. Avalon and BFL have asked for preorders - they're not yet in a position to have any significant assets
 * 30000 units sold by BFL? I think that's out by an order of magnitude.

The post's a good idea, but the implementation is faulty.

BFL customer support should be 0, since 99.99% of their customers still have not received what they ordered.
Price performance of products should be 0, since 99.99% of their customers are currently getting 0GH/s.

i think Inaba is the dominatrix of martinm because i can't explain this thread. AM has 20Thash/s running right now. BFL has 40*5=200Ghash/s running(asic only)


dude are you really that idiot? Inaba the PR guy from BFL called his customers cocksuckers. is that good PR? i don't think so. you are an idiot. period. go and sell your house to buy BFL stuff!

is this the funny thread ?

That's it, but you know how this "modern" PR strategies work...

I'm speechless here. I'd thought that it was painfully obvious that ASICMiner => Avalon > BFL at this point. 

LOL BFL LOL. nothing to say  .

Just by making this thread, the OP lowers BFL PR rating to 1.
Way too transparent.
Please fix the scores.

1. How can you say that ASICminer PR is poor? They are handling very good the communications with both their shareholders and the community.

First of all I don't want to mix public relations with customer support, and it seems I need to quote the definition of PR from wiki because this is what we need to know to decide how to rate PR:
Public relations (PR) is the practice of managing the spread of information between an individual or an organization and the public.[1] Public relations may include an organization or individual gaining exposure to their audiences using topics of public interest and news items that do not require direct payment.[2] The aim of public relations by a company often is to persuade the public, investors, partners, employees, and other stakeholders to maintain a certain point of view about it, its leadership, products, or of political decisions. Common activities include speaking at conferences, winning industry awards, working with the press, and employee communication.[3]

So the rating is about managing the spread of information:
- What kind of ways ASIC miner use to spread the way of information to public?
- How much effort they spend to persuade the public, investors, partners and other stakeholders to maintain a certain point of view about their company?
- How often they showed up at exhibitions or events, invited people to report about their facilities, how far they are working with any kind of press together?

2. How can you say that BFL PR is good? They are just laughing at their customers

By definition of PR they doing the most to provide a good image of their company in public (Exhibitions, Advertisement, Co-operations with other BitCoin companies)

3.How can you say that ASICminer customer support is poor? They are providing a lot of help to their blades customers
I wrote " their customer support can hardly be evaluated as not enough time passed they started to sell their products", their is nowhere I wrote that they have poor customer support. However, but if we need to give a score to them we need to see what is Customer support and by what we can rate it...

Again wiki will help us to get a better understanding for the term customer support:
Customer support is a range of customer services to assist customers in making cost effective and correct use of a product.[5] It includes assistance in planning, installation, training, trouble shooting, maintenance, upgrading, and disposal of a product.[5]
- What ways of communication ASIC Miner provides for their customers e.g. Wiki/FAQ/Own Forum/Hotline ?
- What is the response time for a ticket/inquiry, or how to create a ticket?
- Who the customer can contact if the support is not providing help (like key account ...)?

I want to keep the evaluation objective so I appreciate any critics that can help to measure the companies performance in figures.

martinm did you just gave BFL a 7 on their PR? IF you are not retard-inaba then you really don't know about this movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWrmIqGs3Y&t=2m48s  is this a way to treat your potential customers? also i am sure that you are not aware of the amount of rage and swears that Inaba did on this forum.
"Price/Performance of Products" WHAT PRODUCTS??? 40 or so Jalapenos?

INABA YOU ARE A RETARD that doesn't pay loosing bets! there!

Edit: martinm what is the use of this topic? really! you just created this account and you thought "hey! let's help some random people just because i got nothing else to do". do you think people can't decide for themselves what to buy or what? why would you spend some of your time to help unknown people?

I think the question you've got to ask yourself about BFL is, how many of the thousands of people they have taken money from are happy with them? What else matters?