Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 208. (Read 167726 times)

I understand new merit and rank requirements system. Now I do it increased my good post quality.but why don't increased my merit.i thinks totally I haven't received yet merit.
When I can get merit?
How I can get merit?

Admin has declared who the merit sources are. You can check the merits distributed there and if you see someone meriting posts of different users regularly, you get some hints there.

You know I was of the theory the merit system wasn't working since people can easily meet activity requirements without meeting the merit ones, but you're the proven exception to the rule that I've now witnessed. I no longer believe this theory. I still wouldn't mind merit requirements being cut in half though, just to make it all a bit easier.

WOW it's going to be a really huge chalange to me to atcheve that, even if I take +1 merit a day it is very long road.
I guess everyone who will quote me will say to concentrate on high quality posts, but as I see even such posts do not get any merit sometimes, but simple ones, like this do.

"Merit farming", "trust farming", "sig farming", but does anyone actually grow anything anymore?

It's my impression, now that more time has passed under the merit system, the power to award merits is limited to too few people with too narrow an interpretation of what merits being sMerited.  Two sides of a discussion can be meritable, after all, it takes at least two to have a conversation, even if the other side of the conversation is entirely skewed in their opinion from what you believe / know is right.  Objectively, there is merit in disagreement.

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Or rather, this has made Meta the “happening” place for dividing the cool from the uncool.

Uncool:  Whiners, beggars, sleazeball merit-farmers, and assorted other lazy, spammy, useless freaks.

Cool:  Poking the uncool people with sharp sticks, and laughing at them.  The deeper purpose of such hostility is to induce the uncool people to leave, permanently, so that the cool people can hang out and chat about Bitcoin happily ever after.

With this simple statement, theymos made the Meta board cool again.

Wait, has Meta ever been cool?

What’s worse than a dirtball, is a self-righteous dirtball trying to play the victim.  Nobody with a moral compass or a shred of trustworthiness would try to pull something like this:


Upon that, asapjoshyy, I would not trust you to sweep my floor or empty my trash.  Thus, I have now added my own negative trust feedback with the comment:


Thanks for bringing your misdeeds to my attention with your whining.

Why i don't have any sMerit left in my account? Few days ago i have around 30 sMerit but now i have 0.

This is the reason? But i am using my sMerits.

Umm. Yes, they will have a chance to rank up. Spammers can also rank up slowly and they would probably rank up faster than any one of us because, well, their name is spammers.

The thing is spammers can buy merit points with your system and thus rank up faster. With the forum's current system, spammers can only buy so much merit points before it becomes obvious that they are doing so. Then they will get banned.

its great when you ask somebody to merit your good posts and say youll do the same... thinking that would be perfectly fine and you get negative trusted ... 6 month acccount being on everyday down the drain.. and the person who negged wont even give me the respect to work back my account to neutral trust

You have a point, but we need to ensure the ability of the users before we give merit, because if we give their merit without any basis of good and quality post it is possible to returned to us. I think the best thing we can do is to select the post who have give a lot of idea and assure that some of the users were impress to the quality of your post.

What I believe to be the shortest post I’ve ever made was given +1 by a Legendary.  Excluding quotation, the wordcount is: 3 words.  Though it’s rarely been my strong suit, I may quote, “Brevity is the soul of wit.”

The criterion of meritoriousness is not length, but substance.  Spammers will find tortuous screeds to be just as useless as one-liner junk—because it is indeed just as useless.

N.b. also that I recently was involved in an argument about the value of conciseness with a troll who posted disorganized, rambling walls of text.  Even when long, good writing is reasonably concise.  In the world of professional writing, painfully elaborate verbiage with too many adjectives is the mark of a worthless hack—the copy boy who somehow got to be a writer for a day.  Don’t do what’s called “trying too hard”; and never pad your wordcount qua wordcount.

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Petulant, self-entitled brat.  You get an F in logic.

Optimally, the "Serious Discussion" section should only be needed in the phase until the spam has decreased significantly.  But until that happens, it's a nice "workaround".

But the goal must be to clean the whole forum from spam. I guess some weeks will be needed for that, because there are still many spammers enrolled in bounty campaigns.

I have two ideas how this process can be accelerated:

1. Signature campaign managers could be "approved" (or instead, "disapproved") manually by staff.

There are very good, strict, quality-loving managers and other ones that really don't care at all about post quality (mostly in the altcoin section). There could also be a lighter, "opt-out" model: the spam-tolerating managers could be given a warning and then be banned if they continue to manage signature campaigns without improving the control over participant's posts. With the merit system, their "alt accounts" won't rank up that fast - so they would be incentived to really improve their spam control.

2. Feature to ignore entire threads.

There are lots of "spam megathreads" still, and other smaller threads that are pure advertising or nonsense, above all in forums like "Bitcoin Discussion", "Speculation" or (above all) "Altcoin Discussion". If this feature is enabled, I could visit "Bitcoin Discussion", for example, and ignore all these megathreads, It would be much easier for me to find posts that deserve some merit, and I would also be more likely to visit that forum again and contribute something.

There is a SMF module for that purpose, but I have read that it leads to performance problems on big forums. Maybe there is another alternative.

Does the Portuguese local section have a merit source? And is he active? Or should we send someone to apply to be a source?

Not someone, majority of members will really miss out. People busy making the longest posts known to this forum won't have time to read actual good posts to give away sMerits

And that one you found is about being a source of sMerits, good if you can spend the whole day everyday reading, but it won't help your own merit needs at all

Derp.  Any such quoting would be wasted on you, I think.  Plus you obviously don't understand how this system works, nor can you comprehend the simplicity of it:  All you have to do is write decent posts, stuff people are interested in reading.  Then, given enough readers, someone will give you merit points.  Yes, you are at the mercy of other people here, but that ends up being a very good thing for the forum as a whole.  There are too many shitposters here who just write the same spamola over and over--and ask stupid questions like the one you just asked without putting any effort yourself into answering them.

just click his user name (on the left of his post.. the name with the stats under it), this will bring you to his profile. then click "merit" it will show a list of merits received and given for that user along with a link to those posts. just click the link.

I totally agree with this, it was already already difficult going through all the threads trying to find answers you need, and now we have to read novels ugh, not helping at all

It’s thrilling to hear that spammers are so honourable about their “commitments”.


Why yes, then we’d have a “clean zone”—whilst all the other forums would be left as a wasteland, with the lifesblood of good posts sucked out of them.

I have the same problem generally (albeit to a lesser extent) with “Serious Discussion”.  It is an internal form of the “Lifecycle of an Internet Forum”, of which you may have read elsewhere on the Net (search if not).  Forums usually start out good, then go downhill, and are overwhelmed with trolls, spam, etc.  Then, the good posters leave and go to a new forum—where the cycle repeats.  Here, the variation is that the process would be internal.

I say instead, make high-quality posts where they belong; and give the merit system some time to clean up all the forums.  Soon enough, we will have spammers with 0 merit and 500 activity (who would have been declared “Heroes” (!) without the merit system).  At some point, that must become sufficiently unprofitable that they get the hint, and get the hell out of here.

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Even better:  See the automated list on the merit page of my user profile.  Scroll down to where it says, “Received in the last 120 days”.

To highlight just a few specific posts which have earned significant merit from multiple people:

• My software release posts for the easyseed mnemonic/seed generator and the bech32 utility
• My idea for branding Bech32 addresses as “Bravo Charlie” Addresses (cross-posted with edits from bitcoin-dev)
• A discussion of Bitcoin’s Public-Key Security Level (currently +18, including +5 from a forum moderator)
• A post about secure generation of randomness (0), plus two followups on the same thread (1, 2)

Those were in Development & Technical Discussion, where I have earned most of my merit.  Here in Meta, my discussion of standards of proof for penalizing merit abusers, my mini-investigation of a merit abuser, and my discussion of trolling in Dev & Tech are three posts which have been deemed meritorious by multiple high-ranked members.

I hope that helps.  Note:  My point was that I’m pretty sure that it should be much easier to earn +1/day engaging in pleasant and useful discussions.