Topic: Done with the topic: [New format] Merit Abuser Gang [Now 18-1 cases] (Read 2334 times)

There are some people who came up clean and some admitted their mistakes from the list in my OP (I replaced their red trust with a neutral trust) however, I believe - from the rest, most of them are guilty. I hope theymos has the best thing in his mind. This is not the only topic, there are a lot of other topics from other good members who actually care about the forum. The worse part is, still a lot of these abusers are unnoticed. Every day we are seeing new style of merit abusing and they are getting caught. I see more and more members are coming forward and busting these merit abusers. I feel happy for them and I wish them good luck.

From my part, I am done here. I feel I already made decent amount of enemies because of this topic. They just don't like it. I am hatting the arguments I am having with people back and forth. I am tired of explaining others that I am a decent person and like to be always clean to myself.

Theymos should ban every last one of these fucktards.

Yes I see the error now. Two screenshots joined in the wrong place.

- I disagree with users getting tagged unless it is blatant and deliberate.
- I am sorry that you feel dragged into it. It is not my intention. The only person I'm trying to get to change is mdayonliner. But he just doesn't seem to get it.

- users should be notified and not quietly tagged and talked about without their knowledge.
- a thread rather than tagging the user in feedback. A polite message rather than ridicule. (Unless you want ridicule and abuse to be the standard of the forum)

- if there are going to be rules about it then it should be clearly stated when you place merit & before you place merit. Not some vague rules that are not even in the FAQ. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177 Topic: FAQ: Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit

- RULES should be stated here:

Leave this guy alone mate enjoy your lunch.
Someone with little common sense will understand what is really going on here, I already stopped responding his stupidities. There are intelligent people all over the forum few stupids like these accusers are just trying to mess up to cover up their mistakes.

Ok, since you can’t find the error on your own screenshots, I’ll have to ease away the effort from you: check the “received in the last 120 days”. TXs between May 15th and May 10th are exact duplicates. See it now?

Bringing me into the discussion by being the most red marked in your post is, I can assure you, not going to help your case at all. I tend to be rather calm with situations, but this kind of gets on my nerves.

The now personal vendetta you have with other forum members should stay between you. If to defend your case you consider that dragging a third party by passer into the discussion is of any use, you’re wrong.
I actually glimpsed on previous days through parts of the accusations and replicas that you referenced. To be honest, I don’t really get my kicks from reading them and consider them childish as soon as the heat goes up, thus I stop reading them. The forum posts should be constructive and not a Peaky Blinders sidewalk fight.

Objectively, the problem is down to the following:
-   Account Farmers do exist.
-   Merit abusing does exists.
-   Both are difficult to prove, even if there are suspicious indicators.
-   Rule enforcement on account farming does exists (but I bet only 5% of the forum know which cases of alt accounts are valid and which prohibited).
-   No formal rules exist on Merit Abusing. Semi-formal steps may be taken in the shape of red tagging, but there is a contradiction between the (non) formal rules that don’t prohibit it explicitly, and the DTs which don’t have a clear guideline nor uniform criteria (I may be wrong here).
-   And then Merit has to be earned, being reporting suspicions cases one of the mechanisms, extending the initial course of action below DT level.

Formalizing rules and case set scenario guidelines, while difficult to elaborate, would help. Defending yourself by attacking others, and increasing font size doesn’t really.
There goes my lunch-break...

The images are direct screenshots. No duplication.

Just re- read it:

where merit was given and received from the same users or KNOWN

I have no intention of being a merit hunter.

It was not me who started this. I do have my own thread. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38046717

I was accused (scroll up case 17).  I explained. I was ridiculed and given an ultimatum.

Then a thread dedicated to accusing me was made here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.37915893
This is an illustration of how rediculous the whole thing is. That is my exact point. There are innocent explainations for people meriting each others posts.
You should be allowed to merit someone without fear of persecution if you think they deserve it.  Regardless of how it may look. regarteless of how someone else thinks whether it is meritable or not. (Unless it is just plain spam)

You understand my point ! It is rediculous. This thread is a witch hunt. An this  red trust removal topic  is beyond rediculous.

You seem to be a real ignoramus when it comes to acting as Sherlock.
So me giving 3 sMerit to a guy and receiving 1 from the same guy constitutes proof of Alt Account or family? Great, I won’t have to search for lost relatives since you’ll track them down for me.

Bloody hell, you could pass for the forum’s Torquemada and burn on the stakes most of the users, since many have at least sent and received from the same person a few measly merits to overtime.
Me and Tman, Me and Jet Cash, Me and Theymos, and a long list of other members  are all relatives or alts according to your basic criteria.

You’ve even got the proof images wrong, with repeated data on them. Just goes to show.

You should man-up, open a your own personal new thread, and report every user that has sent and received a single sMerit, since that is your primitive criteria with no second thoughts on how to detect feasible cases.

You are a flagrant case of a merit witch hunter for merits, which is fine by me, but as long as you get solid proof.

Seeing this, I propose to stop meriting witch hunts altogether…

There is nothing in the rules that says that your smerit decisions will be scrutinised by a blackmailing  ultimatum giving - spam clown with some warped interpretation of the rules.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mdayonliner-4019640  Scam Accusations >  - mdayonliner

Just breath... Calm down mate. Here is an archive of your post. You already massed up my topic with all these quotes and images.

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I wish I could but there are so many cases I am investigating that I have actually no time to PM individuals asking for explanations. That's why I always leave the RedTrust removal link on the tag I give.

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See? Wake up call! You woke up after my red trust. I guess you are so busy with self gain that since last Jan 24th to recently you had no clue?(!) I already laid out your excuses: [Parody] Merit translation. Your excuses are nothing new to me. Demn.... Just look at the merit history!

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Would you care to highlight your picks from the link you provided? Please do it.

10 for providing customer service https://prnt.sc/jjwniy
2 for providing another customer service https://prnt.sc/jjwnyx
7 for this https://prnt.sc/jjwo8a (?) Seriously?!!

This forum is not Cryptopia's customer service portal FYI.

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Sorry mate I don't even know you, my world does not circle around you at all LOL

- Seriously(!) Be my guest my friend. I will give you 24 hours of time to admit your mistake on my red trust removal topic or I will bring this issue in public and will take feedback from the community. You think I care about your red turst? The reason I will bring the issue in public to prove that I my ground is right and yours is wrong.

- Merit is not here to reward just because someone's advice is helpful for you.


- I have no interest whatsoever to blackmail anyone. You are living in your self created wrong concept.

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LOL you are living in a world where you do not have even a single clue that you are talking about.
Seriously mate, Did you even click the link (Joe's Signatureless Challenge: Win $25 + 4 Merits every week!)? Did you see the topic owner is me? LAMO.

Please please do little homework before proving someone wrong for something. Please.

Is there anything wrong? Come on!!!

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Anyway 24 hours (click for countdown) to admit your mistake or I will ask feedback from the community since I need to prove my ground is right to the community.

Case#19

mdayonliner is endorsing giving merit away as "prizes" in a signature campaign and his signature is "for rent". Win $25 + 4 Merits every week!






Here there is evidence that there is "merit abuse" by his alt account or "brother"




Edited https://i.imgur.com/Jnge3sr.png / replaced previous image with error



Most merit obtained from posting in threads with "merit" as the subject. (I probably even missed a few)

It is clear to me and others that "merit" is extremely important to you and that it is the motivation for some of your conduct.

It shows motive

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38101744

The red is where merit was given and received from the same users or KNOWN alts / family.

Why do I care ? - normally I wouldn't.

But I am holding you to the standard that you are applying to others.

Do I think you exchanged merit  ? - yes I do. Not just with your brother. Just check the matching dates.

Do I think you are merit farming with targetted posts  ? - yes I do.

I've given you the same replies you give others. HERE

It made you really angry and you haven't answered the accusations.

Why am I doing this ? To point out the hypocracy of your actions.

Appreciate the feedback. I will be adding more soon.

Nice job to catch all these merit abusers. I'd like to see guilty ones tagged and "their lives ruined" (local meme  ) So many cases of merits traders tags and yet they still shamelessly send 20-50 merits to alt accounts or buyer. God knows how many of those abusers are waiting for a right time to exchange merits when nobody looking.

Case#18

dance2009, winterrose, Big Game and valtin

valtin's merit summary

Received StallionMosquito sr. member Activity: 490 Merit: 259 Re: Done with the topic: [New format] Merit Abuser Gang [Now 18-1 cases] May 12, 2018, 10:38:47 AM #64 mdayonliner copper member Activity: 630 Merit: 420 We are Bitcoin! Re: Done with the topic: [New format] Merit Abuser Gang [Now 18-1 cases] May 09, 2018, 11:53:05 AM #63 Case#17 xtraelv and Lafu xtraelv's merit summary Received mdayonliner copper member Activity: 630 Merit: 420 We are Bitcoin! Re: Done with the topic: [New format] Merit Abuser Gang [Now 18-1 cases] April 23, 2018, 08:38:55 AM #62 Case#16 musdafakfl, macit800, BitcoinTurk, rasputincoin, onurgozupek, mhanbostanci, saulzaents, ozma03 , mstfprcn, Kalemder, krhnrhn, HakanYAZICI and srmecdes     BitcoinTurk's merit summary Received vit05 hero member Activity: 672 Merit: 526 Re: Done with the topic: [New format] Merit Abuser Gang [Now 18-1 cases] April 21, 2018, 06:38:54 PM #61    macit800 Kalemder BitcoinTurk https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30279887 BitcoinTurk receive   macit800 (10), Kalemder (5) gives: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=511692 gives 7 to Kalemder 3 to macit800 It seems to be an exchange of merits. Could you investigate? Because I could not tell if they are legitimate or if it is really an exchange of merits between them. mdayonliner copper member Activity: 630 Merit: 420 We are Bitcoin! Re: Done with the topic: [New format] Merit Abuser Gang [Now 18-1 cases] April 20, 2018, 03:34:34 AM #60 I would add Zoom2k too with the network. Case#15 Zoom2k, opium, Kuala Lumpur     zoom2k's merit summary Received Indohunter member Activity: 154 Merit: 24 Re: Done with the topic: [New format] Merit Abuser Gang [Now 18-1 cases] April 20, 2018, 01:48:48 AM #59 Kindly check this account. opium, Kuala Lumpur Clue : 30 merit in total. this is the list posts from Kuala Lumpur merited by opium 15 merit : January 25, 2018, 03:12:44 PM 11 merit : January 26, 2018, 03:13:10 PM 3 merit   : February 06, 2018, 01:30:18 PM 1 merit   : February 12, 2018, 06:38:10 AM Opium's Merit Sumary Received Pages: « 1 2 3 4 » Bitcoin Forum>Other>Meta Jump to: Please select a destination: Bitcoin => Bitcoin Discussion ===> Legal ===> Press ===> Meetups ===> Important Announcements => Development & Technical Discussion ===> Wallet software =====> Electrum =====> Bitcoin Wallet for Android =====> BitcoinJ =====> Armory =====> Mycelium =====> Hardware wallets => Bitcoin Technical Support => Project Development => Mining ===> Mining support ===> Pools ===> Mining software (miners) ===> Hardware =====> Group buys ===> Mining speculation Economy => Economics ===> Speculation => Marketplace ===> Currency exchange ===> Gambling =====> Games and rounds =====> Investor-based games =====> Gambling discussion ===> Lending =====> Long-term offers ===> Securities ===> Auctions ===> Service Announcements =====> Micro Earnings ===> Service Discussion =====> Web Wallets =====> Exchanges ===> Goods =====> Computer hardware =====> Digital goods =======> Invites & Accounts =====> Collectibles ===> Services => Trading Discussion ===> Scam Accusations ===> Reputation Other => Meta ===> New forum software ===> Bitcoin Wiki => Beginners & Help => Off-topic => Serious discussion ===> Ivory Tower => Archival ===> Chinese students ===> Obsolete (buying) ===> Obsolete (selling) ===> MultiBit ===> CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware ===> Корзина => Politics & Society Alternate cryptocurrencies => Altcoin Discussion => Announcements (Altcoins) ===> Tokens (Altcoins) => Mining (Altcoins) ===> Pools (Altcoins) => Marketplace (Altcoins) ===> Service Announcements (Altcoins) ===> Service Discussion (Altcoins) ===> Bounties (Altcoins) => Speculation (Altcoins) Local => العربية (Arabic) ===> العملات البديلة (Altcoins) =====> النقاشات ===> إستفسارات و أسئلة المبتدئين ===> التعدين ===> النقاشات الأخرى ===> منصات التبادل => Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) ===> Mining (Bahasa Indonesia) ===> Altcoins (Bahasa Indonesia) ===> Trading dan Spekulasi ===> Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya ===> Topik Lainnya ===> Marketplace (Bahasa Indonesia) => 中文 (Chinese) ===> 跳蚤市场 ===> 山寨币 ===> 媒体 ===> 挖矿 ===> 离题万里 => Hrvatski (Croatian) ===> Trgovina ===> Altcoins (Hrvatski) =====> Announcements (Hrvatski) ===> Off-topic (Hrvatski) => Français ===> Vos sites et projets ===> Hors-sujet ===> Actualité et News ===> Débutants ===> Discussions générales et utilisation du Bitcoin ===> Mining et Hardware ===> Économie et spéculation ===> Place de marché =====> Produits et services =====> Petites annonces =====> Échanges ===> Le Bitcoin et la loi ===> Wiki, documentation et traduction ===> Développement et technique ===> Altcoins (Français) =====> Annonces => India ===> Mining (India) ===> Marketplace (India) ===> Regional Languages (India) ===> Press & News from India ===> Alt Coins (India) ===> Buyer/ Seller Reputations (India) ===> Off-Topic (India) => Italiano (Italian) ===> Guide (Italiano) ===> Progetti ===> Discussioni avanzate e sviluppo ===> Trading, analisi e speculazione ===> Mercato =====> Mercato valute =====> Beni =====> Servizi =====> Esercizi commerciali =====> Hardware/Mining (Italiano) =====> Gambling (Italiano) ===> Accuse scam/truffe ===> Mining (Italiano) ===> Alt-Currencies (Italiano) =====> Annunci ===> Raduni/Meeting (Italiano) ===> Crittografia e decentralizzazione ===> Off-Topic (Italiano) => Nederlands (Dutch) ===> Markt ===> Gokken/lotterijen ===> Mining (Nederlands) ===> Beurzen ===> Alt Coins (Nederlands) ===> Off-topic (Nederlands) ===> Meetings (Nederlands) => 한국어 (Korean) ===> 대체코인 Alt Coins (한국어) => Русский (Russian) ===> Новички ===> Бизнес =====> Барахолка =====> Обменники ===> Идеи ===> Кодеры ===> Майнеры ===> Политика ===> Трейдеры ===> Альтернативные криптовалюты =====> Токены =====> Бayнти и aиpдpoпы ===> Хайпы ===> Работа ===> Разное ===> Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin =====> Новости =====> Юристы => Română (Romanian) ===> Anunturi importante ===> Presa ===> Offtopic ===> Market =====> Discutii Servicii ===> Minerit ===> Tutoriale ===> Bine ai venit! 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