Topic: Members Asking For Donations To Help Poor People (Read 546 times)

Another donation scammers
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/looking-to-start-a-donation-project-for-pakistan-779448

Connected accounts: dmz241, elmanchez

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Yes sadly the bad apples are the ones that put a shade on the good work of others that might be trying to do something positive to help those in need. Scammers could easily have made a tidy amount of cash for themselves after appealing for donations so the donor really has to do a lot of research before parting with their crypto.

It's not always 'the poor'. It could be a straightforward emergency such as a natural disaster. It could be building infrastructure that does exactly what your quote advocates. In both of those cases there are - some - longstanding organisations who'll do a rather more professional job than some rando on here.

I too believe in this; but then when I see old people neglected by society in poor homes and such; when our collective society has failed as a social system, what do u teach them? Or the babies who r at an orphanage?

There will always be ppl who cannot be taught and even if they r capable, covid has rendered them helpless; eg there is a construction site close to my house; work wasnt taking place for like 2-3 months and they werent paid their dues for past 2-3 weeks too; what do u expect to teach them?

Just posting my opinion here, not trying to make someone look bad.

There have been trusted users who are raising money for donations - this is not a bad thing as long as you trust them. Point is that I believe in Karma. If they are scamming then they will be punished because the donators are giving in good faith, that is the least we can rely on.

It is like similar to the unspoker rules of the internet that "Every user on the internet is male unless you know them in real life" , similarly if you know them, well and good.

However I have never been a supporter of donations for poor. I have always followed the ideal of "Teach the man how to fish and he will feed himself". Giving money to someone might make you feel good but it does not solve the problem.

Anyway, the ones who are organizing these charities, good luck to them. It is the choice of the person donating to trust them or not. If they are making a wrong decision there is no way to find out easily, nobody forced them to donate anyway.

This is true. Several people have posted about this, it is always better to try to find people closer to your own area who might need help rather than send crypto or cash to people that might be doing a good charitable job but are considered untrustworthy by the donor.

Unfortunately that's a common occurrence in my country and that is also why I'm over cautious... Infact even charity has been over shadowed by mafia and their ilk.

P.S. None of the posts are claiming any misappropriation on part of Royse; please don't take it personally and keep up the good work.

Great thinking, I have somewhat of a similar idea. Donating to people here in the forum is simply not an option for me but it seems several users have done it. Just feeling strongly about a cause should not be enough to part with crypto, there is so much more to it than just sending your donation.

I wish you success in your charity work. I hope the small group you work with manage to get larger in scale and manage to help more and more people who are in need. The fact you verify them before parting with food stock is an excellent thing, I hope you continue your excellent work.


Just like I also have a problem with large charity organisations because they take a huge share of donations to pay staff salaries and for various administrative costs and how much of that actually goes to good causes?

I never considered about whether asking for donations was against forum rules but there are threads created specifically for the purpose of charity, they have been around some time therefore safe to say "asking for donations" threads are not considered the same as "begging" otherwise they would have been removed by now.

You are giving your money with good intention that's all that matter I believe. Now if you give in good will and you just gave your money for the poor now you do not know whether it will reach the poor or not but you have faith in it. Or the best thing you can do it you give directly to the person, instead of helping people from other countries why not spend on your country on your own people/neighbors/relatives?

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They operate in different ways, I have seen those offering payrate per rank although when comparing to other campaigns their payrate are using very small and most time those wearing the signature ads are just volunteers, giving out their signature space in place of donations.

I guess why I'm so positive about charity is as a result of seeing them working perfectly in my region but I understand why others are against it and won't be opposing if the community decide to put a stop to them functioning on the forum. It's an easy avenue for scammers to decieving others into sending them their coins. Sad but we just have to leave with that.

Yeah,,,agree with you. Couple of month earlier one social media posts took my attention and it was made by an asian news agency where they mentioned that in some middle income asian countries a group of people forced homeless childs for begging in the street. Most horrible thing is that they use physically disable children for this and take a fix amount everyday from their daily earning.

Its always better to donate for the right purpose and you will easily find helpless people around you who are struggling to manage their food, clothes and living place. Atleast you won't have to think about your donated fund spend for right purpose or not.

I am glad to read you will never send money to people asking for donations, I would prioritise my own concerns for the honesty of the people behind any project over any people that might be promoted as being in need of support.  

As for you saying you hate charities as most as scammers where you live, the truth is many are like glorified organisations that have a huge expenditure for salaried staff and advertising/promotions and the work they do to help people in need is not maximised as the donations are partially be spent elsewhere.

I have seen charities operated by users here in the forum being promoted on signature campaigns in the past. Not sure how that deal worked out, if there were payments involved or not.

I already broke it down to some sort of figure to be honest.

It is applicable for all those big names/foundations. On the street you will see those young people are chilling out and have a bucket with strikers of any charity foundation or talking to you and trying to join you to their charity are paid jobs. Most of them works in commission based so more push more money for them.

I agree with you, though I wouldn't go so far as to use the word hate to describe my feelings, since at least some of them do some real good in the world.  The problem I have with charities in general is how they use their donated funds--you think all the money you give a charity is going toward whatever the charity's purpose is, but the reality is that most of it goes for administrative funds or other uses that don't help anybody but the charity itself.

As far as people on bitcointalk asking for donations, I thought that was against the rules--though I'll admit I haven't read the rules in a while and don't remember a specific rule about charity-giving.  The no-begging rule I'm well aware of, and I've reported a few threads for that even though the members were claiming the funds were going to go toward a good cause. 

But even if it's allowed, I'd be extremely careful sending bitcoin to anybody here no matter what they say or who they claim they are.  There are scammers everywhere, and the way I see it is that it's more likely it's a scammer asking for your donations than a legitimate charity.

Same case here! I do appreciate ppl helping others, but I usually do my own charity; I formed a small group here in my town and helped people get food and stuff; but always verified them personally; that's how I like it.

Keeping your failed attempts at sarcasm aside, I suppose the only comments of some relevance are probably these:

- "But this is disrespectful saying something like this openly when you do not have an explanation. May I ask what's your problem?"
- "Can someone quote this post and ask to read this. A response on this would be nice. I am offended to be honest."

What I wrote is not disrespectful and I am not obliged to provide an explanation when I wrote it, nor am I too concerned when you state you are offended.

Also I would say that I have no problem with you other than noting your regular comments in recent threads regarding the feedback I leave for users, it shows there is more to your comments. I understand they are just your opinions and you are entitled to them, therefore from my perspective it is fine for you to leave whichever comments you want to in those threads about me but your motives for doing so are probably rooted elsewhere.

I would never donate through here. It doesn't matter what it is, who it is or how convincing they are. If I felt strongly enough about a cause I would seek out someone dealing with it on an existing basis and force some BTC on them.

I would never send any money to those people and I would never wear a signature of those organisations no matter how much they pay.

It is just wrong.

I hate charities in real life too. Most of them are scammers. (maybe I am kinda biased because they are mostly scammers in where I live)

In our cases, we actually verified the best possible way we could.

Followings are some process we have done so far:
- Calling the hospital
- Asking medical papers with singed date then cross-check the medical papers, in some cases even to talk to some users on the forum who are physician in real life.
- Interviewing the seeker even once by calling them over phone.
- Appointing a somehow trusted forum user from their local to investigate the case
- Selecting trusted users from the forum and ask them to help us by helping their own community

To do all these things, I, Hhampuz, Lauda (when she was with us) and other guys (investigators) sometimes spend a lot of time, and we do it voluntarily. Sure JollyGood can question anything if he wants but before doing this he should be looking at the cases instead of ignoring. This is very offensive behaviour and I do not appreciate such moral.


You are not actually seeing where is your money is going to be honest. Are you very sure that on the other side that boy is receiving 100% that you are giving?

Think once - You are paying for all the expenses they have. Starting from printing, posting to expense of maintaining their full organization (office space, transportation, marketing, inventory, salary everything). Somewhere I read a publication that if you give $100 to a charity, only less than $40 goes to the person in need. You are wasting more than $60 and feeding those smart guys instead of the boy that is in the picture.

But hey, I am not saying it's bad. It's not good to know that every $60 of the $100 I am giving is using as expense of the charity I am supporting. You want to support a child or a poor fella in need? Go to the nearest train station, bus terminal - find those homeless people and give them as much as you can. Do it regularly. P2P.

Take: Crypto donations are less expensive in fact no expense at all.