Topic: Mempool full? Long transaction times + fees x10! - page 3. (Read 1256 times)

 

Is that the new social drama? There are 12 "ass-kissing wannabe fangirls of Core" who are probably "Pro-Ordinals" too? That's confusing, because from the information I collected, the leading Core developers like Adam Back and Luke DashJr are anti-Ordinals. But no one really believes what franky101 posts unless you're a franky-fan-girl. Read his trust-rating.

I very much doubt this. Their opinions on the subject are probably far more nuanced than anybody posting here. Unlike us, they are taking time to consider all the ramifications of potential coding adjustments to counter "blockchain spam," or if any adjustments are necessary at all.

They are carefully weighing the pros and the cons of any potential changes instead of just mindlessly repeating their first impression opinion for the 40th time.

Referring to the Ordinals Attack as a "meme spam" is diminishing the attack and is very misleading. The Ordinals is not an attack because they are injecting "memes" into the blockchain, it is a spam because bitcoin blockchain is not a cloud storage service.

In other words even if they were publishing something like the cure for cancer on bitcoin blockchain using Ordinals Attack method, it still would have been a malicious attack.

yes there are many types of spam

the main types are:
spending every block where funds just go back to self.
some call it address hopping/tumblers where someone wants to create enough taint jumps to appear that their funds are not associated with the same wallet, even though its just movements done with the same wallet with over XX+ different addresses of that same wallet

many out many in
this is where someone spends like 10,000sat+ to make 100 outputs+ of 100sat+. and then spend said 100+utxo of 100sat+ to combine it back to 10,000sat+... and repeat
where its obviously not being done to pay 100+ random people. but done instead just to coinsplit-coinjoin

sending dust amounts
these are the transactions that send dust/useless amounts to famous addresses

bloat transactions
making large transactions that have no reason for being so large EG ordinal memes or op_returns that have nothing to do with ownership transfer and just about publishing dead weight data of no use for bitcoin

right now the most spammy situation we are dealing with is the ordinal meme spam

its not just having the bloat on the blockchain. its that at the PRE-BLOCK zero confirm relay. these bloated tx are filling mempools amd causing other transactions of low fee to get dropped by peoples mempools thus causing everyone else to pay more just to even get left in mempool and relayed around the network to eventually land in a block

I don't think all 12 are pro-spam. Its pointless to mention ordinals since that's only one of the spam sources. This is not just against ordinals, but the whole spam "ecosystem". Spam abuse was demonstrated publicly by them first in a large scale, that's their merit, devs doing nothing about it, is another matter...

And yes the people should know.

Lets just say my lightning experience was less than satisfactory, compared to a normal transaction, the layers of complexity for end users is a magnitude higher. I basically ended spending 5k sats to get a 10k sats tip in the end, and there were like 3 normal transactions involved, opening a channel, swapping because not enough funds, whatever. And guess what, those were affected by the current spam traffic situation. People can't just tip you a random amount like you can with a normal transaction, it mustn't exceed certain amount the person giving the tip is unaware of. One way was creating the invoice with the amount so it can warn you if its not enough with the channel you opened. Yeah, this is not Bitcoin...

blockstream and sister companies chaincode labs and brinks do not seed-fundraise hundreds of millions for nothing. most of the wannabe fangirls are not getting a share of promoting blockstream products because they are still penny pinching sig-spam crap for less than minimum wage of western countries
(if they were successfully paid in salary terms they would not need to be scraping the bottom of the income barrel for small income)

those in the merit cycle game get paid to rent their avatar out, again for less than minimum wage..

both of which shows they are not getting a satisfactory salary to not need to be penny pinching/advertising risky systems, scams and things that get people in trouble

that sounds like a strange situation indeed. i'm assuming all 12 of them are pro-ordinals for sure. but maybe not? what's the benefit of being on the "PR team" do they get chocolate chip cookies or something?

yep this forum category is not for coming up with critical proposals that get implemented. its not cores github and god-mode achow ensures only those ass kissing cores existing roadmaps get discussed in this forums D&T category

this "bitcoin discussion" category is a discussion forum category to make OTHER people aware of things about bitcoin

if core devs need to rely on this forum category to find out about exploits they caused. we really are in trouble..

its about informing everyone else of dev exploits and problems

the devs have their own hierarchical platforms for them to discuss what plans they have for what they want bitcoin to do next. and those platforms are highly moderated,

so yes for critical proposals, this forum is a collapsing thought bubble

but as a source of information for the crowd, its a growing platform

i know people think twitter is the main source for information. but there is a heck of alot more social drama and ICO scamming and fake narrative games played on twitter than here

twitter is the advert for the noobs to first hear about bitcoin. they then come here for the information,, and then if they kiss enough roadmap applicable ass they can then get recruited/evolve into being allowed to converse with the devs in an echo chamber of single mindedness development

oh and yes i do agree there is like 12 ass-kissing wannabe fangirls of core on this forum that idolise these exploits and defend devs.. but are not successfully getting recruited into being their official PR team because they are still penny pinching for income via sig spamming or merit cycling each other

but with all that said. this forum is a discussion/talk forum. where yes we are free to discuss complaints. because complaints are not allowed in the actual dev platform. they don not want or like to be scrutinised in their moderated platform. (they have a kiss ass only echo chamber) which is another flaw they caused to themselves

1-10 persons is not loud, 100-1000 is louder, 1000-1000000 is loud enough. Everyone was having fun ridiculing Satoshi and his ideas in 2009-2010 but it's not funny anymore now?

I guess size isn't significant for retarded NFT buyers. Cryptodickbutts are also quite small. It's all about the hype. 

But this monkey is 28740 bytes
https://doginals.com/shibescription/479332346fb7043d41520d9d291df653eca85f54964f75d7d4e6cb8a4590cc20i0
the image is 720x704 pixels so that's a pretty much full size image. 

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying actually doing something to attempt to rectify what you consider to be a problem will go miles further than just sitting around here basically spamming the same complaints about it over and over.

And you're not even loud. Almost nobody will read this except for some sig campaigners and franky1. This place is a collapsing thought bubble, from which a little more air escapes each year.


Its tiny for image data. 10k is the theoretical maximum although I'm not sure anybody has actually done that yet. Most of them have a max size of 1.5k and look like this full-sized:



https://doginals.com/shibescription/9ca704a862eb1fea235212804e5dd951409a91dd93a62b4888788788b1625e76i0

i wouldn't call 10,000 bytes "super tiny". you can store alot of data in 10,000 bytes. that might be a good way to backup important data - encrypted of course. wonder how much it costs. 

many have tried but not so many have got passed the moderation gateways to even get anything close to a proper fix listed as a formal bip

its not as simple as just write a bip and have it listed in cores bip list sandbox. there is a hop, skip, jump routine required to do a 'long jump' of landing in the sandbox of core bips

do you not find it strange how god-mode achow is trying too hard to edit the moderation policies of not just this forum but also of the IRC, mailing list and github

and its not "consideration on github" its 'consideration by 6 hierarchy highly privileged  maintainer entitled devs of CORES github repo'..
whom consider things and reject ideas at the moderated discussion phase before it even gets to the BIP list stage.

you know the central point of failure guys that opened up the exploit but have not done a thing in months to undo it themselves and not allowing formal submissions of fixes.. because fixes go against their CORE roadmap. so they try to avoid fixes even at the discussion phase.


these exploits have been slowly opened up more and more layer by layer since the anyonecanspend debates of 2016 (opcode activation/utility issues)

but instead of fixing the issues. they find work around to allow the issues to persist while wasting more time moderating out discussions of issues

We will bring it up until someone who can do something, does. For example the patch for nodes to filter the spam, that's a start. Something more "proper" needs to be written, sure, perhaps YOU can do something about it?

Talking about the issue is the first step. It's important! Discussion helps to clarify the issue and generate ideas. What you're saying now is: shut up and do something but real quiet so nobody would find out. No! We're going to talk about this nasty issue and we're going to do it LOUD! 

That's not irony. It was the solution to your problem. Just keep the tip in a custodial wallet until you are ready to open your own Lightning channel and then send it to yourself.


That's not a solution. How are you going to do that? Have you written a BIP regarding limiting Taproot script length and submitted it for consideration on GitHub? Have you attempted to contact anybody who can potentially do anything about it?

No i don't, someone just offered a LN tip and i just gave it a "quick try", and after it finally opened the channel (the following day), and providing an "invoice request" it didn't work for whatever reason. I don't like lightning, kick those spammers out so that everyone can use Bitcoin for normal transactions again.

The irony of the thing is you telling people to go "custodial". No, the solution is kick the spammers out, things simply worked fine before the Feb exploit.

Custodial lightning wallet was exactly the solution to that particular problem.


Technically the block size is already bigger, 4 MB as was tested and proven not too long ago. If you're looking for an even bigger blocksize there's two other coins that have "Bitcoin" in their name for that.


Indeed its a smaller-sized blockchain than BTC. That's not a bad idea but alas as Bitcoin Cash does not have SegWit its an impossibility, at least in the form it uses on BTC. They are all over Litecoin because it has both SegWit and Taproot. Peeps even tried it for Dogecoin with P2SH scripting and called it Doginals but its no fun b/c the image sizes are super tiny (1.5-10kb).

Right now I feel like it's a flashback from 2017! Bitcoin Cash, big blocks does it ring a bell? Actually, why don't that ordinals guy just put his dickbutts on a Bitcoin Cash blockchain? It's probably empty anyway! 

OK, I merely had a different impression.


Opinions? Annoyed because of paying for higher fees, and waiting for a confirmation longer than usual is not merely an opinion, ser. It's truly annoying.

Complaints? Please read through my post history and tell me where I had a negative opinion about specifically Ordinals. In fact, I always try to give everyone, especially the newbies, a non-biased/objective viewpoint about it. I also said it's remarkable, BUT the things that can be built out of Ordinals could open opportunities to attack Bitcoin.