Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 169. (Read 167726 times)

Becuase they don't need to rank to Member to get a signature to spam Twitter and Facebook they just need to buy some followers and 'friends'. If they are just posting links to Twitter and FB in those bounty threads at least they aren't polluting the rest of the forum.

I don’t see why.  Spam is spam; and social-media spammers won’t be earning any more merit than forum spammers.

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I’ll reply later to JayJuanGee and possibly others.  N.b., my “whine” about activity levels was sarcastic, intended to satirize whines about the merit system, oppression by evil Legendaries, etc.  I have edited my prior post to add an explicit note about this.

There are 2 types of bounty campaign though. The ones that pay shittokens to spam social media and the ones that pay shittokens to spam this forum. The merit system should help speed up the transition to the former.

Yes, you need  to get 10 merit points before you rank up to member. It was implemented to improved the quality of post within the forum. So if you could make a constructive and informative post definitely they will give you merit, and please avoid qouting that entire post of OP so we could read your post directly.

Finally found the explanation on merit ranks & requirements! Thanks a lot!

OMG, they had a new rules in bitcointalk? I missed that, because I'm so busy in my newly job. Though I need to get 10 merit points before I rank up right? I think its hard to us to earned merit if the other users send this.

INDEED. This is the great idea to achieve more constrative post, or useful post to got the GREAT MERIT AWARD. Love it!
A great challenge to everyone like us.
More power @Thymos and God speed on you!
Hope someday, you will bless me, YIUR WONDERFUL MERIT!
Have a great day ahead MERIT SYSTEM!

Sure these are kind of discretionary tweaks, and certainly Theymos and/or any other person(s) that he relies upon for recommendations can decide whether they believe that they are tweaks in a direction that would be beneficial to them in terms of the forum.

Since a lot of the decision had already been made to implement this new merit system, I would surmise that the system changing suggestions that are more "tweaking" in nature rather than revolutionary would seem more likely to receive the greater level of receptiveness from Theymos.



Your personal example seems extreme and therefore somewhat anecdotal.  It surely shows what is possible, but you seem more like a bot or a team of 10 rather than a real representative humanoid.  That is supposed to be a joke.. hahahahaha, except the truth of the matter is that we should be attempting to draw from the more common experiences, even if there can be some outliers and even some models to aspire to, but most humans are somewhat flawed, and there are problems with expecting perfection when dealing with a large number of peeps.



Could be... sounds like a discretionary matter too.   Without really seeing how this plays out, I personally do think that the merit thresholds do seem to increase quite a lot quickly, and they seem a bit high in my thinking, even though we know that it is quite possible to earn a decent amount of merits in a short time, the more regular and normal usage might not presume averaging more than 10-20 merits per month, depending on whether members are not going to hoard smerits and whether sources are going to be able to reach out enough in order to circulate enough merits that end up with decent levels of additional smerits to keep quality contributions from being overlooked.



It seems to me that the merit system was added to supplement the ranking up, but not to anyhow change the activity level requirements - however there may have been some concerns regarding phasing out some aspect of the trust system, perhaps?

Regarding your personal situation.  I doubt that you would really need to receive an expedited actual ranking up in order to be appreciated for the number of merits that you receive - however it could be possible that either algorithmically or discretionarily that Theymos might look at some high merit statuses in order permit them to rank up more expeditiously based on their high level of merits.. whether that is a 2x consideration or a 3x or some other formula that might be deemed fair and reasonable.



Again, we get to the idea of whether the perfection is the enemy of the good.  Sure on a personal aspiration and from making a good first (and perhaps lasting) impression, then it is good for posters to aspire to quality posts because their history could likely follow them forever, and whether going back and deleting post would help may be a messy kind of process rather than just letting post history stand, "right out of the starting gate."


Thanks for taking me out of order... hahahahahhaha     By the way, I share with others in my enjoyment in reading a lot of your posts, and surely each of us need not agree with all the points made in any post in order to recognize substantive contributions (and even art sometimes) that goes into creating decent and good posts (whether they are perfect or not.. in their time)  

Yeah, Indeed.

Actually, I think that the Jr. threshold should be 10 and the Member threshold should be around 30.  I am preparing a post with these and other suggestions.  My immediate impetus for making proposals is that I reached the Hero threshold of 500 merit within 27 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes, 22 seconds of active posting.  Zero to Hero within four weeks?  That should not be humanly possible.  Adjustments are needed at the high and low ends; I do think the middle ranks’ thresholds are appropriate.

(The earliest I can actually rank up to Hero will be Activity Period 1283, which will start during 12 March 2019.  The activity system is oppressive to new users!  Legendaries push everybody else down!)

(Edit following JayJuanGee’s below reply:  tag with gratuitous complaint about Legendaries implies /s.  I will follow up later; for now, I just want to make that excruciatingly clear for those reading this thread.)

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Edit:  As for “better quality posts right from the start”, it is good for new users to lurk awhile.  Some do that by reading the forum for months (or even years) without making an account; they (we) can make good posts “right from the start”.  Vide my debut post in Development & Technical Discussion, three days after I started actively posting.  It discusses covert ASICBOOST, quotes gmaxwell from bitcoin-dev, speaks about miners’ job of BFT transaction ordering—all to analyze the ulterior motives of people who hate Segwit.  Is that a “Newbie” post, in any sense?  Whereas users who make an account as soon as they find the forum, and especially those who are totally new to Bitcoin, should surely be kept at Newbie rank for awhile.  They are newbies!  Nothing wrong with that; we all start somewhere.

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I wanted to reply to some others upthread, but thus far—well, priorities.

I must admire you for your long-ass sentence.... reminds me of my own style, somewhat.

You may be correct that there is some deficiencies in this newly implemented system that relies to some degree to be spotted and appreciated by other members in order to receive merit - yet you suggest a shortage of smerits that is not yet proven by evidence and you also seem to suggest that some merit sources would be reluctant to give out merit.  I would presume that Theymos is choosing merit sources who are more likely to be ready, willing and able to give out their smerits and if they are not giving out their smerits, then they would likely lose their source status.  Furthermore, you also seem to be presuming that members are going to hoard their smerits, and sure there may be some logical expectation that some members will hoard some smerits, yet if they continue to receive merits for their posts, then they continue to accumulate smerits, and it seems less  likely that in the long term they are going to consider scarcity in smerits, especially if they are earning smerits (through their posts) on a regular basis.

One month into this whole process seems a bit early to come to some of the conclusions that you have made, and even you may be lacking considerable amounts of factual evidence to even be logically making some of your assertions.... but let's see, let's see.. you may be correct about some of your above asserted points.




Your example does not make a whole hell of a lot of sense because you seem to assume that some newbie member has good intentions, a good system, a right to come into this forum and have credibility to pump his shit coin merely because he has a lot of supposedly good ideas.  Your framing of the hypothetical assumes to be true (good credibility and knowledge and intentions of the newbie member), and it seems to me that the merit system is conceptualized as a way to for newbies to actually establish their credibility, intentions and knowledge and the merit system is meant to battle against the exact problem that you are assuming away in your framing of your hypothetical good intentioned newbie.  

In my humble bumble (or maybe not so humble.. hahahahaha), if some newbie fuck has some decent, good and well intentioned ideas and wants to pump some shitty coin (or possibly good coin, as you presume), then yeah, it is likely a whole hell-of-a-lot better that s/he/it goes through the motions and process of building up some reputation and credibility on the forum by earning some merits before being granted some free reign to promote his/her bullshit (even if the bullshit, as you are hypothesizing it to be in your example, happens to be good, well-intended and smart).

TLDR: In my opinion, the presumption about newbie members should not be that they are honorable, well-intended, good, smart, blah blah blah.. because that is part of the reason why we have this newly established merit system to help to substantiate those credibility related characteristics.  Contrarily, we also do not presume newbies to be dishonorable, bad-intended, mischevious, evil, dumb, blah blah blah and that is part of the reason why we have this newly established merit system to help to substantiate those credibility related characteristics.


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Hahahahaha... nullius, you surely beat me to the beat up on the bad ideas of fxstrike post, and yeah you are probably correct in your assertion that Theymos may have been too generous to allow Jr. Member status without any merits whatsoever, and maybe a requirement to receive something like 2-5 merits would helpful to the forum overall to cause better quality posts right from the start, or otherwise the newbie could just be stuck at newbie status, forever and ever....

With this new system some of us newbies find it a problem for ranking up but with a greater knowledge of it we are truly greatful for this because we're striving to do our best to make quality posts.

For the people with a higher ranks, Im looking forward for you contributions here in this thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/other-ways-to-get-merits-lock-muna-dahil-napakarami-ng-off-topic-comments-3021637
(Inside of this threads are links that helps the newbies gain some Merits, We are trying our best to achieve such accomplishments.)
I know it is a bothersome to do, to make a review on their post but please just a little time. You may give some Merits on those deserving people or a reliable source that can also help them participate.

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

Yep , sorry for my "swamp" english. I`ll just do some research about Crypto market but i won`t focus on getting merits, i was just curious. Anyway , thanks for your answer.

The way you're typing right now is incredibly difficult to read and that doesn't exactly bode well for you getting Merit.

If you're a newbie to Crypto, learn and make a post that IS quality. If your post actually deserves getting merit it WILL get merited. Plenty of people have recieved merits and plenty of people are sending merits right now. The system works, you just have to make a post that attracts someone's attention like you said in your own post.

Correct me if i`m wrong guys ,

So for me, which i`m part of this comunity for one month and a half , it`s quite impossible at the time we speak to receive Merit Points ?
So far i can`t figure out why someone will merit me , for a post or something i wrote since i`m a little bit newbie on Crypto market and i`m not able to come with personalized opinions and very good points of view and expressing something that makes other people , " WOW , he deserve a merit point " .

I understand why this procedure , people abusing in posts for rank-up and go to bounty campaings. It`s very good for some of us, but bad for others .. so it`s debatable.

Thanks.

The Merit Stats link at the bottom of a user's Merit page is a nice addition.  Thanks theymos!

This is funny thread, but weaker then the same in russian local - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-2818398
241 pages of pure butthurt!

I'm proud of my local board! We are the first in all forum! As always!  

Lmao! Man you crack me up at times.
"Whole Towns in Asia" - It literally gave me an heart attack while spilling the food from my mouth as I was at the dinner.You know signature campaigns is an old trend now.The trend heavily is shifting towards bounty campaigns.You will find accounts that literally have no posting history but only links for the bounty campaigns.

The merit is enough since there are also Merit sources out there that has a bunch of merit to give, so there will be no scarcity issue on giving merits.



Weird for me, what's the connection of the rank in starting journey in cryptoverse? You can even start in crypto without making account here. If you just invest in crypto or mining coins that would make you belong in crypto community.

I'll correct the statement for you, "who are just starting their journey in bounty world" thank me later.