Topic: Merit & new rank requirements - page 247. (Read 167717 times)

What is this? Are you serious?
You tried plagirising my thread without quoting. Your account is under risk of permanent ban from moderators and admin, you know that? You are extremely brave. If you want more merits, please compose your own thread and get free merits from others.



 As Theymos emphasized in the OP of the topic

You can get sMerit when you are Meritted.
Below I quote my previous post.
You can send me some Merit by clicking "+Merit" link of my post if it is helpful

You only have additional sMerits if someone send you their sMerits, then you will get both media and sMerits. More details, if someone send you 10 sMerits, you will get 10 Merits and 5 sMerits.

 As Theymos emphasized in the OP of the topic
If you like this thread, think it useful, you scan donate your merits to me.

I see that i have 5 smerits in my account that i can send to other people. if i send all 5 smerit to the quality poster then my smerit will become zero!!.so after that can i get any other smerit to send other quality posters?
And if yes then when will i get back this smerit?

That is the way merit system works and you got merits correspond to the minimum merits required to reach your current rank. That's not fair since the start as Theymos said in previous thread. However, Theymos only adjusted merits allocated for users whom have more than 775 activities 500 more merits for each. I don't know why this sort of adjustment didn't apply for other ranks!

As announced by Theymos

I concede that I would be a bit upset by changes in the system when I have already invested in the system, and if I was getting close to ranking up, but then all of a sudden, I have a new requirement to attempt to build up some merits. 

If we are adults, then many of us already realize that life throws curve balls from time to time, and we just need to adjust.  Surely, we can attempt to influence the direction and attempt to contribute to the dialogue, but in the end, we need to continue to attempt to have our own mind in the right framework.  And, let's say for example some of the naysayers regarding this new merit system turn out to be correct, then I believe that Theymos is flexible enough to figure out if there will be some ways that he could tweak the system to attempt to improve it.. ... or worse case scenario, abandon it if it ends up being a complete failure.

Sure, you can send me some Merit by clicking "+Merit" link of my post if it was helpful

I wouldn't like to become a "Merit God", if you ask me, and here are the reasons:
1. I love Bitcoin, the very nature of it that denies all central power and Gods. It's a good thing, for people, not for exercising the power of an inherited or self-proclaimed position/function. Everybody has the same position and the same function in the blockchain.
2. If you are a God you have to reward some, and deny reward to others. And all of these people represent small parts of the blockchain. They are the reason the blockchain, Bitcoin, and this forum exist in the first place. If they don't mine, trade and post ridiculous posts, nothing of this would ever exist - not even the newly born "Merit Gods" (no matter how odd that may sound to them). So, by being forced to judge these people, I would be actually forced to judge myself.
3. Power is a strange and ugly thing. Not because it's bad by itself, but because the power to make decisions defines who you are, and it's a contagious feeling, you can't get rid of all that power once you gain it. You start that with a best intention, and gradually, without even being able to notice, you really become a sort of a decision-making deity And people start to respond to that function of yours, with fear, avoidance, worship, butt-licking - but never more as friends, as equals, as peers. But your troubles don't end there, it's just the beginning: when you have that kind of power in one segment of your life, it takes one hell of an effort not to reflect your deity status on the other segments of your life - your actual, real-life friends, family, clerks, passers-by... And these people also reacts, in the same manner. And all of a sudden you find yourself all alone, in constant battle to preserve your position on the power throne, like a real God, high in the clouds (except that you're actually not a real God, so you will suffer).

Oh, thats what it is. Thanks for clarifying this issue.

There seem still confusion how it works, so let me briefly summarize the system.

There are Merit and sMerit, the former of which is related to rank up, but not the latter one.
The rules are as follows:

Merit
- You obtain Merit when someone sends it to your post.  
- Merit does not decease unless demerit system is introduced in future.

sMerit
- For each 1 Merit you obtained, you also obtain 0.5 sMerit at the same time.
- When you send Merit to someone's post by clicking "+Merit" link for each post, you spend 1 sMerit (but your Merit does not decrease).
- Finally they ``reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future'' so it is recommended to use sMerit rather than keep it.

I would've preferred if merit woul've been distributeed according to our activity and not our member rank, I missed 150 merit because I'm 2 or 3 weeks late to rank up
not cool

sorry for my bad english
You are all discussing the merit system, but none of you have thought about another existing problem - locked accounts and their unlocking. Many will say - there is a topic in Meta with instructions on what to do and what to write to, and I'll answer you - there are no admins on the forum, they are more accurate, but they do not care about you. Searched the META topic at least the first 15 pages, how many locked accounts there, there's the legendary one, and the person who paid the forum to be unblocked.
I do not give a damn about the merit system, I've never been engaged in playing with my older comrades to be given credit or raised my rank, I helped the people. And now I will appeal to all the legendary ones - imagine that your legendary account has been blocked and you can not use it, try creating a new account here, for a week to move into it and contact the administrators of the news to hear you and help, how long will you hear? ??
And this problem is more than two months.
The hacker can steal your account, poke for what you will be blocked, and you will have to start everything from the very beginning, and this is very hard especially for those who have been sitting on this forum for several years.
I rummaged through the Internet in search of the administrators of this resource, I found them and wrote them, but I did not get an answer, writing nothing to them, you can at least do it with a tambourine around the fire. The only people who own a forum here are scored on us.
moderators can delete my post, and they can also block this account, it makes no difference to me to create 100500 accounts that will be registered with nonexistent mail. and start again all from scratch as of now - this accounting is only a few days.
my blocked accounting for almost a year, I'm its owner and I can go into it, but it's in read mode, unlock it unrealistically, they'll just ignore me.
THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM number 1, that you have accounts with normal guys who are blocked.
And I have the opinion that sooner or later there will be a person who can not stand patience, he will turn to hackers and hack the site for money, as it was once. someone will say that this was not, I will not agree, the GOOGLE remembers everything.

The answer is:
1. When you give someone 4 sendable merits (sMerits). The one will have more 4 merits, and 2 sendable merits which they can send to others or send them back to you.
2. You can get merits from others and you will also get sMerits which equals 50% of the total merits you received.

Meriting me if you like my thread.

Up until now, I still can't understand all of this. See, I am a Full Member and have a 100 Merit and 4sMerit. What if I gave my sMerit to someone, how can I get sMerit again to be able to merit another member?

You are likely too generous. Your behavior for this guy with two merits donated will motivate lots of other new users like me to contribute good posts to the forum. And of course big motivation to read, learn more for getting as more knowledge as possible in order to be matured enough to has ability for posting high-qualitied ones. Thanks for your thread sgain,.

I'm very disappointed.

1. Absolutely unfair for someone who was 1-2 weeks away to the next rank.

2. I don't see people giving each other merits, why would them? It takes away precious time. I see no way that I would gather even 80 for the next rank.

3. It takes two minutes to a single telegram bounty group to merit each other to the sky. Nonsense.

I have exactly same fillings when it comes to Merit implementation. I don't think the main reason was to improve post quality and if, this should be discussed and tested before full implementation. I just think that this will make more damage as good in this forum. Another tool which could be easily abused.

I have a lot of question and doubts. Still, don't understand why we need these special users " Merit Gods "? Are they under control? Is there any spreadsheet for initial merit distribution? How to become a " merit God"?

I sent you two smerits - which are merits for you and provide you with one smerit to send to someone else at your own discretion.  I provided my rationale in another post, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.29070812


and really the gist of my rationale for giving the two merits is that I did not believe your post to deserve any merit, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt - hoping for some better quality in the future... .perhaps?

Yeah, I don't want to come off as some kind of pedantic, because you can do whatever you want, and you can approach this matter however you want.  A variety of possible approaches:  1) You can attempt to see possible benefits in the system and attempt to work the system to your benefit, 2) you can just go on as if the system did not change or 3) you could focus on the various negatives.

Personally, I believe that employing some variation of 1 or 2 is much more healthy than employing some variation of 3; however, that is completely your choice and up to your individual perspective regarding how you want to proceed.

Thank you, we are waiting for news from Admin and Mods. Our community have to find other forum as Altcoinstalks, Bitcoingarden, Cryptocurrencytalk, etc. However, that is not really convenient.

After the death of the Lending projects, most of our community lost a lot of money and we really need a quality forum to work and learn about crypto. Of course, Bitcointalk is always the best.

For some reason, I think that you and I see things differently, and really I don't mind shocking language or criticism, but sometimes, there is just a need to back up certain kinds of criticisms or to at least build a case for it first.

Furthermore, you are very new to this forum, so it seems way too premature to be coming to really BIG and negative judgements about the new practices of the forum and about your possible participation in it.  There are always going to be butt kissers in any place in life, especially the more that there are ramifications, and that is the way of the real world too (and maybe generally less the way of actual semi-anonymous forums), and I have had jobs in real life in which my colleague butt kissers seem to get ahead in a variety of ways.  Of course, these kinds of realities are NOT fair, but in the end, we have to find strength within ourselves to find a path that does not necessarily sink to that same low level or to let those kinds of real life occurrences drag us down into the mud.  That's my attempted approach at the various unfairnesses of the world regarding preferential treatment.

Even though I don't really agree with the style of the original poster (CryptoChanel), and I don't think that he backed up his various points very well, based on your giving me merit, I have decided to give him two merit points for his earlier post by giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was attempting to provide relevant evidence for his earlier arguments - even though I believe that his points were weak, it is quite possible that he was trying to back up his points with what he concluded to be meaningful and reasonable comparisons.

Regarding you, you are way more new to the forum, and if you attempt to post substantively, and don't become too jaded in your views, you are likely NOT going to have any major difficulties reaching 10 merits, which is enough to achieve regular "member" status; however, if you want to achieve higher statuses, such as full member and senior member and beyond, then you may want to consider ways to back up your posts better, and maybe attempting to see both sides of issues rather than finding so many possible conspiracies and malice rationales in places where they are likely not to exist at the same level that you are ascribing to them.  Good luck and I look forward to reading your future posts.