Topic: MasterCard & Visa Start Banning VPN Providers (Read 1993 times)

I think youre right about the hackers .. it make for good press and some feel good articles but besides costing them millions it rarely changes their behavior! Considering we are still talking about them... Its plainly obvious they have a foothold so deep its gonna take more than a denial of service to remove the posture from their lean!! Denial of service may cost them millions but its like pick pocketing bill gates!  Not exactly gonna hurt him so to speak.. Makes for great headlines tho..



The article you posted starts out with one hell of a statement!! Its so on point i couldn't have said it better!!!

quote:  --->> "Visa, MasterCard, and Paypal control the valve to any money flow on the planet"











Yeah... i just hate to give em business of any kind.. I last used paypal about 6 months ago on a car forum for a car part purchase from a forum member because he wouldnt take anything else and it was a rare piece so to speak but..

 It just pains me to give them any money! If i had it my way i would never eva eva eva eva use paypal ever again! They are a **** company ran by **** people! The have a bfl like odor that makes you cringe at the thought of supporting their business!

Or, less to my preference but available, pay for VPN with paypal...

I think hackers can do more harm than good, by plain revenge hackings, as it will look to the public as simply the criminals getting back at credit card companies. Unless they uncover and publish unlawful behavior.

http://falkvinge.net/2012/11/20/europarliament-scolds-visa-mastercard-paypal-for-killing-wikileaks-donations-initiates-regulation/
That's another result of that financial blockade. I'm not a fan of a centralized government solving problems that arise because of centralization in the financial world, but would sure love to see PayPal losing a couple of expensive lawsuits due to their behavior.

The CFR and Trilateral Commission are the real source, the puppiticians in government are just their marionettes. The left/right thing isn't just smoke and mirrors, though.

Strangely enough they just unbanned wikileaks but i think they just want to track donation made to them ...



But yeah, the source of their stance is not internal! Its seems they are working outside of the whole judge, jury, and court of law thing and they are circumventing it all together !


With wikileaks i think it was Joe Lieberman who without a court order or without any proof of a law being broken ... Just basically called up visa and mastercard and "told" them to stop taking donation via Credit cards on the site.


Initially i think it was paypal who Joe Lieberman called and had paypal ban wikileaks from using the service!

Then paypal obliged without a court order or anything! (Just a mere phone call from Joe Lieberman)


Then wikileaks said well screw payal we will just use visa and mastercard!  Well it wasnt too long after giving paypal the middle finger that visa and mastercard got the call!!

& then of course visa and mastercard stopped taking donations for wikileaks!





After that happened ... the hackers came out of the woodworks and started targeting paypal , visa, mastercard!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8188797/WikiLeaks-supporters-hack-Mastercard.com.html




Then Joe and his gang started targeting the web host of wikileaks ... (AMAZON CLOUD SERVICES)


after a call from joe and his gang, amazon caved in and shutdown wikileaks.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-website-cables-servers-amazon



Then the mirrors happened after that !! A boat load of wikileaks clones showed up! Meaning .. Wikileaks was being mirrored by thousands of supporters who witnessed paypal, visa, mastercard, amazon and others who without court orders or anything "official" and documented were discriminating against the whistle blowing giant.


At the time i imagine satoshi coding with a grin as he watched what seemed to be a script out of the movies!




Fast forward a few years and here we are ... right smack in the middle of another whistle blowing scandal !!!  One that may change the face of communications as we know it!


 





hello, can you hear me now?.. How about know?






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You mean like the Council on Foreign Relations?

The same they banned Wikileaks.
Strangely, Visa and Mastercard doesn't like anything US government doesn't like.

Pfff, when will joe sixpack wake up and discover this right/left bullshit is just a way to keep people away from the real source of issues.

No, not the processors, but the people behind them ARE very left-leaning and tend toward socialism even though their own fortunes were made outside of a socialist system. "Fix" reverted.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2009/05/who-owns-the-credit-card-compa.html


The credit card companies are publicly held company's  ..as stated in the article Mastercard for example had an ipo in 2006.

But the "source of their stance" is not from their shareholders, or it does'nt seem it!  The reasons for them to selectively target a payment gateway or an industry or a country or just country's overseas would pretty much cause an outrage if it was public! But the sources is not publicy... surely these vpn companys arent breaking the law. Just imagine a how many executives use vpn services to access work networks while they are on their yacht!

Im pretty sure they didnt have executives in mind while going ahead with a ban tho.. Im just saying selectively targeting people, company's, industry's, country's or even networks seems a bit ... whats the word im looking for here?


discriminatory!



 

Fixed.

Unless you are trying to claim credit card processors are socialist.

Very interesting, and it does seem to point to an overall strategy, but this isn't anything really new, though. Socialism and all it's little sects, has had powerful adherents throughout history. Even though it keeps on failing, each successive generation keeps on pushing for it because they think they can do it better, and then they fail and start lashing out at all those they think kept them from succeeding even though it was their own flawed philosophy that failed.

Nothing new to see here, just be sure to keep your eyes and ears open.

The terrain below the cables is hardly ever seen..




Im not sure where the source of their stance is coming from but.. its worrisome in nature. If the thought of banning encryption is pondered ..let alone enacted or proposed. Btc would take a knee, and be de-knighted on sight!

Dangerous path they going down, cutting off their toes to save their face won't work for long, if they can't stand any more when they run out of toes.

As already pointed out VPN services are a legit business, are they going to suspend all computer hardware sellers next because hackers use computers? Sounds stupid, but it's the same logic they seem to have used with VPN it seems.

If true, that tells me that all of the continental US VPN providers are under surveillance whether they know it or not.

Get behind tor and then ---->   pay with bitcoin!

Paying my VPN service in BTC...i'd advise everyone else to do the same!

^^ From my understanding, they are selectively targeting vpn providers using a certain payment gateway.. or just selectively targeting vpn providers overseas!

Im just wondering how long the rest of the world is going to sit there and act like a lil ...    


Eventually one would think there would be some blowback and companies would start boycotting US based services but...


Visa and mastercard have a foothold so ingrained into the fabric of society's its gonna take a movement to get a considerable amount of motion!


It may take a social movement.. a community based and possibly a politically powered movement!!  

Maybe a BITCOIN movement!  


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Unfortunately America is busy watching american idol, dancing with the stars, nascar, pierce morgan live, the nba playoffs, the superbowl or some other distraction that has people paralyzed and dazed and the issues come and go like a commercial thats on high volume but gets ignored like the line up of side-effects from a big-pharma adverts!!  


What was that: may cause liver damage, blindness, insomnia, baldness, heart attack, skin rash, kidney failure...

America: --->>>> can someone pass the cheez wiz and bacon, the third quarter is about to start!

Bitcoin user unaffected.

My provider accepts bitcoin.

Agreed!

Meanwhile in America the Restore the 4th protests brought out 400 people that showed up at any given location and they where pretty much ignored and not even covered by the media.  Im sure holding up a sign that said boycott visa and mastercard would have brought a chuckle.