Merit & new rank requirements - page 153.

suchmoon

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Quote from: CodyAlfaridzi on March 10, 2018, 11:53:42 PM

Quote from: SHBlizzard on March 10, 2018, 11:14:41 PM

in a lot of other forums (cars, electronics, sports) they sometimes call this +rep(utation), almost everyone (except brand new accounts) can +rep/"merit" any post, but it is not like a Unit where i have 4 sMerits to give and that is it until some one merits you. You have unlimited +reps but you can only give them 1 at a time (someone has a good post, you can give 1 +rep, s/he posts again you can give again 1+rep). Whereas here i can give all my sMerits to one person and then not have any for ages until someone decides to merit me.

That system will be easily abused especially by account farmers who had hundreds of account. The reason why theymos choose to limit sMerit and carefully selecting some members as merit sources are to prevent such abuse. It successfully halts the account farmers but also creates a new problem: other genuine members having a hard time to rank up. I agree with your opinion, the merit in circulation right now is simply not enough in my opinion.

sMerit availability has been increased by ~50% to 17650 per month. Was ~12k previously.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

CodyAlfaridzi

hero member

Activity: 1708

Merit: 541

Quote from: SHBlizzard on March 10, 2018, 11:14:41 PM

in a lot of other forums (cars, electronics, sports) they sometimes call this +rep(utation), almost everyone (except brand new accounts) can +rep/"merit" any post, but it is not like a Unit where i have 4 sMerits to give and that is it until some one merits you. You have unlimited +reps but you can only give them 1 at a time (someone has a good post, you can give 1 +rep, s/he posts again you can give again 1+rep). Whereas here i can give all my sMerits to one person and then not have any for ages until someone decides to merit me.

That system will be easily abused especially by account farmers who had hundreds of account. The reason why theymos choose to limit sMerit and carefully selecting some members as merit sources are to prevent such abuse. It successfully halts the account farmers but also creates a new problem: other genuine members having a hard time to rank up. I agree with your opinion, the merit in circulation right now is simply not enough in my opinion.

SHBlizzard

full member

Activity: 196

Merit: 124

in a lot of other forums (cars, electronics, sports) they sometimes call this +rep(utation), almost everyone (except brand new accounts) can +rep/"merit" any post, but it is not like a Unit where i have 4 sMerits to give and that is it until some one merits you. You have unlimited +reps but you can only give them 1 at a time (someone has a good post, you can give 1 +rep, s/he posts again you can give again 1+rep). Whereas here i can give all my sMerits to one person and then not have any for ages until someone decides to merit me.

IMO we should have something more similar to that (or a combination of some sort), having given out all of my 4 sMerits early on when they first launched, I have not been able to merit posts that perhaps deserved a merit since then. IMO the sMerit barrier is too high for newer of forum members. just my 2 cents Roll Eyes

xBoxLive

member

Activity: 266

Merit: 25

Quote from: nullius on March 10, 2018, 08:06:40 PM

Quote from: xBoxLive on March 10, 2018, 07:43:31 PM

Quote from: nullius on March 10, 2018, 07:34:51 PM

https://web.archive.org/web/20180311002810/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg32023727#msg32023727
[—snip—]

Quote from: nullius

#917001 “xBoxLive” advocated buying and selling of merits, *and* simultaneously begged for merit. FOR SHAME. As the Latin etymology of the word implies, *merit* is to be EARNED.

This feedback is made consistently with my trust feedback policy:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nullian-trust-feedback-policy-working-draft-3009256

#HIPPOCRITE COPPER MEMBER

Well, that’s amusing non sequitur. It will probably remain all the moreso if I don’t ask you to explain the relevance of my Copper Membership. Also amusing:

Quote from: xBoxLive

Don't like my opinions so they left me negative feedback. But they are the one that had to buy "Whitelist" or a title. #HIPPOCRITE

You don’t realize, I collect those petty little retaliations from petty little people. I haven’t earned one in awhile. Thanks.

It may help your writing if you were to buy a dictionary, and learn to spell the word “hypocrite”. Also, if you were not stupid. But that’s beside the point, given your reprehensible attitude.

The merit system has a dual purpose, positive and negative. Its positive component is to reward people like me for making posts which others find valuable; the number below my name speaks for me on that point. Its negative component is to chase snowflakes like you away from the forum, so that you don’t spoil it for others. The system is doing its job, on both sides of the coin!

Edit to add: *plonk* (I believe these occasional public examples to be a social necessity; but now, there is nothing more to see here.)

You must be in the running for petty president eh as you so eloquently hypo-preached huh? But like assholes, everyone has one. I'll take your "Petty" neg and smile "Hippocrite"

And for the numbers below your name, all that does is show how much free time you have. #getajob or #Graduate

Don't know you to know which. But I'm sure you'll say whichever you feel like makes you matter in this world.

nullius

copper member

Activity: 630

Merit: 2614

If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!

Quote from: xBoxLive on March 10, 2018, 07:43:31 PM

Quote from: nullius on March 10, 2018, 07:34:51 PM

https://web.archive.org/web/20180311002810/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg32023727#msg32023727
[—snip—]

Quote from: nullius

#917001 “xBoxLive” advocated buying and selling of merits, *and* simultaneously begged for merit. FOR SHAME. As the Latin etymology of the word implies, *merit* is to be EARNED.

This feedback is made consistently with my trust feedback policy:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nullian-trust-feedback-policy-working-draft-3009256

#HIPPOCRITE COPPER MEMBER

Well, that’s amusing non sequitur. It will probably remain all the moreso if I don’t ask you to explain the relevance of my Copper Membership. Also amusing:

Quote from: xBoxLive

Don't like my opinions so they left me negative feedback. But they are the one that had to buy "Whitelist" or a title. #HIPPOCRITE

You don’t realize, I collect those petty little retaliations from petty little people. I haven’t earned one in awhile. Thanks.

It may help your writing if you were to buy a dictionary, and learn the spelling and definition of the word “hypocrite”. Also, if you were not stupid. But that’s beside the point, given your reprehensible attitude.

The merit system has a dual purpose, positive and negative. Its positive component is to reward people like me for making posts which others find valuable; the number below my name speaks for me on that point. Its negative component is to chase snowflakes like you away from the forum, so that you don’t spoil it for others. The system is doing its job, on both sides of the coin!

Edit to add: *plonk* (I believe these occasional public examples to be a social necessity; but now, there is nothing more to see here.)

xBoxLive

member

Activity: 266

Merit: 25

Quote from: nullius on March 10, 2018, 07:34:51 PM

https://web.archive.org/web/20180311002810/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg32023727#msg32023727

Quote from: xBoxLive on March 10, 2018, 06:41:45 PM

Fuck it. why not just buy merits. I mean if account sales are allowed, so should merit sales. For real, if Theymos can charge for being able to make more posts as newbie by buying a copper membership, why don't he just sale merit rank ups. Oh but it could never come to that could it? Before the Copper membership came around, that wasn't possible either was it? I don't know when he implemented buying whitelist, but that probably could have never happened either though before it did.

SELL MERIT RANK UP'S THEYMOS

Real Talk, I'd be interested in buying because I won't be able to. Yeah my posts aren't that great, I know that. But look through my history, I rarely do anything else but sell misc. digital items.

EDIT

Merit me for this so once he does do this, I won't have to buy them Grin

Congrats; I’ve been slack lately, but no longer:

Quote from: nullius

#917001 “xBoxLive” advocated buying and selling of merits, *and* simultaneously begged for merit. FOR SHAME. As the Latin etymology of the word implies, *merit* is to be EARNED.

This feedback is made consistently with my trust feedback policy:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nullian-trust-feedback-policy-working-draft-3009256

#HIPPOCRITE COPPER MEMBER

nullius

copper member

Activity: 630

Merit: 2614

If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!

https://web.archive.org/web/20180311002810/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg32023727#msg32023727

Quote from: xBoxLive on March 10, 2018, 06:41:45 PM

Fuck it. why not just buy merits. I mean if account sales are allowed, so should merit sales. For real, if Theymos can charge for being able to make more posts as newbie by buying a copper membership, why don't he just sale merit rank ups. Oh but it could never come to that could it? Before the Copper membership came around, that wasn't possible either was it? I don't know when he implemented buying whitelist, but that probably could have never happened either though before it did.

SELL MERIT RANK UP'S THEYMOS

Real Talk, I'd be interested in buying because I won't be able to. Yeah my posts aren't that great, I know that. But look through my history, I rarely do anything else but sell misc. digital items.

EDIT

Merit me for this so once he does do this, I won't have to buy them Grin

Congrats; I’ve been slack lately, but no longer:

Quote from: nullius

#917001 “xBoxLive” advocated buying and selling of merits, *and* simultaneously begged for merit. FOR SHAME. As the Latin etymology of the word implies, *merit* is to be EARNED.

This feedback is made consistently with my trust feedback policy:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nullian-trust-feedback-policy-working-draft-3009256

xBoxLive

member

Activity: 266

Merit: 25

Fuck it. why not just buy merits. I mean if account sales are allowed, so should merit sales. For real, if Theymos can charge for being able to make more posts as newbie by buying a copper membership, why don't he just sale merit rank ups. Oh but it could never come to that could it? Before the Copper membership came around, that wasn't possible either was it? I don't know when he implemented buying whitelist, but that probably could have never happened either though before it did.

SELL MERIT RANK UP'S THEYMOS

Real Talk, I'd be interested in buying because I won't be able to. Yeah my posts aren't that great, I know that. But look through my history, I rarely do anything else but sell misc. digital items.

EDIT

Merit me for this so once he does do this, I won't have to buy them Grin

Deena

member

Activity: 238

Merit: 49

Quote from: Molli on March 10, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Almost 2 months have passed since the appearance of the merit. During this time I wrote more than 100 not the worst posts in the local section of the forum. And I did not receive a single merit. Seems that I do not understand how this works.

After writing more than a 100 normal contributive posts without getting merits you are actually beginning to understand how this system works; it doesn't. That is; it only works for those who are arrived. They now don't need to abuse the trust system to keep their rising competitors down.

coinlocket$

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Merit: 1517

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Quote from: Molli on March 10, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Almost 2 months have passed since the appearance of the merit. During this time I wrote more than 100 not the worst posts in the local section of the forum. And I did not receive a single merit. Seems that I do not understand how this works.

Maybe you do the right job(quality-helpfull posts), but you need two more impontart factors on you side

1- someone read you
2- the one who read you press the magic botton

TheQuin

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Quote from: Molli on March 10, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Almost 2 months have passed since the appearance of the merit. During this time I wrote more than 100 not the worst posts in the local section of the forum. And I did not receive a single merit. Seems that I do not understand how this works.

Yup, you don't understand. Spend some time reading the thousands of posts about it and you might have a chance of understanding. In general, just try to read and understand more, then you might have something to say that someone with merit to give thinks is worth merit.

athanz88

sr. member

Activity: 476

Merit: 359

Quote from: suvo05 on March 10, 2018, 10:13:14 AM

I think the best way to stop spamming we need to introduce the demerit system, in this forum. Unlike the Smerit system only few selected and trusted member will have this demerit power. And the other members can only report about the spam in a post where those selected member can review the post for demeriting.

And second thing is we need to stop spending merit in the service section and bounties section. As lot of merit is being gave away their for some post which does not deserve to be merited.

Nah, in my opinion it will only create war between people who can give demerits. Merit is already good, by not getting merit, all the member who just shitposting wont level up to next rank and they will just give up later. And how to make sure they re giving up (or they can choose to improve theirself) ? One thing i can suggest for the community especially the campaign manager is to increase the requirement to be taken into a signature campaign or bounty campaign, because even myself cant deny that getting money from posting is kinda great and can be done as an extra profittable sidejob.

lobcmt2

full member

Activity: 462

Merit: 155

Quote from: Molli on March 10, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Almost 2 months have passed since the appearance of the merit. During this time I wrote more than 100 not the worst posts in the local section of the forum. And I did not receive a single merit. Seems that I do not understand how this works.

Hi,
I check your post history and found that most of your posts are one- or two-line threads, and most of them posted in Russian local board. I don't know Russian language, so I can't understand what you wrote. But I don't think one or two-lined threads would be useful, or helpful (in most cases they don't). You should improve your threads' quality (more lines, more useful/ helpful), more posts in Beginners & help child board and Meta board.

That is my advice for you!

suvo05

sr. member

Activity: 1162

Merit: 260

I think the best way to stop spamming we need to introduce the demerit system, in this forum. Unlike the Smerit system only few selected and trusted member will have this demerit power. And the other members can only report about the spam in a post where those selected member can review the post for demeriting.

And second thing is we need to stop spending merit in the service section and bounties section. As lot of merit is being gave away their for some post which does not deserve to be merited.

Molli

full member

Activity: 462

Merit: 100

Almost 2 months have passed since the appearance of the merit. During this time I wrote more than 100 not the worst posts in the local section of the forum. And I did not receive a single merit. Seems that I do not understand how this works.

galkina

jr. member

Activity: 84

Merit: 3

Quote from: dragonvslinux on March 10, 2018, 05:23:22 AM

It's got to be said the more you read this thread the more you'll understand why the merit system is in place.
I'd recommend it to anyone new, at least a few pages Wink

If someone gives time to read all the pages in the thread and go through the responses made in the queries, he will get a lot of edge over other members in getting merits. There are approx 10-20 queries about merits here daily and if you are able to give appropriate reply to them, you can certainly get some merits.

If you do not have the time to go through all the pages, read at least 20 pages from the beginning and the new members should read the OP at least 4-5 times.

Fleisher

jr. member

Activity: 189

Merit: 1

Quote from: guschin on March 09, 2018, 11:34:46 AM

Quote from: Fleisher on March 09, 2018, 11:16:25 AM

in a way this system is good to prevent spam. but i would make some changes to this system. like stated in another post above, i also think that is hard to achieve the merit ranks, especially for the newbies. i would bet that an old member would give more merit to older members than to newbies. this is basic psychology and also in the endgame, a older member will expect more merit from an older member then from a newbie. why? simple. a full member has lets say 200 merit and 100 merit to give a way. a newbie has 10merit and 5 merit to give away. so what do you think of whom you will have greater chances to receive merit?

and btw this is not my original account. my original sr. member account got hacked so now I am a junior

First did you try to recover that account by following all the required steps.

Now regarding this behaviors that you mentioned is something related to expecting merits from the member to who you are giving. I am not a senior member or one with any friends here but I think that human emotions may compel some people to do so. One should still ensure that the merits are being sent to deserving posts only. May be the admin makes changes to the system so that new members can also earn merits easily.

yes. couldn't retrieve my account, just blocked it for further use. but i don't mind. don't care much about ranks. but in a way its funny to have a jr rank and being on this forum from before the mt gox hack 5years back Cheesy

Creepings

sr. member

Activity: 546

Merit: 257

Quote from: dragonvslinux on March 10, 2018, 05:23:22 AM

It's got to be said the more you read this thread the more you'll understand why the merit system is in place.
I'd recommend it to anyone new, at least a few pages Wink

There is a lot of other things you can read and know in this forum when it comes to digital currencies especially Bitcoin but the bitcoin discussions are filled with posts that is not really helpful but to the members that are posting there. Merit is the new system and it didn't really change the forum that much except the posts are getting better and better.

guschin

member

Activity: 84

Merit: 12

Quote from: pvk444 on March 10, 2018, 01:46:49 AM

I know that this is the intention, but it's not how it works. Equating working hard and smart with the possibility of gaining merits, is not reality. There are way too many great posts out there which recieve no merits while weak posts receive several merits. The causality that's being claimed here, does not hold on average

You will have to rule out the cases where merit system is being abused. Weak posts getting merit points is clear indication that alt accounts or friends are involved in this. Many of those cases are being reported and those members will stop doing this because of actions being taken.

Regarding good posts not receiving merits, that is a valid concern in my opinion. We need to increase the number of merits allotted to merit sources per month. There should not be a situation where a merit sees a deserving post but has no merits to give to it.

dragonvslinux

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 2213

It's got to be said the more you read this thread the more you'll understand why the merit system is in place.
I'd recommend it to anyone new, at least a few pages Wink

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