Max Keiser - "Libertarians are Intellectually Lazy & Idiots" - page 4.

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Quote from: dree12 on August 18, 2012, 06:00:27 PM

Quote from: myrkul on August 18, 2012, 05:55:32 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 18, 2012, 05:50:57 PM

Taxes being voluntary doesn't starve the government. In fact, the IRS isn't even going to care if most people just stop paying taxes with USD. They only target people who are worth targeting, and that doesn't change with Bitcoin. It just gets harder.

Yup, they'll actually have to offer services that people will want to pay for.

Sound familiar?

No, they'll still collect taxes from people that want to pay them. There are a lot of those people.

For now.

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Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on August 18, 2012, 05:51:50 PM

I consider a moral duty to do my best to not pay any tax, and that is one of the reasons I am into into bitcoins.

Is that because you don't agree with what the money is used for, or because you're an anarchist or something of that nature?

I am a political realist, therefore anarchist.
Besides, what is the point of taxes in a pure fiat money system?

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Quote from: myrkul on August 18, 2012, 05:55:32 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 18, 2012, 05:50:57 PM

Taxes being voluntary doesn't starve the government. In fact, the IRS isn't even going to care if most people just stop paying taxes with USD. They only target people who are worth targeting, and that doesn't change with Bitcoin. It just gets harder.

Yup, they'll actually have to offer services that people will want to pay for.

Sound familiar?

No, they'll still collect taxes from people that want to pay them. There are a lot of those people.

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Quote from: myrkul on August 18, 2012, 05:47:10 PM

In other words, you're against taxes. If you're not forced, it's not a tax.

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on August 18, 2012, 05:51:50 PM

I consider a moral duty to do my best to not pay any tax, and that is one of the reasons I am into into bitcoins.

Is that because you don't agree with what the money is used for, or because you're an anarchist or something of that nature?

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Bitcoin is antisemitic

Quote from: dree12 on August 18, 2012, 05:53:11 PM

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on August 18, 2012, 05:51:50 PM

I consider a moral duty to do my best to not pay any tax, and that is one of the reasons I am into into bitcoins.

Just don't pay it. Unless you earn a significant amount, the IRS isn't going to go after you.

That would be unlikely, until I have a neuropean citizenship.

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Quote from: dree12 on August 18, 2012, 05:50:57 PM

Taxes being voluntary doesn't starve the government. In fact, the IRS isn't even going to care if most people just stop paying taxes with USD. They only target people who are worth targeting, and that doesn't change with Bitcoin. It just gets harder.

Yup, they'll actually have to offer services that people will want to pay for.

Sound familiar?

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Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on August 18, 2012, 05:51:50 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on August 18, 2012, 05:45:15 PM

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on August 18, 2012, 05:37:59 PM

The day they will be able to effectively "regulate" bitcoins, I'm out for good.

I know some people are against taxes (I'm not, just against forced taxes for things I don't want to participate in and don't ask for) but do you expect to pay taxes on bitcoins?

I consider a moral duty to do my best to not pay any tax, and that is one of the reasons I am into into bitcoins.

Just don't pay it. Unless you earn a significant amount, the IRS isn't going to go after you.

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Bitcoin is antisemitic

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on August 18, 2012, 05:45:15 PM

Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on August 18, 2012, 05:37:59 PM

The day they will be able to effectively "regulate" bitcoins, I'm out for good.

I know some people are against taxes (I'm not, just against forced taxes for things I don't want to participate in and don't ask for) but do you expect to pay taxes on bitcoins?

I consider a moral duty to do my best to not pay any tax, and that is one of the reasons I am into into bitcoins.

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Quote from: myrkul on August 18, 2012, 05:47:10 PM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on August 18, 2012, 05:35:05 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 18, 2012, 05:32:45 PM

Quote from: myrkul on August 17, 2012, 10:36:07 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 17, 2012, 10:21:47 PM

No, the two entities can coexist. Bitcoin is very popular among social liberals, true, but even social conservatives (e.g. Luke-Jr) use it. Bitcoin is politically trans-spectrum, and should remain that way.

On the contrary, if Bitcoin or its successors are successful, Politics as we know it will essentially go out the window.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-the-darknet-economy-and-the-low-over-head-revolution-100804

Bitcoin can be regulated just like any other currency. It's just that one can now choose whether to be regulated or not. Politics will not go out the window.

Bingo. Bitcoin does not cure cancer, it just slowly impedes the process at which cancer cells can get their food and teachers other healthy cells that they're not alone, giving them some reason to fight. This is a 200 year battle we're in. Bitcoin is just a whisper of an innovation in the right direction, one that looks to us like the most interesting thing in our decade.

Bitcoin is a currency that the users of can decide whether or not to be regulated. It makes taxes voluntary. That's the game changer. It's not a cure for cancer, it's a means to starve the cancer.

Taxes being voluntary doesn't starve the government. In fact, the IRS isn't even going to care if most people just stop paying taxes with USD. They only target people who are worth targeting, and that doesn't change with Bitcoin. It just gets harder.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on August 18, 2012, 05:35:05 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 18, 2012, 05:32:45 PM

Quote from: myrkul on August 17, 2012, 10:36:07 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 17, 2012, 10:21:47 PM

No, the two entities can coexist. Bitcoin is very popular among social liberals, true, but even social conservatives (e.g. Luke-Jr) use it. Bitcoin is politically trans-spectrum, and should remain that way.

On the contrary, if Bitcoin or its successors are successful, Politics as we know it will essentially go out the window.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-the-darknet-economy-and-the-low-over-head-revolution-100804

Bitcoin can be regulated just like any other currency. It's just that one can now choose whether to be regulated or not. Politics will not go out the window.

Bingo. Bitcoin does not cure cancer, it just slowly impedes the process at which cancer cells can get their food and teachers other healthy cells that they're not alone, giving them some reason to fight. This is a 200 year battle we're in. Bitcoin is just a whisper of an innovation in the right direction, one that looks to us like the most interesting thing in our decade.

Bitcoin is a currency that the users of can decide whether or not to be regulated. It makes taxes voluntary. That's the game changer. It's not a cure for cancer, it's a means to starve the cancer.

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on August 18, 2012, 05:45:15 PM

I know some people are against taxes (I'm not, just against forced taxes for things I don't want to participate in and don't ask for) but do you expect to pay taxes on bitcoins?

In other words, you're against taxes. If you're not forced, it's not a tax.

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Quote from: conspirosphere.tk on August 18, 2012, 05:37:59 PM

Quote from: myrkul on August 17, 2012, 10:36:07 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 17, 2012, 10:21:47 PM

On the contrary, if Bitcoin or its successors are successful, Politics as we know it will essentially go out the window.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-the-darknet-economy-and-the-low-over-head-revolution-100804

Bitcoin can be regulated just like any other currency. It's just that one can now choose whether to be regulated or not. Politics will not go out the window.

The day they will be able to effectively "regulate" bitcoins, I'm out for good.

I know some people are against taxes (I'm not, just against forced taxes for things I don't want to participate in and don't ask for) but do you expect to pay taxes on bitcoins?

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Bitcoin is antisemitic

Quote from: myrkul on August 17, 2012, 10:36:07 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 17, 2012, 10:21:47 PM

On the contrary, if Bitcoin or its successors are successful, Politics as we know it will essentially go out the window.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-the-darknet-economy-and-the-low-over-head-revolution-100804

Bitcoin can be regulated just like any other currency. It's just that one can now choose whether to be regulated or not. Politics will not go out the window.

The day they will be able to effectively "regulate" bitcoins, I'm out for good.

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Quote from: dree12 on August 18, 2012, 05:32:45 PM

Quote from: myrkul on August 17, 2012, 10:36:07 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 17, 2012, 10:21:47 PM

No, the two entities can coexist. Bitcoin is very popular among social liberals, true, but even social conservatives (e.g. Luke-Jr) use it. Bitcoin is politically trans-spectrum, and should remain that way.

On the contrary, if Bitcoin or its successors are successful, Politics as we know it will essentially go out the window.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-the-darknet-economy-and-the-low-over-head-revolution-100804

Bitcoin can be regulated just like any other currency. It's just that one can now choose whether to be regulated or not. Politics will not go out the window.

Bingo. Bitcoin does not cure cancer, it just slowly impedes the process at which cancer cells can get their food and teachers other healthy cells that they're not alone, giving them some reason to fight. This is a 200 year battle we're in. Bitcoin is just a whisper of an innovation in the right direction, one that looks to us like the most interesting thing in our decade.

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Quote from: myrkul on August 17, 2012, 10:36:07 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 17, 2012, 10:21:47 PM

No, the two entities can coexist. Bitcoin is very popular among social liberals, true, but even social conservatives (e.g. Luke-Jr) use it. Bitcoin is politically trans-spectrum, and should remain that way.

On the contrary, if Bitcoin or its successors are successful, Politics as we know it will essentially go out the window.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-the-darknet-economy-and-the-low-over-head-revolution-100804

Bitcoin can be regulated just like any other currency. It's just that one can now choose whether to be regulated or not. Politics will not go out the window.

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Quote from: dree12 on August 17, 2012, 10:21:47 PM

No, the two entities can coexist. Bitcoin is very popular among social liberals, true, but even social conservatives (e.g. Luke-Jr) use it. Bitcoin is politically trans-spectrum, and should remain that way.

On the contrary, if Bitcoin or its successors are successful, Politics as we know it will essentially go out the window.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-the-darknet-economy-and-the-low-over-head-revolution-100804

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Quote from: 420 on August 17, 2012, 06:56:44 PM

Quote from: dree12 on August 17, 2012, 03:06:55 PM

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I don't see why Bitcoin, as a currency, should recruit a community that is so politically oriented. This limits adoption, and that is not in any of our best interests. If a spokesperson for Bitcoin criticizes a certain viewpoint, rather than attacking them, the community should consider that Bitcoin is valid for people not of that viewpoint.

The Bitcoin community is diverse, and will only become more diverse. We should together refrain from politically minded comments and go for a neutral, Bitcoin-centric discussion about the merits of Bitcoin.

If people like government force (i.e. anti libertarian principles) then they like the possibility of controlling or completely stopping bitcoin with force

No, the two entities can coexist. Bitcoin is very popular among social liberals, true, but even social conservatives (e.g. Luke-Jr) use it. Bitcoin is politically trans-spectrum, and should remain that way.

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Quote from: dree12 on August 17, 2012, 03:06:55 PM

@Topic:

I don't see why Bitcoin, as a currency, should recruit a community that is so politically oriented. This limits adoption, and that is not in any of our best interests. If a spokesperson for Bitcoin criticizes a certain viewpoint, rather than attacking them, the community should consider that Bitcoin is valid for people not of that viewpoint.

The Bitcoin community is diverse, and will only become more diverse. We should together refrain from politically minded comments and go for a neutral, Bitcoin-centric discussion about the merits of Bitcoin.

If people like government force (i.e. anti libertarian principles) then they like the possibility of controlling or completely stopping bitcoin with force

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@Topic:

I don't see why Bitcoin, as a currency, should recruit a community that is so politically oriented. This limits adoption, and that is not in any of our best interests. If a spokesperson for Bitcoin criticizes a certain viewpoint, rather than attacking them, the community should consider that Bitcoin is valid for people not of that viewpoint.

The Bitcoin community is diverse, and will only become more diverse. We should together refrain from politically minded comments and go for a neutral, Bitcoin-centric discussion about the merits of Bitcoin.

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