Topic: Merit decay (Read 1075 times)

Oh that’s interesting. Exactly how were you able to make these deductions that after earning merits and got them Smerits, it varnishes over time if not used in meriting?

Mind you, you don’t get to see a users Smerit although, you could make some calculations to it from provided data in bpip.org but still, you wouldn’t be accurate always as there could have been some merit activities within a time frame that are washed up after the range.

So how are you finding these data and getting these conclusions.

Smerits aren’t sent to profiles, that’s not accurate. They are sent on posts and it is reflected on the post while, accumulated on your profile’s merit log.

A reason why merit are not sent very often is the reverse of what you’ve captioned in your last statement. Posts not being of good quality or meritable standard by a user’s judgement.

Yes a agree that local boards should have merit sources of which I have been able to do some research and found out that each local boards has a merit source though some have little allocation of merit but how can someone register on this forum without knowing how to interact with users here in  lingua franca (English language) when most of the information here are in English which is accepted by all or is it that each local board has a language translator that helps in translating English to their local languages? Even if they have a translator, is it that they will only engage in conversations in their local languages without moving to other sections like the bitcoin discussion which is one of the major boards of this forum.

Yes you are right that mate but we can not deny the fact that there are some users here in this community that recieve a lot of merits but they didn't send it to other users but we can not blame them cause it's Thier choice to hold thier sMerits. Also you are right that mate there are merits in some local boards that help their fellow countrymen to receive some merits in order to grow in this community. But those local boards don't have  merits source then some users visit the global board in order to receive some merits.

Tons of topics have already been created related to it, and most of them disagree to decay because its nonsense if you keep holding those merit it does not have a monetary value at all it's just a token of appreciation, and also you can see a lot of quality members keep donating merit to those who really deserved, with their contributions in community, and we know merit could be a subjective matter.


Every local board has their own merit source and giving to those who contribute a lot to their local, some of the members going to other boards once they see their local doesn't have a good merit circulation at all.

Yeah it should have since it can motivate people to post a lot of good contents on their local boards since they know that there is a merit source would possibly give them a merit if they post something helpful in their community. But I guess some of the local boards are not been taken care of that's why we can see the result is not totally good since many choose to go to global sections of this forum for thinking that there post will get more recognition rather if they spend some time to post on their local boards. Yeah there are some people sharing there merit but I think that's not enough to cover the whole numbers of people seeking something good or helpful for them to reach their desired rank while understanding carefully on the topic been discussed there.

I think local boards should have merit source because that would help a lot to enable the locals that do not go out due to their language difference be merited. I believe their are lot's of good post that have not been over looked  as a result of the fact that the locals do not visit the general board or apply for a review as a result of language difference barrier.

Of lately, the community have been in a bubble of merit saga which is not going down well with her members.  As a result of this there have been a call needing the attention of the admin to look into the local boards application for merit source and I believe the admin is doing something about it and would announce it in due course.

In fact, if the cycle keeps turning, there will be good Merit transactions. and now I think the active members of the forum are aware of that. The merits they had would be useless to them. distributing it to those who deserve it will be more beneficial.
but we still have to understand that each person has different criteria for posts that deserve merit or not. just believe that when we distribute Merit to those who deserve it, then we will also get it in the future. it will come back to us.

None yet so far and I think all people is good on current situation since usually people spread out their smerits to people they think deserve to get it or simply giving back what you receive a merit to other people.
Its just our smerits are so limited that's why sometimes we cannot help other people who's in need to get merits especially those deserving newbies who post some good post in this forum to help them achieve their goals. Hopefully we can see a lot of new merit source especially on local boards so that we can see a good circulation of merits and lots people will rank up.

But for now people should do all they can to contribute so they can receive a merit then gain smerit to share to other people.

Exactly and that's my perception, too. I don't know why some if not many posters here in this thread are still blabbering about sMerit decay. To my knowledge this has never happened. To those blabberers: please stop spreading unchecked rumors or false information, such spreading is a disease!

IIRC when the Merit system was announced by theymos there was a clear statement from him that there's no decay, but he could implement it. There's no point in hoarding your sMerits, maybe except when you vividly oppose the Merit system and refuse deliberately to be a part of merit points flow.

What do the blabberers not understand here?


Never happened to my knowledge. It may be different with sMerits that merit sources receive monthly, but those sMerits are special anyway, as they're created out of thin air for merit sources specifically. If a merit source doesn't distribute its special sMerits given monthly, I think they'll receive less special sMerits in following months. But what do I know, I'm no merit source, I read about it somewhere in this forum.

Yes that is just the reality and welcome idea, but many have the stand that smerit remain their own as they work it out themselves and can't be persuaded as the choice to release it lies within them, which is quite understandable. but regards to quality post allot is already in the forum which can be meritable for any having such possession without release can not be of help if promoting others we should at first gave the impact feeling that the young shall grow and we need people to take over our good work or else it die off growing people up transit and bring in continuity to any good work we have put in place.

So far, I have not heard or seen anyone on this platform complaining of their smerit vanishing or been taken away from them. I think it is an individual choice to decide on who to merit based on their post as it deserves it or not.
 I still believe that some people who found their way here without anybody guiding them might really have no idea about the smerit and how to access them but I believe with time those set of people would definitely learn to access it and do the needful by spreading out their merit to those who deserves it through their quality posts.

many user's in this community have different alt accounts and when they have a serious of workload the thing will affect their thinking and composition of articles in response, so when you read some persons post you can see that it's not comprehensive any longer,  so we can not blame merit sources because they have not seen a thread that catch their attention, and that's while some threads remain unmerited because their response is not formative, they are writing in the forum to meet up their weekly quota..so many alt accounts that is in forum is what's increasing spamming in the forum.

Merit sources have their own life and they don't receive anything by distributing merits. They do their merit source task as volunteers and you can not ask merit sources spend their 24 hours per day to read all posts in the forum to find good posts and distribute all sourced merits.

The biggest reason is forum lack of quality posts, does not lack of sourced merits.

I counter back on this. Many old topics that were created before the merit system birthday, are good in quality and received a lot of merit, more than younger topics since 2018.

Well, maybe that is the real reason why currently even some Merit Sources are not distributing much of the Merit they have. Because too many posts are general and not very interesting. It doesn't even seem very useful. But I sometimes explore old topics that were created when the Merit system didn't exist yet. And I was actually quite surprised because in the past the quality of posts on this forum was not as good as it is now. In other words, after the Merit system was introduced, the quality of posts on this forum increased quite rapidly. Where the quality of the discussion is also very well directed. And everyone tries to make their posts useful. But nowadays unfortunately everyone who has sMerit seems to have increased their ratings too. So even quality posts do not necessarily get merit at this time. In fact, I have collected several quality posts made by users on this forum that have not been awarded Merit by Merit Source. In the past I really liked providing a list of quality posts to Merit Source. And usually they will be given Merit. But for now I haven't done that for a long time. And maybe I should start doing it again. I realized I didn't have good quality. So what can make me useful in this forum is probably having to go around looking for good posts and submitting them to Merit Sources.

Do you know one of the major reasons why some persons doesn't earn a merit, its because of the low quality post they make, when you are a low poster you can post hundreds posts without earning [1 merit ] the most of people who earn a merit is people who work hard, I'm referring to before not now, at of that previous time like two years ago merit can be earn free but now a low quality post is earning a merit someone who is quality poster can not earn because of exchange of merit, so this forum has been polluted and that's while many people is lacking merit, those who bank sMerit do that because of they do exchange of merit

One should not hoard sMerit because there is nothing beneficial in it, especially since sMerit stored for a long time will burn out over time. sMerit obtained from accumulated Merit should be spent to help other members speed up their rank up, except for shitposters who only pollute the forum with spam. Everyone should appreciate every member who contributes to the forum with quality posts that can benefit other members. Giving Merit to other members should be done because the aim of implementing a merit system is to help each other or support each other to speed up rank up. Merit is not like a valuable asset like Bitcoin because it cannot be bought and sold and cannot be stored for a long time.

I quit don't get it, if smerits are been given to you just so that you can grow then it makes sense to take your unspent smerit away from you if you hoard them for too long, but mind you, is it fair?

Merits are rewarded to quality posters, they earned it, so they should be able to do what they like with what they've earned, don't you think? Who they are going to send their smerits to his the earners choice, this shouldn't cause problems.

Anyways, I don't even see any needs to hold smerits, I most times send them away when I got merited, there is no benefits in storing smerits on your account while reading through so many quality posts on the forum anyway.

I have thought about It My dear , But i cannot place My thought in any reasonable answer , the essence of send able merits is for them To send It accross To any quality post that worths meritable, but on a second thought I realised also that some individuals are very stingy in nature and they may think that hoarding more sendable merits on their profile will make them grow so fast .

In addition I also realised that most of them keeping sendable merits don’t explore the forum and  probably don’t read threads made by others , however, merits are meant to circulate across the members who have made quality post and a nice constructive post , so let’s try and spread our sendable merits to encourage others to grow.

The only way we can avoid this is if the person whose merits are getting decayed, stays active on the forum and contributes towards it.
I don't think there is any other way out for it. Merits only decay if the person is inactive for a long time or decides to hoard his merits which makes really no sense.

To my knowledge there hasn't been any sMerit decay so far. Show proof otherwise!

And due to sMerit sources getting sMerits on a periodic schedule, sMerits are also not really a scarce asset. It doesn't make sense and doesn't benefit you particularly to hoard sMerits. If some users do so, well, not my cup of tea.

In the beginning of my account I rarely sent out merits. Once I realized that this is not beneficial for me and for those posts which deserve to be merited, I changed my behavior. Now I'm mostly out of sMerits as I don't hodl them for long. The disadvantage of quickly redistributing sMerits is that I have rarely enough sMerits left to give more than very few merits to a worthy post.

You can't have all the cherries on a cake...

If a user does not send his sMerit, that user does not care about sending it and if his sMerit decays by the forum, he will not care about it.

Issue only with decay of merit because it is related to account member rank but the admin does not want to decay either merit or sMerit.

Forum has monthly sourced sMerit to merit sources and forum community don't lack of sMerit to circulate it.

There are two flows of sMerit, from merit sources and from forum members who are not merit sources. Problems on sMerit circulation only occur if both flows stop.

But still its up to the user if he want to use his smerit and I don't think merit decaying is an issue here since not all care about that since maybe they are not active giving merit to anyone and just give when they see a much more helpful post to the community but on normal day they are not much generous for sending their merits to somebody that they don't know.

On some point smerit supposed to be sent and not to hoard but we can't force people to do what they don't like or been lazy to do that's why we should wait for people to give their smerits and be thankful if we receive from generous people  here.

Yeah this sM merit decay issues has been on discussion for some time now and least I could say is that it is the sole right of any user to distribute his or her sMerit or not, however I don't think the sMerits decaying  process has been implemented because no has seem to   have  complained about a missing sMerits.

Op though it's a matter of perception for me this your post broading my understanding that some hold smerit and it decay but as much is personal, one can only send to who it's chooses conceptionally, not being persuaded I will not say much about it. I distinct myself not to be border with someone privacy.

Ordinarily I think the forum is design to show love which run the system and make it more lively though I stand to be corrected as this your assertion may not actually be correct because I can say you have no proof or evidence to show, but if that happens to be true i don't see it to be ideal, but since is a matter of privacy one can't persuade person right.

You actually earn them, but it has to be sent or "transfered" to you by another member. So you have to make good and constructive posts and other users are going to send you merits if they like what you have posted and they think it deserves merits.
Mind you that there are quite a lot of users who don't care about the merit system (both sending and receiving merits), users like these don't care if they get merited and they hardly merit posts, TBH i won't call them selfish. I think we already have enough participants in the merit system, so we do not have to bother about those who don't care about it. Theymos just needs to add more MS's and increase the allocation of some existing MS's.

sendable merit is a personal choice to whoever the person wants to share the merit to because you can merit a post because of the quality many people find it very difficult to come across of quality post they feel like the post to what a merit before they can give the person merit, despite that sendable merits is meant to give another fellow that does not mean that you will allocate your sendable merits to a garbage posts, we have to follow some certain principles before we give out our merits, when we check  round you can see that many people is not researching before they create a thread, what people that have smerit is a quality posts that is inspiring

I like how you made it look easy but indeed it's easy to comprehend. Some members don't see it that way, they only think that is theirs which is true but what's the point in keeping it for over a year? Are they keeping it to buy a bucket load of Bitcoin? No, and if you ask me I think some don't know how to distribute the sMerit to deserving post on the Forum.

Yeah, obviously holding sMerit is not a crime, and it's everyone's choice whether they want to send the merit or hold it. Because he earns it by himself. But for the sake of argument, I agree with you, but my opinion is that sMerit should not be held, it should be distributed to members. Because just as seniors gave you merit for applying for your post, you should also give merit to deserving people. Community work is done in such a way that all people perform the work together through a cooperative. 
 
So it's meant to say that sMerit is everyone's own, whether one gives it or not but in my opinion, it is better to give sMerit. Because only through this can we grow the community, i.e., prepare new people to carry forward the legacy of Bitcoin. 
 
I will say again, no criticism is meant, only the purpose is to explain.

I don't think holding the sMerit is a crime on the Forum and everyone has the right to do whatever they feel like to their sMerit just like everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
To some they feel if they hold their sMerit for long that it will multiple to their main merit, this is something I expect from newbies but it seems even a high ranked member is guilty of this act and is not really a big deal. I also don't think the sMerit will decay if kept for long.

It is either some or the forum users think holding S-merit is also as holding assets. Lol
Some are actually ignorant that S-merit even exist or if them have one. I can tell it that most of the forum users in this platform who displays professional here are not really what they posses.

I could actually remember a time I had some S-merits without my knowledge that I as a beginner who acquires merits can also Merit others posts but I was illiterate to the extend of saying.... I wished I had S-merit else I would had merited lot of posts interesting to me. Not til I get took a deep breath and studied how this merits works and then I was able to utilize my S-merits although I have never had anyone decayed.

Each user can decide whether they want to be involved as a merit contributor or not. The decision is not against the rules and personally I can't possibly force them to spend it. So far the OP probably needs to know that sMerit won't rot if not spent - it might even remain spendable after the user has been asleep for more than 2 years.

I don't remember if I ever reminded someone to spend sMerit instead of holding it - but it sure is nice to have them distribute it and increase circulation. There's no point holding sMerit - it won't make them any better.

I wouldn’t label anyone as being selfish for not participating actively in the Merit System (taken to the extreme, Satoshi’s account would lead the rank). As I mentioned before, there are people that have earned a pretty penny in terms of Merits, and do not engage in handing their sMerits around. If they’ve made decent enough content, earned a bunch of Merits, derived half a bunch of sMerits, and decided not to play the meriting game, so be it.

One can always choose to award a post with Merits or refrain from doing so, by taking into account whether the sMerit accounts here and there, though it’s not something that I take into account (I may have at some point, though it sounds like a distant memory).

Quite a few Merit Sources don’t deplete their 30 day sMerit allowance, let alone chip-in into their personal sMerits (they’re two separate counters). For the most the above would, on the one hand, trickle back to the Merit Source only 50% of the unwanted sMerits that the account had to begin with, and on the other hand likely just add more personal sMerits (and Merits) to the Merit Source that won’t be used for quite some time (Merit Source sMerits are always used first, and only when the counter reaches 0 do the personal sMerits come into play).

In my opinion, you made this post to try to get people who don't give out their smerit to give it to others. You are also correct when you says that some people find it difficult to give others smerit; merit encourages users to put more effort into their posts and encourages serious discussion on the forum. However, giving merit is not something that is forced upon you; if you don't think a post is interesting or worthwhile, you should decide whether or not to give it.

Also, based on the thread observation, I believe you are attempting to convey to readers the idea that some users require the merits of those who possess smerit. This is my first encounter with this type of post (merit decay), so I'm not sure that people who have smerit let it wasted, because everyone one in this forum are trying to build each other by giving those who make a good post to make sure they keep it up and before you see the users who post a good post will begin to rank up.

Merit is what you earn and sMerit is what you send or "transfer". If you want to learn more about Merit and sMerit I suggest you read the threads I'll share below.

Merit & new rank requirements
FAQ: Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit

also, I checked your post history, I suggest refraining from necro bumping threads if you are not going to add something significant to it.

are merits only transferable? can't people earn them?

I think you guys got this sMerit decay idea all wrong. Earned sMerits never gets decayed. Nope, you could have it for as long as you exist on the forum. Accounts that got airdropped merits over the years have still got the earned sMerit from them if not sent voluntarily.
Only merit sources have there sMerit decay active and it works by some specific calculations put in place by Theymos.

Oh! I think I get the point of OP with this comment.
My advise for OP would be, instead of OP to be poke nosing and having a lot of concerns with how users chose to manage or distribute there sMerit, OP should do himself or herself the favour of looking more inward and improve on post quality, patterns to post arrangements and how to use special icons on the forum for better presentation. That would help the users growth more.

i understand what you mean, it's true that i also see it as something that is quite unfortunate, but we cannot force someone to be able to distribute the smerit they have because it is their right to be able to send it to anyone or not at all. but even though it is their right not to distribute their merit, i see that people like that are selfish people, where they prefer not to distribute their merit even though there are many quality posts on this forum that need to be appreciated with merit. or if they don't have time they can give their smerit back to the merit source to be redistributed to posts that need it.

that is to tell you that op is very interested in merit and the person that brought op to the forum maybe didn't tell op the important of merit and the implications of begging for merit, indirectly op is begging for a merit since what it does is to continously creating a numerous merit topics that concerns merit in order for people to give hm a sympathy merit, their is nobody that doesn't need merit and its being allocated to a user due to the post of the user, op should be working on how to make posts that has not made before in the forum I think that will give it a better chance of earning enough merit

Your account is still very new, you created it a few days ago, and you haven’t received any merit. I should have asked you maybe it decays or something happened to your smerit. How do you even know that smerit does decay? You should say it’s not healthy to have smerit and not to give it out, instead of you saying it’s not healthy to have smerit and let it decay, because I haven’t seen that smerit does decay. I don’t know how the OP knows that smerit does decay, and you are also following what the OP said.

If you claim you are holding your smerit just because you don’t see any posts that are worth it, then you are just deceiving yourself, because lots of people are taking their time to make contributions to the forum. So if you are not giving out smerit, you don’t just want to give it out, but I don’t think you will complain that you are not giving out your smerit due to a lack of quality posts on the forum.

The remaining merits that are in our account to send to others are the remaining merits but will not be of any use to our account. Those merits are usually transferred to other members' accounts based on the quality of the posts of other members' accounts and how informative the posts are.

There are many members who want to transfer their excess merits to other members but they don't and they keep the remaining merits in their account. Only the specific user knows how much merit is left in his account so I think if another member posts well and if the post is informative then he can be given the remaining merit which will increase his motivation. If a junior member posts better than him according to his position and if he does not qualify even after posting well then he will be disappointed and will not have much interest to post in that forum later.

I don't think is a good habit, but there are some users are very busy some times to check if there is a sendable merits but those that knew that there is a sendable merits and they allow it to decay, that is a bad habit because sending that sendable merits to someone that took his or her time to make a quality post in the forum can make that person to continue improving in quality post.

I came to discovered that newbies, members and full members don't allow merits to decay before they will send it to those that will be motivated not to give up their journey than to continue acting till they achieve their goal in the platform.

So far my stay here, I have never seen any complaint from any member talking about his or her smerit getting decayed or retrieved by a merit source or admin, but rather, it is only a banned account that can no longer be used any more that we can say so. I think we can categorize to that effect because once an account is banned, there is every possibility that the account would not be active here again, which means there is no way that account can send merit out. So therefore, we can say that the account smerit decayed if I am not mistaken.

Irrespective of the fact that an account is inactive for a long time, as long as that account is not banned and has smerit, that smerit would be there for the account owner till they remember to visit the platform again. In essence, I do not think smerit can be decayed.

You are right but there is no way you can spend out a merits in a ban account, so directly or indirectly we can consider that as decaying except the merits allocator will take them back after confirming that such account has no chance of restoring it back. As long as account is gone then there is no need to think about the merits that account has because everything will be disabled automatically, that account can only have back their merits when there is anything possibility to operate back in the forum.

I don't know that if an account was banned, the account owner can not use it to send sendable merit.

Even this is true, the rest is untrue. Sendable merit of a banned account is not decayed after the ban. It still exists in that account, like total merit, total sendable merit. If the Merit send button is disabled because of the account ban, it can be enabled again if the account gets a second chance and unbanned.

Seems like your information is true.
[FIXed] Banned accounts can still send merit.Update.

For knowledge so far never read any post about merit decaying and merits can only decay when that account is ban which you can't have access to be able to send out those merits at this juncture it is automatically decayed. If someone is not sending out their merits you should look if that profile is active or not because most people do make post that attracts merits after some while you won't see them online to start distributing their merits to other people accordingly sometimes when reputable users comes across that profile they finds it very difficult to merits those profile.

Ddmr has said it all... There has never been a time I heard someone complain about smerit decay ...never! I've also had like maybe 2 smerits kept for over months and months and it doesn't disappear.. I think Theymos wouldn't make anything compulsive...

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for sure, there was actually a time I learnt that some meritsources do have them smerits desolved for the same reasons; if they actually delayed the circulation and they got some new monthly refills - I'm not a merit source and i dunno how authentic the information was but that's it.... I also Learnt that Ratimov sometimes HODL smerit for his generous reviews... I dunno what to believe anymore.

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You don't have to criticize other users; I don't think any member of this forum will be delighted to see their sendable merit decay, so the profiles you might see with some smerit the smerit may not just be there for no reason; perhaps they never see their selection of great posts to merit. Please be aware that not every forum user is required to engage in every section of the various parts present here. Therefore, in certain sections, you might come across some excellent posts that merit consideration for those individuals whose profiles you checked and found smerit, but they might not be actively participating in those sections.

To be honest, holding onto smerits is bad, but you shouldn't hold it against anyone because there could be valid reasons why they don't want to exhaust all their smerits all at once, if not worth exhausting the smerits they may have.

Yes, you're right. They left the forum, which was the only reason they focused on the other side.  That's why they have a long gap in this forum.  When they come back here, they don't know if they got their qualities right.  But because of their return, a little beautiful side has been revealed for us. We can know or learn more from them.

And that's what am inquisitive to know if under such circumstance by virtue of the reserved right by the forum admin if the decay has been experienced by any member of the forum at any point in time due to hoarding or the user not sending it out let say for a few months. And, maybe those users that left the forum stayed away for a very long time to focus on other challenging affairs of life and, later returned back to the forum to take off from where they stopped. They are in my opinion the right people to tell us if actually any S'merits they left behind got decade during the period of their absence or not.

Am still a beginner who doesn't know much about merit decay but when Ever I want to send merit to someone, I usualy see a warning of merit decay on the merit sending Dash board. check this below the second to the last line, it is written that they have the right to decay unused merit, there is no point hording Smerit. Keeping it does not benefits you, and they deserve to decay unused merit in the future. Meaning its possible. Just that I doubt if people have left their sendible merit to see if actually this warning works.

Actually all of us have different perspective on how we spend our sMerits or we hold it forever and  also we all know that holding sMerits it not prohibited but  what's the point? cause we can not gain more achievements by holding our sMerits  so technically speaking we should give our sMerits to those users who created a good post or reply. Anyways we can see many inactive users who are receiving bunch of merits form merit source so it's expected that those in active users have a lot of sMerits.

The answer is no, I believe you are following up on the comments of other members and you have heard from them how merits don't decay right? I have not experienced it before and am yet to see any post or comment sighting a members merit got decayed after a long period of time for not sending it out.
On the issue of some members not sending out their merits, I don't think it's a big deal since it is their merit and they have the right to send it to whomever they find their post worthy or attractive. Personally I think merits should be the last thing to be discussed here since it's something that is freely given and freely received.

Additionally, sMerit are spendable merit. I know it's not a healthy practice to have sMerit and let it decay, but it's up to the owner whether to spend it or not.
But there are many people in the forum whose posts are worthwhile and provide useful knowledge for others. So it will be an excellent routine to spend your sMerit rather than having it rot and become worthless.

Perhaps you need to worry less about what another member does their Smerits as it’s literally theirs to do whatever they deem fit with it.
It’s common knowledge that hoarding Smerits doesn't add any benefits/perks to one’s profile so there isn’t any good motive on why one would hoard their Smerits.
I don’t think it’s cool to hoard Smerits but I also wouldn’t tell someone else what to do with their Smerits. It’s theirs to give out anyways.

There are plenty of members who are active and are quite generous with their Smerits. Perhaps you should focus more on getting some from these members.

You don't tell people what they want to do with their earned merit, if they find your post worthy enough, I'm very confident they will give you without thinking twice. It's true that some people don't send out their Smerit and that could be for some reasons. It could be that they don't see good quality posts, it might be that they don't write in English frequently and they are more active in local board than the main board, it might also be that the person doesn't like you, this might sound harsh but some people have their favourite people they check their profile and give to the posts they think they deserve it.

I want you to know that we have more than 20 merit source in this forum, if one active user doesn't give you, the rest will give you and if you are active in doing things that deserve merit, not only the merit source will hive you, even normal people that engage to post will give you merits. It's depend on your efforts and how active you are in the Forum and how valuable your posts are to the public and don't expect to get merited for all your efforts, you might even do quality things that deserves merit and you wouldn't get that moment but when anyone comes across it, they can give you if it's worthy and deserving.

You didn't offend me in any way as our elders do tell us that "advice isn't a curse' and moreover, this is beginners and help session so whatever you know you can relate to me as a newbie in other for me to grow here don't hesitate to let me know I think that was why this session was created in other for legendary like you to help newbies/beginners like us on how we can go through in the forum so i welcome your advice and i say thank you I'm grateful!

No, no, I don't want to offend you. And yes, it is normal that newcomers are interested in increasing their rank. I think everyone who came to the forum after the merit system was introduced remembers his first merit and the person who gave it to him, unless, of course, the merit did not come from an alternate account or was purchased.
But I would advise you to focus less on hunting for merit and communicate naturally on the forum without rushing things. Many have noticed that as soon as you let go of the passionate desire to obtain merit, they are attracted to you from all sides. Just communicate, and you will get what you are so excitedly waiting for.

what will be your gain if you own some sendable merit and you don't dim it fit to others?   If everybody keep their sendable merit to themselves, how would you have gotten merits that has produced those a merit?

Those that refuse giving out their s merit are like those that have abundance of merit in their reserve and are not willing to give to those in need in their locality.

Apart from those that don't give out their s merit, you see those people that will just make a quality post that will make people pump merit into their account and will never visit that accounts for month eh, what do we have to say about them?  Those was an account that I recommended in a thread when a merit source asked that a recommendation be made for an account that had made quali post but that hasn't been merited. After the user was merited almost five merit, till date, he hasn't made a single post or reply in the forum. Whenever I look at that account it's just like I wasted my energy on the won't person.

It is the user's right quite alright but it doesn't make a sense as there's no logical deduction in deciding to hold on to such right. Before a user got an S'merit some other user merited his post he/she find worth meriting and assuming all forum users walk with such mentality of hoarding S'merits how would you have gotten any S'merit not to then talk of hoarding it.

For a user deciding not to spend his S'merits on a post at all in the forum is indirectly creating the impression that such user  don't see any post worth of quality that deserves  meriting of all the thousands of posts found daily in the forum and a decay is much satisfying. But the question arise, does S'merit actually disappear/decay?  I'll love to get a feedback from someone that had experienced it.

What was said to you was right, it is not as though you are the only one looking for merit but talking about it all the time makes you more desperate than others because even if they are than you they conceal it. If you get to desperate to get those merits you will be looking to get it fast and that could cause you to break some rules. Two of your trades created are actually about merit, this will only get you into ignore list of merits sources that will see your posts as merit fishing post. As advice above just grow in knowledge and things will take its place.

Sending out your smerit is a personal choice, but allowing your sendable merits to decay is not a good habit; this is because the people who gave you merits want you to grow in the forum; you should also send merit worthy posts to prevent the smerits from decaying, even though I have not seen any threads discussing decayed merits; only merits sources' smerits decay in order to await new merits allocation.

You may actually be right on saying that am only interested in merit but I want you to understand that everyone in this BTT forum needs merit in other to grow so it shouldn't look as if because my current threads are focused on discussion about merit then it now sounds as if I needed it more than anyone else. I know I'm a newbie and it is important for me to learn and make quality posts before I think of earning merits of which I'm trying my best and if you watch closely I do more of learning and making research before creating threads.

Maybe they misplaced the word HOLD, Hold should be associated with Bitcoin, when Bitcoin prices are soaring, Hold is a good solution to get bigger profits. Placing Hold on sMerit has no benefit at all, hoarding sMerit will be in vain because it will not provide any profit and sMerit that has been hoarded for a long time will burn out or can no longer be used. It is very unfair when you only receive Merit from other users as appreciation for contributions to the forum but you never appreciate other users' efforts with the sMerit you have.

Everyone is in control of his merits no matter how, you will have to chose whom to give and not, but for the benefits of those that may not be that active on the forum, you may discover that their merits are not sent due to this reason, those am seeing with the responsibility to make sure they disburse merits are the sources, others earned it and may choose to give or not, but the best ideal way it standard is for everyone to also send their smerits received back to the community, while we have a number of merit sources available to cover up for the inactive ones.

These Merits do not constitute a difference compared to merit sources, especially those sources that come with +500 sMerits. If these sources decide to stop sending, most of the new accounts will face problems in ranking up, as these sources are the ones who make the merit system continue and who make rank-up possible because it is at best.

the average amount that members (non-sources) can generate per month is 150 sMerits, assuming that the accounts receive 300 merits per month (which is difficult). Even if these accounts decide not to send any merits, the merit system still works because of the Merit sources.

OP, your recent threads show that you are concerned about merit. I understand your efforts to improve your rank, but you shouldn't be so frank.


It's sad to hear this. I witnessed how you despaired after having spent, or rather mistakenly lost, your last merits . But why save them? When you decided to return to the forum, weren’t you pleased to receive merit? Why should you have very high standards? Sometimes a post deserves attention just like that, and you shouldn’t regret the gift of a smile. There is a simple expression for this, and I think you will understand it: “Be simpler, and people will be drawn to you.”

OP, some people like to accumulate merit, and then, with a grandiose air, they like to create a topic for distributing merit, presenting themselves in some way as a merit source, and setting very strict conditions for posts that will be evaluated by them.


Weren't you the one who created a thread in your account's youth about how you feel obligated to reciprocate those who give you merits? If not, then I must have made a mistake. At that moment, I felt the same. And the fact that you were “accidentally” congratulated, I think, looked rather strange and stingy. We need to be simpler. 
Although this often happens, merits are exchanged within one's circle rather than simply given out for good posts.

There must be many reasons related to this problem. The low level of activity on this forum could also be one of the reasons. Or it could also be because the standard of quality of posts that someone expects is so high that he hasn't found good posts every time he explores this forum. Personally, I only send it if there is a post that really impresses me with its content. It doesn't matter if it is a long or short post. The important thing is that the content can amaze me and increase my insight. Maybe other users are the same as me. But if you want to see users who actively give sMerit then you can find users who are quite active in interacting on their respective local boards. Meanwhile, you can find the habit of hoarding sMerit among some users who are not active on local boards. This also happens not only to ordinary users but also to several Merit Sources. They may be too busy to review every quality post on this forum. Because I also feel like someone who works in the real world, sometimes my activity on forums is quite limited. That is, only between breaks and when you finish work. But still, Merit is the right of the user whether he wants to send it or not. Because sMerit won't disappear just because you hoard it.

over the years that I have been active here in the forum, I have not seen someone here say that their sendable merits have decayed because they don't use it. while there is a mention of merit decay on the merit page, it does not specifically say that sendable merit will automatically decay if not used.

Just try to understand that maybe they don't want to be involve on some controversy that's why they are so picky regarding on who are those people they want to send their merits. If you see those people send their merits then that means they really appreciate the efforts done by receiver so just respect their decision if they are not so active sending merits since its personal choice and anyone is free to decide for whatever they like.

Focus more to create a good post so that people will be convince to give you a merit and don't take those situation seriously since for sure they also know what they are doing so not worth to get bothered by activities made by some people regarding on that situation.

There's no one claimed that their smerits is decayed after a certain time even though you might have read it in the forum rules that the smerits eill be decayed if not used in the future. There's no point in hoarding smerits but you shouldn't sent your smerits for something else that's why it is not advisable to sell it or trade smerits. Merit system is used to prevent people to spam and rank up in the forum just by posting alone that can cause spamming because many people just joined bounties only.

I know it's not advisable to always keep your smerit, if you are having smerit, always make sure you distribute it. There are a lot of quality posts on the forum that are really worth it, and keeping your smerit won't add anything to your account. But from what you said, some people are always leaving their smerit to decay. I don't think anyone has made any posts on this forum before that they couldn't find their smerit. I am sure if some people's smerit decays, a post like that will have been seen on the forum here, but I haven't come across any before, which tells you that no one's merit has been decayed yet. Maybe we will see that in the future.

I don't really know the reason for some people to keep on holding their smerit, but if I can receive merit, I always make sure I send out my smerit instantly, I hardly keep my smerit in my account for days. But if I decide not to send my smerit out, that doesn't mean it's going to decay, you should know that.

This is typical newbie post on Bitcointalk. Newbies can’t seem to get enough of talking about merits and how older members do not want them to grow. Merits are meant to be given to quality posts only. Everyone has their own preferences for what they consider a quality post, so if you’re not getting merits it probably means you’re not meeting those standards or it could be your posts are just not getting visibility. You can report your best posts on this thread to get merit; https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60895527

Well, sometimes I think members even forget they actually have merit to give out and that makes it look like they're intentionally hoarding it. However, if I may ask, is there any reason you don't find it alluring giving out merit? I know it can't be for lack of quality posts on the forum because constructive posts are littered here. Again, if it's a bore for you meriting posts, while not send them to merit threads to help others rank up?

Hmm, interesting well this clear my doubt because I have been quite curious too on the notice I always see when trying to send out smerits and it made me wonder if actually this was true because like you said I have seen account which are way old to the time of the airdrop merit at the implementation of the merit system wake up suddenly and start giving merit to profiles here and in the community. I just taught if this was actually true then alot of those won't have their sleeping smerits active to actually send out.

Hoarding Smerits is not a good habit, there are some people have enough Smerits aside the monthly allocation but they are not giving out those merits to the people that need it which have good post. And I don't think the introduction of demeriting system is a nice idea but let everyone one have enough sendable merits should distribute it to other users so that the meriting system will be very effective. There are some local boards and local language threads need merits but because there no merit sources are there so even the best or quality posts are there without good merits but some people have enough to give but lazy to give out. theymos should look into those accounts that hoarding the Smerits for more than 120 days and extract them from the to another source who gives regularly. So that the circulation will flow well.

I don't think sendable merits ever expire unless you are a merit source. For merit sources, their sMerits keep spawning up and they had to spend those smerits within a month I guess. If your sMerits from earned merits, I guess they never expire. I haven't heard that forum admins decayed anyone's sendable merits. Now, If you ask why some members do not spend their merits, it's up to them. Either they are not active anymore. Or, they don't feel that they should spend their merits. Or maybe they wait for a good post to dump their merits once in a while. I never had more than 20 sMerits I guess. I don't remember correctly. Sometimes, I see that I do not have enough merits to send.

Merit decay feature is still not yet implemented by theymos since the introduction of merit because user back then keep merit in circulation so there’s no point for decay feature. That feature is supposed to counter merit hoarding which didn’t happened.

Besides there’s a lot of merit source already that consistently have their merit allocation from theymos so this merit that send to inactive users doesn’t bear a lot of value anymore regardless if it’s decay or not because there’s still tons of merit in circulation.

Do people still send him the merit on the regular basis (if that's the common knowledge, that he doesn't send merit)? Imho, it doesn't make much sense to send merit to someone who clearly doesn't want to be a part of the merit system.

It is not so bad if the sendable merits are not distributed (which by the way do not decay), as there are additional merit sources (mostly users who have been around for a long time or outstanding users) who regularly receive a larger amount of merits to distribute. This alone ensures the liquidity and availability of merits.

It's either you did a wrong research or you are just assuming without making any effort to seek accurate information as regarding your topic. If you truly did, you would discovered that there's no any case of merit decay so far since the introduction of merit system. Now, I'm beginning to question how you got to find out your claim. If you think you are right in anyway, please reference any account here with such case and we'll verify.


This is what you should have centered on rather than making nonexistent finding. Despite that sMerit can not decay (as the case is so far) although the forum reserves the right to decay it anytime when necessary, it's not a good habit to hoard it for any reason. It has no benefits for you other than causing scarcity of merits in the forum. We have merits source to curb that thou but it's advisable for members to circulate the merit when they see a merit worthy post.

DdmrDdmr's Bitcointalk Merit Dashboard can provide such and much more data. It is an awesome tool and can be used for numerous evaluations in the Merit ecosystem.

At time of this post e.g. Jawhead999 received 1125 merits (no airdrop) in 692 TXReceived and sent out 456 smerits in 442 TXSent. It seems you prefer (for 99.10% of your merit sends) to send only 1 sMerit at a time (no judgement). You still hoard (no judgement) around 106.5 sMerits of which you only see 106.

Do sendable merits actually decay?
I haven't heard or seen any thread that anyone complain that their smerits are decayed. Could it be that they don't even check to know if the smerits are actually decayed or not.

In the other words, why do people not spend their smerits? Could it be because of one or more of the reasons below;

• They don't see quality posts to drop the merits. Maybe they have high standards
• They don't have time to browse the forum to send merits
• They don't believe in the merit system 

Merit system was kicked off on 24 January 2018 but so far, there is no Merit decay. The system has its 6th anniversary soon!

Last 6 years, there were only merit rollback by theymos for a few cases of merit abuses from merit sources.

The One year annivesary of merit system has some collective chronological information about it.

sMerits don’t decay to date. The warning shown when sending them is meant to incentivise people to move them into circulation, but not even the airdropped sMerits given to accounts when the Merit System kicked-off during January 2018 have decayed in any manner (those would be my first candidates to do so in the event of pondering sMerit decay).

Merit Source sMerits, which is a different counter to their personal sMerits, don’t technically decay either, although some could see it as such to a certain extent. Taken to an extreme to exemplify, if a Merit Source with let’s say 1K sMerits per 30 days does not sent any sMerits for a couple of months, his available Merit Source based sMerit will still remain at 1K, not surpassing the assigned quota limit by accumulation due to non-usage.

Some people do chose to participate little to none in the Merit System, and may receive quite a bunch whilst not sending sMerits to and fro. I keep track of these cases for my local board, as well as those that are most generous over there. The "meanest" case on my local board has received 595 Merits there, generating 298 sMerits, but has only sent one back to the local board (plus one other sMerit elsewhere). On the othe hand, the account at hand is the most technical account on the local board, and has helped quite a few when encountering difficulties in the field. If he doesn’t care about the Merit System, so be it.

What exactly do your conscience tells you? No right? Yes it's not wise for someone to hoard his/her smerits till it gets to vanished. though I haven't heard of vanish merits so I guess active participants always use there spendable very well. As far as one is active seeing activities going daily he/she will surely be tempted to distribute their merits.

With current merit system, sendable merits stay in that account, forever, before those sMerits are sent to other users or the forum has a big change in merit system, self-destruction of sMerits with a time counter.

Some members hoard their sMerits  but it is not big matter for merit system and sMerit circulation because daily and monthly, the forum has new sourced sMerits from theymos, dump to merit sources. theymos has his merit block explorer to observe the circulation and can increase sourced sMerits to merit sources if necessary.

No, in my opinion.

I see having a new feature like Demerit is better idea.

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I believe that the reason for some merit decay is because most legendary with tones of merit  are usually not online just as @-act presume. And I believe that to be true. and when they come online and see meritable Post, dey give out in bulk. Sometimes I see post with 50 to100 merit at once. and the reason behind that is that those merit given to them will generate another sendible merit, that can be used by the merit souce given to, in other for them to distribute it instead of allowing it to decay.

Every bitcointalker has certain things they look for in posts before they give out merits. And just as our usernames are different so are things we find merit worthy.
Every user who earned merit has a choice to either spend their smerits or leave them. Some people you may feel as " stingy" with their smerits per say" are some times very busy off the forum and therefore hardly read posts  and send merits.
Op I think you should worry more about making quality contributions to the forum than thinking about merits. ( Just a friendly advice)

Merits are usually attracted to quality posts like magnets are to iron bars.

I am one of those profiles who is careful about the merits received and who doesn't give out merit left and right everyone.

Merit don't get destroyed and become useless (it doesn't have a timer to destroy and disappear), but wait in the wings (in my case) and a worthy post to be sent.

If I consider your post worthy, you will receive merit from me. If not, then forgive me, it means you don’t live up to my personal remuneration criteria.

Admit it, you are not worried about disappearing merit, but about the fact that your good posts have not yet received merit, right. And you think that it would be better if other profiles didn't hoard merits like useless garbage, but rather gave them to you, isn't it?

P.S. With your nickname you will undoubtedly run for Miss Bitcointalk, right?

I think that going to people's profiles to check their merit status is not really necessary, you should just focus on making quality posts that will attract merit to you, because I doubt that anybody can be penalized on this forum for not sharing their smerits, it's a personal choice. I'm by no means supporting members that have smerits and will not give them out to deserving posts, since nobody can merit their own posts, then there's no genuine reasons to let it linger and eventually decay, like you said. Perhaps the smerits hodlers have very high standard for quality that no posts deserves, although I sincerely doubt that, hopefully your thread will encourage them to be giving as received.

With what I have noticed, some of these people that you are talking about are excellent posters with one of the most quality posts on this forum. I also noticed that some of them hardly visit this forum except few times which they give answers to a post and leave again and not posting. Another reason can be that they are no more posting. Another reason is that they are knowledgeable, the few merit they give are given to those that have knowledge like them.

I will say no. Theymos knows the way he is checking the merit circulation on this forum. He can create new smerits and which he is doing monthly. No need to decay the smerits of people that are hoarding it.

You are wrong. They earn the merit and they can decide to send it to anyone or not send it.

Usually those who leave the accumulated Smerit and will not get any benefit. Because transferable merits have to be sent to other accounts it is a moral obligation. As I have been sending merits to others for a long time which will not be of any use to me, I have seen other people's quality and good posts and gifted them. Those who hold accumulated merit act like fools.

I have come across this merit decay before and whenever you are sending out the Smerits you have a message pops up “There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.” Despite this message, I don’t think anyone’s Smerit have been deducted before due to not sending them or hoarding them for a long time. If the merit decay law has being implemented, maybe we will see more users sending out their Smerits instead of hoarding them without sending to others.

 I think for now it is only merit sources that gets their Smerits decayed after one month and a new one is refilled for them but what I am not sure of is maybe the Smerits they get from other users which is not from the one Thymos gave them as merit sources will also decay after one month period. Anyone knows more about it?

This was a thread by CryptopreneurBrainboss about merit decay few years back, you can also learn some users opinion about how they feel about it.

Not a good habit but you got to understand that you need to have some level of respect as to how you're going to send those merits so you don't have to do a merit spree that others might judge you to be wasting your merits. Being an active poster and lurker at different discussion boards in the forum actually helps you to choose which posts or replies you're going to have to send your merits to, and that way it also makes it look like you're not that crazy about which person you're going to give a merit and what quality post or reply is sometimes subjective.

How did you check it? if you only check by clicking their merit history, it's not accurate because the forum only show last 120 days activity. Moreover it's the user's right whether he want to spend his sMerit or not, there's no obligation sMerit must be spend.

Even though it was mentioned unused sMerit could be decayed by the administrator, but there's no proof someone claimed if his sMerit got deducted.

At first didn't know smerit can decay, was force to research about it because of this threads and came across post related to this.  
   Unused smerits shouldn't be destroyed but sent to merit sources after 1 month.
 Didn't know we where also hodl smerit   because what the extent of you keeping it when you know it will end up disappearing  (decay) when you should have just  put it to use than to let it waste.
Good grief i found out sooner. Anytime I have smerit I will quickly make used of it by meriting post worth meriting than to let it decay.

Seems like anyone who does allows their sMerits to decay are not really an active member of this forum and I don`t see it as a good habit, I guess that is the reason Thymos set the decay merits system to show holding onto it is vanity
Op, you seriously need to calm down on your merit related posts yesterday you made one and today another one. This is just a friendly advice to avoid being ignored by others

I've got to find out that there are some profiles that have received whole lots of merits but some of those profiles don't circulate their sendable merits to others profiles thereby allowing the sendable merits to decay and become worthless. The reason for sendable merits is for a user to send to other profiles in which they find their posts of good qualities and of Meritable standards but I wonder why some users choose to hoard this sendable merits and allowing it to vanish with time.
Is it a good habit to allow one's sendable merits to decay?