Topic: Merit Cycling - page 3. (Read 955 times)

that number will greatly reduce soon since DT2 members are serious on this issue, i notice a lot of accounts getting red tagged in the past few days. Don't worry this forum will be cleaned out as the time goes by, only serious users and interested person on cryptocurrency will stay on this forum.

I think your assumption is very good. should this topic let me directly discussed the same BTT admin. LOL

Do you really believe that all merits are always sent on a fair and neutral basis?

If not, do you think it is fair that others who have started or joined activities to get merits earn more in signature campaigns than single posters with a probably better quality?

I am a single poster and it was clear that I can not compete with merit exchanging groups or friends. And there will be probably also some kind of market for purchasing merits.

When the merit system was introduced, I was one stage prior to reaching Sr Member that requires an activity of 240. Now my activity is 280 and I am still Full Member and probably will forever.

I have seen a lot of shit and and spam posts on this forum without any consequences and as a honest single poster you have now to pay the price for not connected to inside teams!

The circulation of merits is very important, people will be able to send merits only if they receive merits, therefore, the merit circulation is very important. But there would be a time when all the members will run out of merits as a person receives one merit when the 2nd person sends the 1st person 2 merits which means the sMerits keeps getting halved. So maybe at such a time, it will be just the admins and the moderators that will be left with an unlimited source of sMerits.

Yes, unfortunately I've noticed that too. It's a pity that there are signature campaigns, at which payments may depend on merits and such people with low quality posts, but high merit work there. I hope forum moderators will deal with it.

I'm just a newbie, I've tried to learn more about the rules, and some other information relevant to how we could be a full member of this forum... Merit is just one factor to be full member... I hope sooner there will be someone to give it to me...

can someone answer me this? how we could get a merit, is it in a post/reply to someone OR should I make my own thread to get a merit?

If you do have a friend then its quiet an edge but its not really necessary because you can earn merits if you are really good on what you are posting.The entire community would able to recognize it.You shouldnt focus or confident that if you do have friend considering how many merits required for you to rank up and they cant pass up bulks of merits which would result into a violation.

I think to obtain merit, having a lot of friend here who trusted you so much was an advantage for sure. Then, if you are a newbie and don't have any friend here in the forum I think it would hard for you to gain merit. Because, in my opinion smerit is depending on your discretion or decision on which topic or to whom who gonna give a smerit whether it is constructive or not.

I think this merit system is a good idea, by itself. Because quality must always prevail over quantity. Higher rank definitely has to be earned through efforts and hard work, not through excessive spamming and flooding.
But actually, the system of merit rewarding is poorly considered, what results in regular infringements.
First, the majority of the bitcointalkers just send merits to each other encouraging only themselves.
For the second, it created "shadow" segment of the market, where the participants exchange or even sell merits, and that is very difficult to prove sometimes.
And the most significant flaw of this system is that the majority of active forum members work so hard, write a lot of decent information, initiate sometimes very actual discussions, share the ways of solving a lot of trading and other issues, but nobody ever appreciates their effort and don't even send a single merit. Why? That is quite easy to understand. The forum "whales" very rarely pay attention to "newbies'" posts (I mean not only newbie ranks) and often consider all their posts as useless junk because they already know the information provided by them, and the "whales" can't apprehend that the majority of other users don't know it and it is the useful information for others. Eventually, only the "whales" like Hero and Legendary don't need merits, they have lots of them, but they still reluctantly reward decent efforts of newcomers.
Talking about the others (Members, Full Members, Senior Members), they naturally don't wanna send their smerits because they also trying to reach higher ranks but in order to reach them, they have to collect plenty of them. And of course, they know very well how hard it is to receive a single merit, that's why nobody wants to share them, in order not to make this task easier for the others. "Why should I give it to somebody? I busted my **s out to get those merits (and rank) one by one, with hard work. Why should I pave the way for the others? It's not of my concern."

I think this system needs revision and amendments, taking into account all its flaws. My suggestion is that forum's moderators or other assigned users have to check other users' activity and contribution. If a user was active, useful for the forum, its quantity of posts exceeds the required for the next rank, such moderators or assigned users have to check their posts and participation in forum's discussions or problem solutions. And if this person finds his contribution valuable for Bitcointalk, then he might reward him with the required amount of merits (or part of it if its contribution or efficiency is still not enough) to reach the next rank if he really deserves it.

It is funny though that even in the merit system, there would still be some sort of monopoly. Also, I have seen some legendary accounts getting merited when they really do not need it anyway unless theymos want to decide to add an upper level to legendary account.

Those who need it and deserve it should be given but if anyone decides to give it to anyone they please, it is their merit, and they can decide to do it however they wish.

Just the plain fact. Sure, some people may be abusing it by giving their alt account merits even after dropping shit posts which makes it even more glaring as to how crazily annoying some accounts can be. This type of accounts can easily be flagged and reported to moderators. However, for those who are using theirs and not going against any of the rule, I really do not see why anyone should be bothered about how they share their merit.

As long as there is a room to report such activities, then I do not see why we should be complaining about merit cycling. It is expected and some will definitely be the scape goats before we start having some sanity with the merit system.

If anyone feels there is anything shady with a particular account and can show some proof, I do not see any reason why they cannot report it to the mods and since they have given room for that, then we should please do.

That's a point, but the system is still new so I am pretty sure that changes are going to be happened.
There is no chance that people will be able to send 100 merits to other people, I think that they should set a limit of 10% of your current merit, which means that if you have 100 merit available for sending, then you will only be able to send 10% of it to other people.

The real problem about merit is that usually people just keep it for themself or they are not aware of the system, so you are actually end up without getting any merits even though you have some helpful answers.

Exactly and that would really help in cleaning the system anyway. I have seen a lot of posts that actually do not deserve merit and if someone can even start from there by tagging them, it should really help a lot.

It is one thing for us to see some shady stuffs going on and it is another thing for us to expose such actions to the public rather than silently complaining about it. The whole idea is to have a sane system and as long as that keeps happening, then it is fine.

Most of the moderator will be busy by finding and searching a thousand of bitcointalk user, cause most of us will do anything just to survive this merit era( some did a good post, some are not like selling merit etc. ) . Well if the author have a enough evidence, he is free to do that for sure. The link above is good section to report those who abuse the merit era.

Global mod hilarious is really doing fine in regards with fighting on those merit abusers and the community can anytime make reports if theres a malicious or suspicious exchange with these merits.It isn't bad for those people who do exchange merits as long those post being merited are really worth of.If those post aren't good or doesn't contribute at all then its really shady and you do really have the right to report on.

Give it time and let it run for a long time. I haven't seen that there will an implementation that the merit system will be removed.

The system runs well and is helping to give the forum a way to clean with account farmers and even the buyers. At least this is effective and if theymos sees this to be beneficial to the forum I doubt it will be removed.

You can still rank up, you only have to post just the way you want but don't spam.

It is a bit discouraging to see that due to the time I joined I won't be able to rank up as easily.  Has there been any discussion by the moderators about possibly removing the merit system?

Op doesnt deserve to get tagged because he is only helping to bust those cheaters and greedy people in this forum. We should actually thanked op in the first place rather than keep complaining about his good deeds. i myself do also caught a bunch of cheaters in the past but i forgot to report them and i was also busy that time but next time they cannot get away with me if our roads Would come across again.