Topic: MASTER'S SCAMMER LIST - page 2. (Read 7716 times)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/luceo-59824

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/charity-raffle-lets-give-the-poor-a-working-chance-126922

Please link to his bitcoin forums profile, and the post about the charity for review. I am only interested in members of this forum. I am banned from otc and consider everyone there to have a high probability of  being a scammer.
Thanks

Go right ahead LOL I need more people to know me. I don't care about the spelling I know you can't spell so it is really ok

I would probably add Luceo here as well.  He has been running these "charities" for the past 9 months? or so.  I participated in a Christmas charity raffle, Christmas came and gone, still no raffle.  I messaged him that I would like my btc back, because it didn't look like it was going anywhere. In an irc conversation he said he would refund everybody's btc in the current raffle after about a month, "to see how it goes".  This was January 23rd.  A month later, I ask for my btc.  He was completely resistant to the idea at that point.  To me, this has scammer written all over it.

Now I have to ask myself, is the btc even going to its final intended recipients.  My vote is no, its probably not.  At this point I think its a scam unless Luceo and those whom he works with running these charities can provide:

Real names, real phone numbers, a clear trace from the actual charity recipients to Luceo himself.

As a person who runs a charity and takes advantage of people who like to give money to charity, I hold this type of person to an even higher standard of ethics and actions than a normal bitcoin user.

Quantum

I thought you would at least like the spelling. I am going to be posting Qweedo=Dick a lot more. I dont like you. You know because Qweedo=Dick

LMAO at least try to be a little more funny and original, you just call me a dick and say I suck over and over, just shows your intelligence is below the average. LMAO

You obviously have never owned a business or been involved in a legal dispute about services or undelivered/ unusable products.

Burden of proof is on the accuser.

"In MPT and TF's case, it is clear that the case belongs to the 2) realm. However, to make it clear and unbiased, both parties have to be under scrutiny, which is not in this case where only TF's name is in the 'list'. "

The burden of proof lies with the person who is providing the goods or services. MPT has been on the scammer list in the past and has been removed, because he proved to be trust worthy.

TF is the one who has the ability to quickly and easily resolve this issue and has chosen to pretend that he is beyond reproach. 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88315.00 unkn0wn12 (Scammer*)                                # REAL NAME ALEXSANDER SNIGUROWICZ

EDIT The real name of unkn0wn12 has been added. I guess he is kn0wn12 now. Thanks blazer

This is my favorite "Win" from me QWEEDO=DICK. Qweedo sucks.

I see your point and can understand not stickying it.
However, sublime is investigating the supposed type 2 cases which are otherwise excluded for scrutiny and this seems legitimate and commendable.
In my case, I disagree with you.
The agreement with TF had me pay the enitire cost of programming up front and leaves only recovery of what I've paid.
AFAIK there are no allegations of scam against me other than trying to recover my payment to TF.
I have no financial need to recover the 27 BTC TF scammed me for and I am willing to donate it to an acceptable charity.
This seems to all but remove any scam attempt by me (unless I'm really dedicated to funding some charity).
The reason I am pursuing TF is because I believe in a marketplace where people should be able to buy services without going through what I went through. TF is only going to continue representing himself as a competent programmer and WILL scam again for the fourth (or more) time using the same hook unless he is tagged. His actions in failing to start arbitration at judge.me as he said (and instead flaming me to judge.me) prove that he is not interested in resolving my complaint against him in a fair manner (when he refused even a partial refund, this became clear).

I am a highly trusted party in many circles who is constantly surprised by the degree of unscrupulous activity when money is involved. In this case, TF knew how expensive good programming skills are worth and represents himself as able to provide those services. This is blatant scamming of the type 1 variety IMHO that is masked as type 2 scamming.

side-note - are there any competent programmers who can be trusted with thousands of bitcoins? I have several projects I need to work on and

PS: Another example of 2) would be the recent Coinabul case. The line between 'scamming' and 'bad customer service/business ethics' is too fine, and it would be prudent to let the case unfold first before labelling them.

The work itself to identify and call out scammers is a noble one, and one that we dearly need here. I have been personally involved in the scammer tagging of most scamming users lately as theymos does not have the extra time to evaluate most requests, and I've found that job to be tedious and time-consuming.

There are two types of (potential) scammers present in this forum:

1) Clear-cut scammers who make new accounts solely for the purpose of scamming, and abandons them after being called out.  
 
2) Contractual scammers who violate a predefined contract set out.

In MPT and TF's case, it is clear that the case belongs to the 2) realm. However, to make it clear and unbiased, both parties have to be under scrutiny, which is not in this case where only TF's name is in the 'list'. There is no knowing of which party broke the contract before careful arbitration and analysis. Using anything like polls would be utterly ineffective and even beneficial to a potential scammer - anyone can create sockpuppets easily and vote using that. In fact, a simple analysis of the recent posters in the newbie subforum would show that fact easily. There's a cartload of old 1-post accounts being resurrected and spammed to meet the minimum amount of posts needed to elevate their permissions, just to get a stab at the Ripple giveaway.

That is why I assume this thread to be a piece of joke, at least for the moment where inefficient methods are used to evaluate the 'scammishness' of a person, and the similarity of the list to one that is stickied. I won't mention the obvious agendas that OP is trying to push here, of course.

Edit: Corrected erroneous mistakes and sentence endings.

sublime, you may want to revisit your list periodically as sometimes people who are listed there can make meaningful contributions, successful trades, or timely loan paybacks, thereby proving themselves.  That reminds me that I need to go through my lists again and do some spring cleaning

I can only imagine a few scenarios where people would be opposed to these goals:
Personal bias -
   As with TF case, many people are biased against me because of my ultra cheap MP's and/or otherwise biased for TF and willing to overlook the 27 BTC he conned from me. Personal attacks using off-topic material show the personal biases in this thread pretty clearly.
Pro-Scammer -
   Being against scammer detection and identification seems to qualify as pro-scammer.

Otherwise, can't see a legitimate reason to oppose the work being done here. There are scammers freely using the forums here to steal BTC and OP is trying to hold them accountable. People like to respond with personal attacks instead of weighing the facts of the case/thread in a fair manner.
Maybe people want the scammers to continue stealing from people here. . .

Best  post of this thread.

I am not a crook, and I see a bunch of crooks. If the forums did something about it I wouldn't have too
They are falling down on their duties to the community while passing out the funds to be used for the improvement of the forum among themselves

I am building a mining rig right now so i dont have a ton of time. I have to finish it tomorrow. When I get more time I will update the scammer list.







 

I'm starting to think OP would be Micon's best friend. This list is useless as the only valid entries are copied out from Tomatocage's list, and the additional entries are a piece of joke.

Hehe, I don't know why anyone pays attention to this now.

You donated to the forum. Donate. You're not a shareholder, you're not getting your coins back.