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Quote from: AlexSimion on January 16, 2020, 12:29:18 PM

Though I find it completely sketchy for them not to allow the withdrawal at least to go to pending while they hot wallet gets replenished . Normally when he tryed to withdraw his balance should've been removed and the withdrawal to be pending while they replenished the hot wallet .
Maybe Megadice are doing it on purpose ? Going on the probability that if a user won't be able to withdraw / his balance remaining intact on the account the said user might continue to play improving the odds of him losing the balance .

We can reassure you that we had it like this since day 1, even back when satoshislot was a separate site in 2015, i would say. There is no intention to do anything, just that we find it bad to lock user funds so that we wont be able to do anything with them. We may consider such functionality though, so that someone can decide to lock funds for withdrawals if he wish.

That is clearly your fault, 19 BTC is missing from your newalias account and you credit the bonus 0.25 BTC as congratulations but why don't you also accept what your players have won. You should not take a legitimate balance from your player and lock it because of your wallet problem. It's a pity that the site was popular in its time but not anymore.

Kindly read the whole thread and our answers. We already explained, with logs also, that when this user reached the peak of 19BTC, instead of waiting, he made another 2000+ rounds! And since he run out of luck, he tries to defame us and trying to negotiate. If he stop gambling, would we negotiate paying him 19 BTC? Ofcourse not.

Furthermore, newalias started trying to defame megadice from the very beggining of his winnings (even when he had 6 BTC in wins) without even waiting for the support to respond and refill HW. Our support was really bad, yes,but this does not prove that we are not legit.

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Quote from: MegaDice on January 16, 2020, 06:19:37 PM

Quote from: AlexSimion on January 16, 2020, 12:29:18 PM

Though I find it completely sketchy for them not to allow the withdrawal at least to go to pending while they hot wallet gets replenished . Normally when he tryed to withdraw his balance should've been removed and the withdrawal to be pending while they replenished the hot wallet .
Maybe Megadice are doing it on purpose ? Going on the probability that if a user won't be able to withdraw / his balance remaining intact on the account the said user might continue to play improving the odds of him losing the balance .

We can reassure you that we had it like this since day 1, even back when satoshislot was a separate site in 2015, i would say. There is no intention to do anything, just that we find it bad to lock user funds so that we wont be able to do anything with them. We may consider such functionality though, so that someone can decide to lock funds for withdrawals if he wish.

That is clearly your fault, 19 BTC is missing from your newalias account and you credit the bonus 0.25 BTC as congratulations but why don't you also accept what your players have won. You should not take a legitimate balance from your player and lock it because of your wallet problem. It's a pity that the site was popular in its time but not anymore.

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Quote from: AlexSimion on January 16, 2020, 12:29:18 PM

Though I find it completely sketchy for them not to allow the withdrawal at least to go to pending while they hot wallet gets replenished . Normally when he tryed to withdraw his balance should've been removed and the withdrawal to be pending while they replenished the hot wallet .
Maybe Megadice are doing it on purpose ? Going on the probability that if a user won't be able to withdraw / his balance remaining intact on the account the said user might continue to play improving the odds of him losing the balance .

We can reassure you that we had it like this since day 1, even back when satoshislot was a separate site in 2015, i would say. There is no intention to do anything, just that we find it bad to lock user funds so that we wont be able to do anything with them. We may consider such functionality though, so that someone can decide to lock funds for withdrawals if he wish.

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Though I find it completely sketchy for them not to allow the withdrawal at least to go to pending while they hot wallet gets replenished . Normally when he tryed to withdraw his balance should've been removed and the withdrawal to be pending while they replenished the hot wallet .
Maybe Megadice are doing it on purpose ? Going on the probability that if a user won't be able to withdraw / his balance remaining intact on the account the said user might continue to play improving the odds of him losing the balance .

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This is a very sensitive topic that we have to tip toe around and can't really make a claim 100% sure.

For one there is a person on one side that has claimed they lost 19 bitcoins without gambling and even if they did, they gambled because there was no money in the hot wallet that they can withdraw, so they were forced to either wait for it or continue gambling, that shouldn't be even an option and should be able to withdraw whenever they want, if you give people the option to have 19 btc, you have to give them option to withdraw 19 btc as well.

On the other side we have a casino who has a gambler that lost 19 btc that wants it back, they provided the proof of all the gambles and logs, now they are being charged with scam because they are not paying someone who all in their logs shows that gambled the money away. Providing the hot wallet or cold wallet address won't change any of this, even if they have zero or hundred bitcoin what happened won't be reversed. I honestly can't say whose side I am on with these data we have been provided with.

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Quote from: adaseb on January 16, 2020, 12:56:26 AM

The user still didn't get back to my previous post, concerning if he was using some bots to place his bets. If he used some bot then I am assuming he forgot to turn it off or it had some bug somewhere.

No, I did not use any sort of a bot. Most spins were done using autoplay feature of the slot, with a limited number of spins.

Getting the logs from my internet provider should indeed be hard, as I do not think that this data is even recorded. And: It was two months ago, thank to MegaDice support (which I think is calculated).

MegaDice still did not post any further logs with IP and UA and they still did not provide ominous cold wallet proof.

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Quote from: game-protect on January 15, 2020, 07:39:06 AM

With the logs of his internet provider he can prove that he was not logged in at megadice.com when the losing bets were made.

Yes but most likely this would be next to impossible to get. You would need a court order because there are privacy reasons concerns. And no judge in the world would grant this just to prove some crypto case.

Then there are issues if the user was gambling with his mobile device which is very possible these days. I usually gamble on my home computer, when I leave the house I usually do it on my phone and my IP pretty much changes every few hours/days since I am using LTE.

The user still didn't get back to my previous post, concerning if he was using some bots to place his bets. If he used some bot then I am assuming he forgot to turn it off or it had some bug somewhere.

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Quote from: newalias on January 14, 2020, 05:27:32 PM

Quote from: MegaDice on January 14, 2020, 05:12:05 PM

The attached logs are taken directly from our AWS server, which is were the slotgames are. Logs are taken from that server, and also we are open to give on public the IPs, User Agent of each and every call that this user made.

I agree on that.

Quote from: MegaDice on January 14, 2020, 05:12:05 PM

Regarding our hot wallet, we are having indeed delays refilling it, and we are trying to fix this so that the hot wallet will get refilled "automatically", so to speak. By the way, yesterday we processed withdrawals of over 18 BTC, mostly for our investors but also for some players ( that were suffering from the Empty hot wallet issue).

You are still ignoring my request to prove funds. Where is the problem, preventing you from even answering to this request? In your initial post years ago, it was no problem to prove 200 BTC funds, and now it is?

Figures from your system are not transparent, the blockchain is. Th 18 BTC withdrawals stated can be fictitious, as your log files are.

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Quote from: MegaDice on January 13, 2020, 12:52:51 AM

Something very important that we need to mention is that Satoshislot is a provable fair game. How someone can play Satoshislot in the first place, and then claim that we (the operator) scammed him. Satoshislot's provable fair mechanism is publicly available and users can verify each and every round on their own.

So a very crucial question arises: If the user really thought that Megadice was scamming him, why he did not just check his rounds, before and after the spin ?

Just to make sure your technical understanding is sufficient: Your provable fair algorithm allows the player to verify each spin of SatoshiSlot. I do not claim that the outcome of spins were faked. I claim that you adjusted my balance to 0 (and blame spins that I never did), that is something your provable fair verification is not able to cover, as it happens solely in your pages database.

Your argument and your "very crucial question" is just nonsense.

Our Hot wallet is being refilled again, and another investor just withdrew another 4 coins (and he will remove the scam accusation). We will work towards posting publicly the cold storage and we are already working on fixing the long delays between refilling.

We understand that you are unhappy with you wager results and that you claim that you never continued betting. Maybe you had a bot and you were using this to play and didnt manage to stop it? Our logs indicate that you indeed made a lot rounds and we could have AWS to prove that the calls were indeed made by this IP (and that we didnt fake any IP calls/timestamps etc) and then your ISP can verify that this IP indeed accessed our API endpoint at that specific timestamp. MegaDice and Satoshislot has paid much bigger wins than 18 BTC though, and if you had stop gambling, you would have got the winnings in your account.

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With the logs of his internet provider he can prove that he was not logged in at megadice.com when the losing bets were made.

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This is generally the issue with anything that is centralized. Its impossible to prove whether the logs are real or fake. From taking a quick glance they do look real, and I understand why Megadice can't include anymore info posted publicly.

But I also find it strange if he indeed was lying and did keep gambling until he lost everything. Most gamblers who lose everything don't generally make scam accusation threads saying that they were scammed because they lost everything by gambling but it wasn't them gambling it was the site who gambled for them and lost everything. This is why most people who make scam accusations they generally say stuff like "Your site has to be a scam because I rolled 15 reds in a row, etc".

Its impossible to prove, unless maybe with a court order, who is telling the truth here or not.

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Quote from: MegaDice on January 14, 2020, 05:12:05 PM

The attached logs are taken directly from our AWS server, which is were the slotgames are. Logs are taken from that server, and also we are open to give on public the IPs, User Agent of each and every call that this user made.

I agree on that.

Quote from: MegaDice on January 14, 2020, 05:12:05 PM

Regarding our hot wallet, we are having indeed delays refilling it, and we are trying to fix this so that the hot wallet will get refilled "automatically", so to speak. By the way, yesterday we processed withdrawals of over 18 BTC, mostly for our investors but also for some players ( that were suffering from the Empty hot wallet issue).

You are still ignoring my request to prove funds. Where is the problem, preventing you from even answering to this request? In your initial post years ago, it was no problem to prove 200 BTC funds, and now it is?

Figures from your system are not transparent, the blockchain is. Th 18 BTC withdrawals stated can be fictitious, as your log files are.

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Quote from: MegaDice on January 13, 2020, 12:52:51 AM

Something very important that we need to mention is that Satoshislot is a provable fair game. How someone can play Satoshislot in the first place, and then claim that we (the operator) scammed him. Satoshislot's provable fair mechanism is publicly available and users can verify each and every round on their own.

So a very crucial question arises: If the user really thought that Megadice was scamming him, why he did not just check his rounds, before and after the spin ?

Just to make sure your technical understanding is sufficient: Your provable fair algorithm allows the player to verify each spin of SatoshiSlot. I do not claim that the outcome of spins were faked. I claim that you adjusted my balance to 0 (and blame spins that I never did), that is something your provable fair verification is not able to cover, as it happens solely in your pages database.

Your argument and your "very crucial question" is just nonsense.

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Quote from: AlexSimion on January 14, 2020, 02:47:40 AM

Quote from: adaseb on January 14, 2020, 12:13:45 AM

I took a quick look at the logs and I am wondering if you were using some type of bots to make these bets. Its certainly possible to make 2943 bets by hand however from what I can see the bets are spaced apart by 3-6 seconds or so. I haven't found any large gaps in the logs which might indicate you took a break to go to the restroom or what-not.

So I am assuming you used some type of bots and maybe you forgot to shut it off and it kept betting for you by mistake until it drained your balance. Did you use some type of API with a custom made bot or were all these bets made manually with actual mouse clicks?

This is the only thing that makes sense.

I don't know anything about game logs etc , but from the way it looks it seems that is very easy for these logs to be manufactured by anyone . Especially considering this was provided after more then 2 months by megadice sine this issue started.

The attached logs are taken directly from our AWS server, which is were the slotgames are. Logs are taken from that server, and also we are open to give on public the IPs, User Agent of each and every call that this user made. The ISP of "newalias" could verify if those are legit or not, i suppose

. As i stated above, we have already sent those to the Curacao eGaming and we will also send it to any supervisor that may ask them. It is very unethical that 'newalias' is still trying to defame MegaDice by threatening us and trying to label us as scammers. He continued gambling, made more than 2000 rounds after his 19BTC win, and eventually he lost them all.

Regarding our hot wallet, we are having indeed delays refilling it, and we are trying to fix this so that the hot wallet will get refilled "automatically", so to speak. By the way, yesterday we processed withdrawals of over 18 BTC, mostly for our investors but also for some players ( that were suffering from the Empty hot wallet issue).
Our main goal is to be more active here and in the support emails, and i think we are slowly doing some progress.

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To chime in, in fairness of megadice, I know someone that recently did some fairly large withdrawals from megadice and received them all... so while I can't speak to the sluggish support or other claims, they have processed at least some larger withdrawals in recent history.

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Quote from: adaseb on January 14, 2020, 12:13:45 AM

I took a quick look at the logs and I am wondering if you were using some type of bots to make these bets. Its certainly possible to make 2943 bets by hand however from what I can see the bets are spaced apart by 3-6 seconds or so. I haven't found any large gaps in the logs which might indicate you took a break to go to the restroom or what-not.

So I am assuming you used some type of bots and maybe you forgot to shut it off and it kept betting for you by mistake until it drained your balance. Did you use some type of API with a custom made bot or were all these bets made manually with actual mouse clicks?

This is the only thing that makes sense.

I don't know anything about game logs etc , but from the way it looks it seems that is very easy for these logs to be manufactured by anyone . Especially considering this was provided after more then 2 months by megadice sine this issue started.

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I took a quick look at the logs and I am wondering if you were using some type of bots to make these bets. Its certainly possible to make 2943 bets by hand however from what I can see the bets are spaced apart by 3-6 seconds or so. I haven't found any large gaps in the logs which might indicate you took a break to go to the restroom or what-not.

So I am assuming you used some type of bots and maybe you forgot to shut it off and it kept betting for you by mistake until it drained your balance. Did you use some type of API with a custom made bot or were all these bets made manually with actual mouse clicks?

This is the only thing that makes sense.

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Quote from: AlexSimion on January 13, 2020, 02:16:03 PM

Why don't you get a lawyer and go after them ? It's a huge amount of $ .

Yeah, but Rakki N.V. is based in Curaçao, maybe for a good reason. This means that I have to throw money away in order to sue them. Obviously, they are bankrupt.

Nevertheless, I am thinking about that. I am not a poor man and sueing them should prevent them from stealing more money from other customers.

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Quote from: game-protect on January 13, 2020, 02:24:13 PM

Quote from: AlexSimion on January 13, 2020, 02:16:03 PM

Why don't you get a lawyer and go after them ? It's a huge amount of $ .

Game Protect enforces valid casino claims using lawyers, but so far he did not had any interest!

Well I doubt he'd be looking to get scammed a 2nd time.

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Quote from: AlexSimion on January 13, 2020, 02:16:03 PM

Why don't you get a lawyer and go after them ? It's a huge amount of $ .

Game Protect enforces valid casino claims using lawyers, but so far he did not had any interest!

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Quote from: newalias on January 13, 2020, 02:01:32 PM

Quote from: MegaDice on January 13, 2020, 01:33:52 PM

So, according to you:
When you win big -> Megadice is legit and must pay winnings
But when you lose big-> Megadice is scam and must negotiate to pay something at least!?

No. According to me, I did not gambled my money away. And I know what I did and what I did not.

Quote from: MegaDice on January 13, 2020, 01:33:52 PM

Furthermore, here you may find every single spin you made on Satoshislot

I do not need to spend time in validating files you created yourself in the last 10 weeks. 10 weeks for a casino support, it would be funny if you were not stealing my money.

Quote from: newalias on January 13, 2020, 11:21:58 AM

Quote from: newalias on October 30, 2019, 02:47:50 PM

Maybe MegaDice should provide evidence for their cold wallet...

This is outstanding since years. Maybe it is a good time showing that you are able to pay wins like 19 BTC?

What about that?

Why don't you get a lawyer and go after them ? It's a huge amount of $ .

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Quote from: MegaDice on January 13, 2020, 01:33:52 PM

So, according to you:
When you win big -> Megadice is legit and must pay winnings
But when you lose big-> Megadice is scam and must negotiate to pay something at least!?

No. According to me, I did not gambled my money away. And I know what I did and what I did not.

Quote from: MegaDice on January 13, 2020, 01:33:52 PM

Furthermore, here you may find every single spin you made on Satoshislot

I do not need to spend time in validating files you created yourself in the last 10 weeks. 10 weeks for a casino support, it would be funny if you were not stealing my money.

Quote from: newalias on January 13, 2020, 11:21:58 AM

Quote from: newalias on October 30, 2019, 02:47:50 PM

Maybe MegaDice should provide evidence for their cold wallet...

This is outstanding since years. Maybe it is a good time showing that you are able to pay wins like 19 BTC?

What about that?

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