Topic: Merit abuse (Read 622 times)

Thanks for informing us, I'm not active during that time so maybe I missed that update. The 2 minutes was an exact cooldown to avoid those glitch, the only thing I was doing is to wait for the platform to reconnect and check if the merit was sent or not.


Good thing for you since Google translation was not quite accurate and it's very hard to understand if they're translated into English. I saw that effort of yours to help other people even you're not the one who should be helping them. I mean, moderators/higher-ups of the local should be the first to look at their fellow members since they're in the same community with same mother tongue. I'll try to report if I found someone to boost their motivation to create another topic that might help our community. I didn't expect that there are too many threads for developing and boosting each individual especially beginners. I notice that higher-ups are trying to make a good path for the newcomers, at first I thought people are just promoting each platform and all about business. The community is changing little by little and soon it will constantly breed a quality posters.

I can only speak for myself here, but I have very little enthusiasm to trawl through pages and pages of posts I can't understand in a language I don't speak on the off chance of stumbling across one in English. I have, however, merited quite a few post in the Polish section previously (after reading them via Google Translate or similar) because they have been brought to my attention. I would suggest if you are seeing good local posts which are not being merited, to report them here: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. There a quite a few sources who check that thread and have merited posts from various local sections.

Thanks for checking that. The 2 minutes seems to be a longer interval than I would have expected, however, you do have to go through a splash page to confirm the new connection, so it is something that I will have to watch out for in the future. Probably the best thing for me to do is to close the merit awarding page if I lose a connection. Once contact has been reestablished, then I can resubmit the award if it hasn't been recorded.

I was going to apologise to the community for this double spend, but the whole thing seems to be a bit petty  for just 5 merits. The good thing is that this thread has allowed me to award some more merits, but I would have preferred to give them for political or technical help posts.

It was fixed, back on the 29th of December 2018:
The double spend being discussed would have happened anyway, since despite it being prior to the fix (22/12/2018), the two TXs were 2 minute and 34 seconds apart. I get similar “bugs” when I’m retrieving information to update my DB, whilst at the same time trying to merit a post. In my case it’s due to firecloud getting too many petitions from the same IP, but also public wifis tend to disconnect or have micro-interruptions. Regardless, this is not the issue.


Really, there I not much of an issue at all. It doesn’t matter whether it was 5 or 10 merits. Currently, 7.976 5 sMerit TXs have been handed out (2.824 10 sMerit TXs). People are entitled to go through the merit TXs, and that is why they are made public. Nevertheless, awarding criteria is fortunately diverse, and that is the whole point of it. Not all will agree neither with the fact of meriting a given post, nor with the quantity, but that is down to diversity of criteria here, not to abuse.

I also wanted to fix this glitch because sometimes when I'm giving merits, it usually doubles the number of merits. If I gave you 1, then it'll become 2 because of the poor internet connection. When you click the "send" button and it the browser loading is too slow, clicking "send" again or not will double the sent merits.

What if adding a cooldown of 30 seconds on giving merits to avoid this glitch and also to avoid merit abuse. At some point, alternative accounts are being used to provide merits to another account especially when he/she is rushing to join the bounty(some bounty requires merits right?).


Imo, if Jet Cash has a lot of time, he can check each local section to provide merits. There are some posts that are written in English in our local so he/she can manage to distribute the merits to a lot of persons. For some members that are striving too hard, 1-5 merit is a huge amount for a beginner.

NFI what you're saying there. Try English maybe? One of the best posters LOL


How does this imply that merit transactions cannot be questioned? You can question it all you want. This particular post was not a total shitpost, not posted by JC's alt as far as we know, so yeah - it's up to JC. Which part of this is too complicated for you?

My question is genuine. Your response today what that the post in question would not have been appropriate if sent to an alt, which implies some posts would be appropriate if merit was sent to an alt. If you have already answered this question ("Is it ever acceptable to send merit to an alt or a “family member” with or without quotes"), perhaps you can point me to where you have previously answered this.

I beg to differ:

I want you to fuck off. Will I get my wish? This has been discussed and you participated in the thread so I don't for a second believe that your question is genuine.


It's a good thing that I didn't imply any such thing. Otherwise you'd be doxing me for saying things that you don't like.

I want to get you on the record in this. Is it ever acceptable to send merit to an alt or a “family member” with or without quotes?


Lol

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On a lighter note....I was under the impression that bitcoinblockchain was supposed to fix the “double spend” problem.

And yet the guy in the quoted post is still a Newbie.

It is most definitely a friend who wanted these merits to rank up, and then decided not to.

For all the retards around here, please go read the definition of irony and sarcasm.

The double spend error seems to be the most common, but if awarders only give a max of 5 sMerits, then I don't think it is significant. The deliberate abuse should be the main focus, and the awarders won't be reversing those.

Actually merit sending completely depends on sender & I think every single merit sender have different point of view to give someone merit. I believe every single merit have great value because its the component which encourage our community users to provide quality works.

Without having proper evidence of merit abuse its not a wise decission to raise complain against any merit sender. But on the other hand its true that several alt accounts holder try to develop their accounts by merit abusing. Sometimes its can be typo mistake during merit sending for which sometimes we see large number of merits on some topic that doesn’t worthy for it. In that case if there were any reversed option for merit senders that could solve this issue. This option could be like senders will be able to fix his/her mistake within 10 min if they find exceed merit sent by mistake.

I mean to be honest, that's really how it goes. They just cycle the smerits around and then give them back out to the newbies and other members on the forum.
Merit doesn't really matter anyways because once you hit hero, it's basically the same.

Off topic though, who really cares about a title? Does it really matter when smerits are cycled through the people who are already legendary/hero? They just get more smerits to give out to the other contributors on the forum.
The only thing merit gets you is a higher pay rate in signature campaigns unless you have like shitty post quality then you'll just get booted out. So??

Well I've given the above posters 10 merits each, so you can have a whinge about that now.


and that doesn't include my source merits, so nobody that is creating a decent post for me to see is going short.

Oh! Neither of them is a frock puppet of mine either.

Look like somebody shifted the focus from Lauda to JetCash.

I never thought/dreamed that somebody will try to create controversy using JC name.

Anyway I guess , Theymos have already read this thread and since Merits are not reversed so it is not considered as abuse.

Jet Cash gives our merits to his friends to everyone like candy. Fixed that for you.

As you can see from the forum data, Jet Cash is the 23rd most generous merit sender. As you can see from LoyceV's data, Jet Cash has merited 444 unique users, well above the current averages of 156 unique users among the top 200 merit senders and 232 unique users among the top 100 merit senders.

There are some people you could pick on for sending merit to their friends, but Jet Cash isn't one of them. Regardless, even if he was, please see below (emphasis mine):

Jetcash gives out merits to his friends like candy.

Jetcash states he is starting a new club of those with 1000 earned merits. LFC_Bitcoin says he wants to have 1000 merits. Jetcash just gives him 5 for saying he wants more merits.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49692389

Hey, youre still new. Why do you keep bragging about merits rather than focusing on other helpful things? Dont be that greedy. If you post interesting posts then you will get it after. Theres no favoritism happening in the forum. If you are giving merits on your alt accounts which are too obvious then youll be labeled as merit abuser.

Merit, if that's the problem I don't think it's being questioned, in giving Merit.
You can catch a glimpse here: ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/breaking-mixing-services-5117328 ) the point is, people who give fun and make sense of posts that are made.
That can't be said to blame Merit or an alt account.

Another story about misuse account Merit (alt).
As far as I know, the account connected with Merit is like this: ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50427401 ) Merit is rotated from account (1) to account (2) and (2) to (1) and you must be able to prove with other evidence to be strong, such as ETH, BTC, twitter, facebook etc.

Well, what happened with, ( Princemachiavelli ) I think it's natural for someone's sympathy, and what if this happens to you, you sure sure to be happy, isn't it.

I don't remember the full details, but I do have trouble in finding good posts, and I decided to award 5 merits to the guy for starting the discussion. I thought it could become useful for those members who were considering starting a mining project to learn about Bitcoin. I still intend to do this myself, but I've got too much to sort out at the moment.

If somebody looks into the merit award, they will see that it is in fact 2 awards of 5 merits, and they were made within a one minute period. This was caused by problems with using McDonalds WiFi , and it has happened on several occasions. McDonalds has two channels on their WiFi. One has the ID of "O2" ( their service provider ), and the other is " McDonalds free WiFi". Periodically the current channel will disconnect, and then the computer will auto-connect to the alternative. If this happens at the time I award some merits, then the computer may resend the submission through the new connection. I'm guessing that the confirmation packet gets lost when the old channel disconnects, and this is why it retries. Maybe somebody with more knowledge can confirm this.

I don't think it is worth worrying about this glitch, it is fairly rare, and it just means that one member will be lucky and get a few extra merits.