Topic: mdayonliner's Red Trust removal T&C [Update] (Read 948 times)

bill gator : Topic updated as promised. Lately, I have decided to give up all these investigation stuffs which is creating nasty enemies for me in the forum.

Hi bill,
Good to see you here mate and thanks for your dissections on the topic.

I agree with some of the points you made here. The topic was created long ago and since then a lot of things has changed... as a person in me and everything else in the forum. We learn from experience. So, I felt a need to re-structure the topic after reading a post from suchmoon. I already replied with one of the answer I left for him.



Right now I am busy with some others stuffs, will start working on original post when I have some free time.

I just came across this thread, because I saw OP's name in a Scam accusation thread. It read like your generic "DT member X is abusing their power!" thread. Digaran really started a trend for the title of those threads, put a name to the face, so to speak. I think this thread is hilarious in it's intention. I can see that it has gone over a few people's heads, but that is alright and we'll move on from there.


This comes across as pretty self-righteous and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Be careful, because you might come off as arrogant or a bit full of yourself. You are not risking your account, because the trust ratings left by these people is meaningless. What risk is involved beyond what is happening in that "Scam" accusation thread or your untrusted feedback?

There are many people that are doing a lot to stop abuses of the forum, merit, trust, etc. The "(I did)" part, is kind of "ew."


When you say things like this, it really defeats the entire purpose that I thought you had behind this thread. Maybe I am reading too much into it, but this just makes your ratings sound inconsistent. If your ratings had more power, then you would refuse to review them? How does that bode well for you if we are to take your ratings seriously?

Marlboroza has a point, it does looks rather hypocritical for you to complain and tag people that are doing the same actions and claiming the same excuses as you are.

Thank you so much sir, I am not arguing i am just asking few things which can answer to many persons question. thanks for suggestion, i have started a topic in meta to clear few confusions as well.

First you did wrong and 2nd you started arguing. It's really bad attitude and insult for the community. If you have questions then create a post in the meta section and let's discuss it there. The Pharmacist had his valid points.

By the way I removed the redTrust with a neutral trust. Hope from now on you spend your¹ sMerits wisely.

Good luck.

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Update:
¹Correction of missing r

How most members would be grateful if multi account holders left? Is they posting any shit or posting medicines formula's Mr. The Pharmacist?? if any multi account hold is working by following all the rules and working fairly then whats wrong? and why there is btc fee for removing proxy ban? If this is not legal here then why forum authorities are allowing them to register here?

No.  Bitcoiners generally are against KYC regulations, and instituting them so that some shitposters can have their whole family involved in bounties is a ridiculous idea. 

I don't think you're going to garner much sympathy to your cause here, since people who cheat bounties aren't respected.  There are so many cheaters that once you're caught, you're tagged and nobody has the patience to look at whatever garbage proof you think will convince people that a multi-account ring represents distinct individuals.  Most members here would be grateful if you all left and never came back.

Hello Well i have not holding these accounts, these are the persons whom i refereed to the forum for working, some of them are my friends and relatives as well. how can i prove that these are other persons not me? I just helped them only. If it is mistake then accept my sorry. I think that forum authorities should consider profile verification by asking them national id card same as like we do KYC in ICO's. I will not repeat same mistake. kindly give me a chance.

Because the default answer of that question is: I will be a victim without doing anything and the community should consider me not guilty. It's an answer from common sense. So, it does not matter asking there or anywhere.

Furthermore , I do not want anyone do the same mistake out of confusion like you did and don't accuse me saying that I am a big hypocrate. My trust page is red painted (LOL) but I don't bother coz I know those red trusts are from non-DT. Also, those are out of angry mouth with no legit accusation. Anyone with a little sense can easily notice that I am not guilty for those redTrust. But your one was not the same.


Those with bad intention they kept doing their continuous abusing but if you see my brothers one then it's not the same case. Don't you think I could send him some back if I had the bad intention where I see he did not earn any single merit. Instead of doing that, I advised him to improve his post quality a few days ago.

If you see the individuals' merit history those I have listed on the merit abusers list, then you will notice I did try considering the early merit sending confusion period. I try not accusing them out of the thin air with not enough evidence (few I might miss, hey I am a human after all, sometimes these networks are too deep). I always leave reference so that my justification can be proved. My goal is not bashing people, my goal is to warn them. They are open to ask me for the removal of my redTrust and in that case I need to keep a log for me plus other members (possibly DT) that they have been warned earlier. IMO there are no other best place for the log but their own trust page with a neutral trust.

Trusting family/friends/etc and exchanging merits with each others are totally different, aren't it? Merit is not here for exchanging just because you know the people well, it's here to identify good posts and award it to that good posts. I knew my brother's intention so, why would I neg trust him. If his intention was bad then I would do the same like I did for all the abusers. I would redTrust him. Then I would replace the red with a neutral one to keep the log of the warning after he admit his abusing (I understand for you, it's hard to believe. I wish you knew me personally. I am man of my strong ethics). He saw a new feature and tried it out to see how it works. I am lucky that I did not send him the two sMerits back that I earned from his 4 merits or today I would had to leave the forum with great shame.

I was worried about my reputation not for the redTrust. Anyway well done.  

I don't need to post proofs because you confirmed them.
I am not sure why are you asking questions and trying to make conversation in trust.
No, they were not. They were abusing system from the start.
All these accounts which you are bashing because of merit abuse and your brother has sent you all his merits just to test how this system works..
If you trust your brother(of course you do, it is your brother) why don't you trust people who sent merit to their family/friends/etc? Don't you think you should give -ve to your brother for merit abuse as well?

Don't worry, I removed my -ve(it is untrusted anyways so it won't affect you nor your brother in any way).

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Does this resolve the confusion?
 

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I would like to ask what makes me a big hypocrate?


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I would also like to declare that me (35) and my brother (22) do not live together under one roof (!). We both live FAR away from each others in two difference cities. I would like to see the bunches of solid proofs (if still concern) you are talking about in public. I won't mind however I do not know if my brother has a problem with it. I am pretty sure he will have a heart attack once he see the redTrust LOL. Other day I told him to improve his post quality after actmyname left him a neutral trust.

Anyway let me know if that's enough for you or not. Also make sure to explain me the big hypocrate thing.

Thank you.

Where is your badge officer? what is a merit abuse? who gave you the authority to decide everything on your own?

First define merit abuse. what kind of merit transaction is considered as abuse and base on what, your own opinion?

A garbage poster is receiving and sending merits to only 1 account of another garbage poster?

Define a garbage post. what is considered a garbage post and base on what, your own opinion?

Merit abuse and garbage post must be defined by the majority, if you are a DT1-2 member, the majority of DT1-2 members should come to agreement on defining a merit abuse and a garbage post for tagging forum members.

I was a victim of a DT member today. Now it really counts when a DT member leave a RedTag for me. Anyway the upon exchanging few words with the DT and his satisfactory answer I removed my redTrust replacing a neutral trust and he removed the redTrust left for me.

My goal is to remind these merit abusers so that they do not do the mistakes 2nd time.

But you are not a DT or staff member. So it really doesn't make any sense at all to do all this. Not others you have tagged nor you being tagged by them will get affected by exchanging negative feedback between each other as they don't really count. There are hundreds of people with a good reputation in the forum but carrying tons of negative feedbacks in their profile left by immoral users of our community, but that doesn't affect their reputation because even the dumbest person can know those feedbacks make no sense.
So, other than the fact of users accepting their mistakes, this thread has no sense to me. And also the users that are accepting their mistakes in here are tagged because they are guilty and anyone would know that just by checking their trust page.

-It really is a joke (the excuses they make) however my options are limited. So I am settling them removing the red trust with neutral trust (keeping the log of abusing).

Pharmacist, look at my history in the forum, only a member, not a DT or never had any backup from any DT or high up member (may be some day I will but that's another story). Why would these abusers behave me back with extra caution?  Even-though proves of their merit abusing is in the red trust I am giving them, they are not caring to bounce back to me with their red trust.



I am risking my only single account for the sake of being dutiful to the forum. I realised if another person step up (I did) to stop these abusers then this will add a little help to those who are also fighting against these abusers.

I get it that, if someone looks on my trust history thoroughly they will discover that all the red trusts I received are non-sense, abusive from those user I left red trust. But, still... I find myself insecure. People do not have much time to look on my history thoroughly. At a glace they will see all the red trusts that I have. Then they will move to the next page without thinking twice.

Quoted.

It's amazing how much of a mix of stupidity and balls these morons have.  Makes me wonder if truth is a foreign concept in those campaign farms, where 139 relatives and friends all live in the same house and all use the same ETH address and are ALL in the same campaign.  

Good job. I will be removing the redtrust after posting this. However you have not done 5 and 6 yet.

Edit:
Done. Make sure from now on you are more careful and loyal to the forum.

1. gamerferfect
2. Admit that you have abused the merit system: Yes
3. You apology in public on this tread: "as far as I know. I have a merit exchange with the kazoubg1 account. That means I violate the community rules. I sincerely apologize for that, I was led by kazoubg1 to this forum. I know a lot of good things, but unfortunately I have not thoroughly investigated the principle of the forum. I will re-read the provisions of sMERIT as well as TRUST rules to comply with the rules given. love."
4. Commit that you will never do this again: Yes

I know, it's annoying to involve in fight plus I need to save my ass.

No I can not, i'm afraid. All this threads has their own purpose and will be continued (e.i: this one is for keeping log of red trust removal request etc). Separating them helps me to keep a log.

The rule says to give red trust. Hope you understand

Great job Kousei23. I removed the red trust and left a neutral trust. Remember not doing it again.

- Again I am just trying to save my ass. It looks bad seeing red trust on a profile besides dome day these people might be DT members then obviously their red trust will be visible to everyone. So, I am trying to minimise my risk.

- Thank you, yes I do.

Watch the thread play out, pretty sure OP has the right idea here